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#1 riseabovethought

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 11:29 AM

New meaning to hot yoga here.. And yet another place we cannot feel safe.  Now that you can get shot at yoga class (is there a better metaphor for having one's guard down), is there anywhere safe to relax and feel protected?  Truth is when we are in fight or flight- we cannot think clearly.  Our blood flow is concentrated in our skeletal muscles away from the brain.  Now that we are always on the lookout, the collective dumbing down of society will accelerate like never before.  Obviously, we cannot leave it to our main stream media to help us come together and figure out our shit and grow better from it and for it.  So, I think there is a lot to discuss and unpack here, if anyone cares to get into it?  From columbine to sandyhook to the gay nightclub to the country music concert in Vegas, and on and on we go.  Why?? ...And once we understand that, assuming grown ups want progress and a safe world for children to grow up, rather than destruction of humanity, if we really take it seriously and are fully honest about whats happening here, how should we deal with it, personally and collectively?   

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You think mass shootings are happening all the time? They are more frequent, data show

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near the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, S.C. Mass shootings like the one in Charleston have become more common in the U.S. since 2011. (Brendan Smialowski / AFP/Getty Images)
 

If it seems like mass shootings are becoming more common, researchers say there's a good reason: They are.

Between a 2011 shooting at an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, Nev., that left four people dead and the 2013 attack on the Washington Navy Yard where 12 people were killed, a mass shooting occurred somewhere in America once every 64 days, on average.

In the preceding 29 years, such shootings occurred on average every 200 days, according to an analysis by researchers from Harvard University's School of Public Health and Northeastern University.

The study defined a mass shooting as an outbreak of firearms violence in which four or more victims were killed and the shooter was unknown to most of his victims.

Not only are such shootings more common, they have also become more deadly. In the 10-year period that ended with the Washington Navy Yard attack, 285 people died in such events. In the 13 years before that, 151 people perished in mass shootings.

Between Jan. 1, 2015 and July 20, 2015 there have been 203 mass shooting events in which victims were both killed and wounded by gunfire, according to statistics from Mass Shootings Tracker, a Wiki-style site.

That doesn't include the two moviegoers who were killed and nine wounded at the Grand Theatre multiplex in Lafayette La., Thursday night. 

Although the fatalities in mass shootings are dramatic, they are dwarfed by the number of people killed by firearms in attacks that affect one or two victims at a time and largely escape public notice. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that 11,208 people died in homicides involving firearms in the United States in 2013.

Today, American civilians are thought to own as many as 310 million firearms, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. A 2012 report from the Congressional Research Service noted that the number of guns per capita had doubled since 1968.

In street violence as in mass shootings, more powerful guns have also made a difference. An Archives of Surgery study that tracked gunshot wounds in a busy hospital emergency room in Washington found that the average number of gunshot entry wounds per patient rose from 1.44 to 2.04 between 1988 and 1990.

The escalation of wounds per patient was consistent with "a shift in weaponry toward high-capacity semi-automatic handguns," the study authors wrote.

Who are these mass killers? Between 97% and 98% of them are men, according to Columbia University forensic psychiatrist Dr. Michael Stone. Blacks and whites are represented in their ranks roughly proportionate to their percentages in the general population, although Latinos are underrepresented.

While recent mass shootings have prompted calls to keep guns away from those with mental illness, Stone estimated that only about 22% of perpetrators were "deeply mentally ill."

"Many of them are paranoid and disgruntled, and many are sociopaths," he said. Many mass shooters — including Jared Lee Loughner, who killed six in a 2011 Tucson shooting that also wounded then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — may flirt with psychosis through drug and alcohol abuse, Stone added.

Hopelessness is a common factor, as evidenced by the fact that nearly half of those committing mass killings either take their own lives or are killed by the police in the immediate aftermath of the event. Many psychiatrists call that outcome "suicide-by-cop."

Some people, including those opposed to the kinds of gun control measures routinely proposed in the aftermath of mass killings, dispute the claim that such rampages have escalated. Mass shootings are a constant on the American landscape and are more visible thanks to the 24-hour news cycle, they say.

That's not correct, said Stephen Teret, director of the Center for Law and the Public's Health at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

"It's not that they were always occurring and we weren't aware of them," Teret said. "People have been collecting these data for a long time."

But the media attention mass shootings receive can make a difference, particularly if it inspires copycat attacks.

"If each mass shooting increases the risk of the next mass shooting, we need to pay close attention to that," Teret said.

The trend lines may soon look even worse. In 2013, President Obama ordered that the definition of a mass shooting be changed to one in which three or more people are killed. 

By that accounting, more than 300 people died in mass shootings between Jan. 1, 2014, and May 26 this year, according to data from Mass Shootings Tracker.

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Edited by riseabovethought, 03 November 2018 - 11:35 AM.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 11:33 AM

I would suggest not living a moment within hypothetical imaginings.    Be here now.   Someone said that already.    If we can't take in the "news" and remain grounded in the present, maybe we should swear off.   



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Posted 03 November 2018 - 12:06 PM

Jim Jeffries has a pretty good bit about gun control, but lets be honest, this thread and this problem isnt about gun control.  The point isnt that there are too many guns.  The point is there are too many shootings and what is it about us that makes us want to lash out at each other, that makes us hate and want to inflict our control over others, if at least for a moment, turn that fear into hate and anger...meanwhile we are only killing ourselves..For real, not metaphorically.  Its us in there, its anger we can all relate to, if we're honest, but...why?  What is wrong with us?  Why would a species self- destruct?  I think this is how, because its happening on so many different distinct levels, but I just dont know why.   

Here's Jim Jeffries take on it

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 02:09 PM

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:08 PM

I could have thrown a rock and hit the studio, I know all five shot and the two that died...I'm an old combat Marine and I'm PISSED, Friday night..... for the first time in nearly thirty years I locked and loaded...not because I scare easy, but because its time to use my unique skills to keep my family safe.

 

I hate the act of killing, got my personal fill of it over the years....this public anger needs to be addressed.

 

I have PTSD and a Rage Disorder caused by too much combat, not enough support and I'm fully capable of doing intense damage very quickly...yet I smoke a bit of herb and reflect on the sad point I just don't want to be adding to the noise. Calm well trained folks like me have gotten their fill, I can easily see as a society that we not only will remedy this problem....but when we find our voice and strength we are going to stop some of the other nonsense that has become..."the norm".

 

I have said my piece and will not comment further!


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 06:00 PM

Annnnd ...

 

There's another one.  Last night.  In California (again).

 

As a society we've made some mistakes.  Jim makes some valid points - mainly, we just like guns, and they're literally everywhere.

 

And without an oppressive police state, there's no way I can envision to put them back in the box.

 

Flame-Throwers are legal to purchase by anyone over 18 in every state except Maryland . . . Why the fuck would anyone need a flame thrower?

 

I own a variety of firearms and have built a few AR-15s from scratch.  They've like legos for psychopaths - remember fashion plates?  ARs are like that - you can mix and match all the parts to make it 'your own.'  I keep mine locked up - I actually prefer them over "hunting rifles" for harvesting deer, but I only use a 10 round magazine, as a 30 just gets in the way, and you really NEVER need that many shots for ... well, anything.

 

Then there's this dead asshole in CA with a Glock 21 and some super-capacity magazine.  I'm a 2nd amendment guy ... sort of ... but I don't see why anyone would ever need more than 16 shots in a Glock.  You can buy crazy Glock magazines that hold 50 or more rounds.  That crazy fucker in Vegas had a bunch of super-capacity magazines ... where's the logic? 

 

Sadly, identity politics have created a paradigm wherein Republicans have to support all of the NRA's asinine theories, and the Democratic party is too fucking stupid to adopt a semi-moderate stance.  We need gun control in bits and pieces - baby steps - instead, we're moving in the opposite direction.

 

Youth culture glorifies weaponry via video gaming, and if you don't think that's had an effect ... well ...

 

Most folks can play first person shooters without wanting to massacre random civilians, but all it takes is one unbalanced MAN-person with a clean criminal record to make next week's national news feed.

 

The bottom line - for me - is that I like having my guns.  But I don't want anyone else to have the same arsenal.  My collection is a curiosity and is ... vaguely functional, but I could easily go back to my lever-action .30-.30 for harvesting deer. 

 

Sure, dumping a 30 round magazine is sorta fun (and expensive), but now that I have the guns I want, it's time to make sure no one else has the same capacity that I do to inflict insane carnage, because I don't trust anyone else with a high-capacity firearm. 

 

That's why I have several high-capacity firearms.

 

This logical / emotional cycle is why we're where we are as a nation, and it's too late to fix it.  From here on out, I fear we're just gonna have to ride the snake until someone with more fucking sense than me and everyone I know  to drop the iron hand of discipline and DO something.

 

Knowingly Part of the Problem,

 

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 06:23 PM

My issue isnt a second amendment issue, its more a gun is a tool, plain and simple....shovel...is for dirt but will whack the fuck outa someone...its the tool users that have me confounded. My though has always been this, when you have the skills and training on how and when to deploy lethal force, then and only then should you be allowed to own a tool that allows you to use that tool correctly....if your not crazy or a criminal.

 

Wanna own a flame thrower - get certified and keep your licensing up, same with a HK, AK or AR. This is a free country, if you wanna have a small armory and 10,00 rounds of ammo....I do....then i support your right to do whatever the fuck you wanna do as long as it doesn't affect me or the public. No murdering, stealing or raping...but hey if you wanna fuck a goat and smoke opium...thats your gig as long as you keep it to yourself and dont harm or scare or disgust anyone.....thats the only oversight i see that's ever necessary, dumb fucks everywhere man...gun violence is gonna continue, but we can take some positive steps to try and limit it to the best of our power without going way overboard. Nobody talks about shovel violence and i know a shit ton of peeps have gotten the shovel verses the meat cap.

 

I curse because i am a Marine, if its frowned upon i will work to clean up my mouth, no words are ever spoken in anger soli....

 

Just tired of seeing soft targets getting hit, wanna be MAN, go try that shit at a biker bar.....


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 08:45 PM

Your coarse language will never offend me, brother. I've been known to be coarse and off-kilter, language-wise, in my time to say the least  :)

 

For what it's worth, I agree with you 100% - I have a variety of degrees and licenses that allow me to perform a specific group of tasks that are otherwise not available to the general population.

 

The facility in which I was able to assemble a variety of lethal firearms at home with parts gleaned legally from the interwebs was both disturbing and rush-inducing.  I have since gotten over that 'black gun disease,' but the symptoms are still locked up and fully fuctional should an army of rabid deer ever attack me and mine. 

 

I actually have a spot of briar-snarled streambed that would benefit from a flame-thrower at the back acreage, but not enough to warrant the 2K needed to purchase such a destructive device, and ... then what would I do with it?

 

In the meantime, I'm gonna go fuck my goat and smoke some opium.  Maybe once we, as a nation, get over this whole "MJ legalization" craze, we can work on what really matters:

 

Goat Fucking and Opium Smoking  (#GFOS)

 

As for home protection, I have a pump shotgun in the closet, but a hickory axe-handle resting next to the door.  When bumps happen at the night around 3am, I grab the axe-handle first, shotgun second.

 

:)

 

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Posted 08 November 2018 - 09:46 PM

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:02 AM

I have a battle ax that I slap against the palm of my hand as I watch Vikings.

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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:14 AM

Not to diminish any of these tragedies but, as to the op, you're a lot safer in a yoga studio or school or anywhere these tragedies have taken place relative to say, driving in a car - where deaths are magnitudes larger than any of these shootings...except maybe the streets of Chicago.

 

I'm not suggesting it isn't a valid topic of conversation but living your life wondering where the next shots are coming from neglects the proper perspective imho.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:19 AM

We don't have a gun problem, We have a crazy problem. Crazy is over running this country and most of the world.

 

Mankind needs a giant laxative, it's all backed up. Backed up  = toxic

 

Honestly, I think I'd help the man who could take out the TV networks and the internet. Some very ugly people populate both and I point right straight at those vehicles and most of their occupants as the cause and effect of all this toxic Crazy.  ..........present company excluded, of course.


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 12:38 AM

Coming up on four years since I killed my satellite teevee.   I do mostly organic on the internet.  


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:53 AM

I have a battle ax that I slap against the palm of my hand as I watch Vikings.

Is Vikings a porno movie or are you saying you literally have a battle axe?


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 08:36 AM

I cut the cords ten years ago, just internet and a Roku now.....miss Walter Cronkite and the evening news..... the way it should be, just the facts and only the fact from both sides...people arent so much crazy as stupid, we have lowered the bar so much in this country...you know...so everybody gets a effin trophy......so now you have to spoon feed the populace to get them to move / care  / or understand ...  and that has led to this crisis.....a lot of people are dumb as fuck, just like turkeys when it rains they look up and drown.....instead of having sense enough to get out of the rain.....



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Posted 09 November 2018 - 08:47 AM

stupid is one thing.

 

mass murder is quite another.

 

no doubt stupidity rules the day but crazy is on the rise.

 

magma, that's the solution. lots and lots of magma


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 09:09 AM

stupid is one thing.

 

mass murder is quite another.

 

no doubt stupidity rules the day but crazy is on the rise.

 

magma, that's the solution. lots and lots of magma

 

 

Not too hard to whip up stupid to do crazy...and yes....way more crazy these days.....way more whipping too.....

 

I agree, lots of magma....I think it will be a lack or clean water first, or a virus...but magma is a winner too


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 11:19 AM

 

I have a battle ax that I slap against the palm of my hand as I watch Vikings.

Is Vikings a porno movie or are you saying you literally have a battle axe?

 

 

Vikings is a series that the neighbor I share Netflix DVDs with orders.   It is totally violence porno but it will never show a nipple.   It's really a soap opera with lots of real battle axes.  

 

I literally have a battle ax that I inherited when a friend died and left me all her worldlies. 



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Posted 09 November 2018 - 11:47 AM

Damn.  I want a battle ax.   :chucks:


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Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:16 PM

It wasn't a "mass" shooting but there was a shooting in the next town over last night... I knew the guy who was shot in the chest and died. I didn't know him well but he was within a friend who visited me once... People be crazy!!! The grammatical mistake in my post would usually be difficult for me to stomach. I am often a stickler when it comes to using the English language properly. In this case, I feel that "people be crazy" is appropriate... "people are crazy" I associate with the way I am a little nuts.. There is nothing proper where shooting people is concerned... Especially when there is no rational rhyme or reason...






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