It’s nice to have different point of views so the OP doesn’t get locked in to a single method and will continue to look for other possible factors to a solution, like Temps, genetics or even moisture which could easily explain why you may have better results with foil off. If it was to moist it may allow it dried to a better level producing faster growth.
If it’s in a sealed jar or a bag, what difference would it make if it’s in a tote or not? It must be another factor if people can grows in sealed jars. I do believe that’s how the other ideas to the OP was brought up.
The OP discuss’ contamination, incubation and less than desirable temperatures and asks if being in a tote might be the problem. People kindly suggest the idea of not needing GE, thus indicating that is most likely not the issue unless GE is inhibiting other problems. What does your foil side by side offer to the OP for advice? What is your advice?
My advice is there is other issues in the OP’s grow and everyone else’s that may need more GE to get faster growth. Find out where the problem is, because it’s not GE at this stage and foil or tub will only remedy the situation like putting a contaminated cake outside does.
edit: I can do BRF in quarts, pints and bags in a tote. I don’t remember 5th grades science because of my college science used those brain cells. If you want Hippie3 back, I have no problem putting attitudes in check Hippie3 style! Don’t make a good conversation about your fucking pussy being hurt! Hippie3 would have banned you again without even a warning!
You're 100% right it's not FAE...its GE. Completely different concepts.
The co2 is able to escape due to something known as diffusion. It's the same concept as positive and negative pressure except you're dealing with proportions of gas, in turn creating convection. The heat generated by the mycelium also help this process, bc as you know, heat, and air with it, rise! Allowing GE Aka Gas exchange in this instance. Which cannot happen in a closed system bc fungus breathe oxygen.
I'm simplifying, but am I the only one who remembers 5th grade science class?
Shake your grains all you want, they wont grow without oxygen no matter how many points of innoculation you have.
And yes, there would be some oxygen in a closed system, but it's like putting a person in a plastic bubble. He will be fine for a while, hrs, maybe even days will pass before all the oxygen will be gone, but that person WILL die, just like a tall half pint. Flip it to allow oxygen in, and it will start to grow again.
If you're not familiar with the tall half pint stalling problem, I dont believe you when you say you use them. It's a commonality that even PF noted in the beginning of the tek, and an idea that been reinforced and proven again and again. Search the vaults you'll see.
This is why you dont see people making quart jars of brf...they stall or contam before they colonize. I cant imagine this not happening on a larger scale. I no longer put my jars in totes for this reason exactly. I noticed everything in it was slower than all my bags and jars that were simply on a shelf or in a box with an open top.
I wish Hippie was here. He would know exactly what to say due to all of his invitro research and would better know how to explain it. The guy had a way with words.
But like I said, drill or cut a couple holes in the tote, clean it, and none of the factors mentioned will be a problem.
Edited by coorsmikey, 08 December 2018 - 12:02 AM.