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#21 SteampunkScientist

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:35 AM

Yeah, I think we all came to that conclusion... It looks like religious BS snuck in under the recycled rubric of " it saps your energy boy!"

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Posted 23 February 2019 - 11:16 PM

LOL, this has been the battle of the ages and females are included... too much vibrator use makes it harder for a female to cum and with a guy no practice holding off making sure the female is taken care off no holding power... it is all in the practice <eg>


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 11:15 AM

Practice makes perfect!  :tongue:


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Posted 24 February 2019 - 01:05 PM

!  !  ! WHAT .! ! ! THERE'S FREE PORN  ! ! ! ON THE INTERNET   ! ! !

 

 

I HAD NO IDEA !


Edited by bezevo, 24 February 2019 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 01:18 PM

It's all too much work.   I prefer, at my age, that everyone just do their own. 


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 09:14 AM

-rubs hands together-

Additionally, keep in mind: when you know little about a subject someone knows a little bit more than you can sound like they know a lot about a subject. This is (so far as I can tell) how people like Jordan Peterson exerts their thrall over people. Literally everything that comes out of the man's mouth is nonsense (or has just a glimmer of truth) but its wrapped up in fancy words and a rhetorical labyrinth so it is hard for people to see through his bullshit.

The role model for being a man in the West is literally built on top of ignoring your problems, behaving/living your life in a very narrowly proscribed way, and gate keeping others from playing with your toys. Its garbage. It should be burnt to the ground. I think just about everyone knows the foundation is crumbling on some level but so many don't want to look it in the face or they go the complete opposite direction and throw their lot in with the fascist in order to protect the garbage.

I know you said you don't have the time or energy to fully go into this subject but I find Jordan Peterson's material fascinating and truly inspiring so I would be interested to read your critique of his work and the hugely positive impact he is having on young men (in particular) and women today.

 

Regarding the burning to the ground of western society as it stands, what happens in the interim with the masses who vehemently hold steadfast to the promises offered by our current way of life? Do they just wake up on Monday morning and happily step into the new paradigm?

 

Colour me curious as I have a hard time believing the 9-5 tow the line to climb the career ladder and bow to the authorities ethos which permeates the west but at the same time I appreciate I am firmly in the minority and would not want the immense angst I suffer to be thrust upon others who are quite happy to play the normie game of life and reap its rewards.



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Posted 12 May 2019 - 09:45 AM

From what I have heard from Jordan Peterson's videos and debates (with people like Sam Harris) he does have some interesting ideas, and, unfortunately, a lot of conjecture and outright crap (ex: ancient drawings of snakes intertwined show that our distant ancestors knew about DNA.... Uh, yeah right.).

One minute Google on "how snakes mate" would have dispelled that conjecture. Or perhaps an investigation on "ancient electron microscopes used in molecular analysis...."

Anyway, I digress, my point is, ask the questions: "Does this person have a book to sell?" That in itself doesn't make something false, but it does indicate possible motivation. "Is this person pursuing popularity?" Again, not an inditement, but a possible motivation.

Every action we take is motivated by something - getting at the Truth is hopefully the main motivation.

Edited by SteampunkScientist, 12 May 2019 - 09:45 AM.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 10:19 AM

When I mentioned Rachel Maddow's ten million dollars a year to my neighbor the other day, she called me cynical. 



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Posted 12 May 2019 - 04:39 PM

Rachel, or the neighbor? Ha!

I suppose ten million dollars is what Rachel will sell her "soul" for. Most settle for much less.

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Posted 12 May 2019 - 05:18 PM

Since it's 10 mil a year, instead of a one time fixed amount, does that mean that she is only renting her soul....?
 


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Posted 12 May 2019 - 07:33 PM

I suppose she is! ;P
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Posted 14 May 2019 - 03:00 PM

I don't know how many of you have heard of the new movement called "NoFap" - you, it's exactly what you think it is (well, for males anyway - not sure if there is an equivalent for Females).

The idea is that "fapping" and porn addiction, which is considered to affect as many as 87% (or more) of men due to the availability of high speed internet (Not you Alder  :tongue:  ) are addicted to porn and masturbation.

This causes lowering of dopamine over the long term, and changes to the brain that make it more difficult to...ah... "keep the tree stable" if you get my meaning... during sex, and has led to the widespread condition of Erectile Disfunction in younger and younger men.

It also causes many social interaction disfunctions, depression, and a host of other mental and physical maladies.

So... now there is a movement called "NoFap" that is trying to "Reboot" the brain. That is it in a nutshell, google for more information.

But we here at Mycotopia know all about rebooting the brain! So I thought I would throw out this somewhat sensitive topic and ask what everyone thinks of incorporating our sacraments as yet another means of dealing with issues such as this.

I wont be surprised however, if this post gets read a lot, but not replied to.  I get it, it is a sensitive and perhaps even embarrassing topic, but one I think merits some serious thought.

 

It's not the fappin', it's the porn.

 

And it's not even the porn; it's the reckless and undisciplined consumption of it that can cause such problems, just like with any mind-altering substance (or content, as it were).



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 03:02 PM

I know you said you don't have the time or energy to fully go into this subject but I find Jordan Peterson's material fascinating and truly inspiring so I would be interested to read your critique of his work and the hugely positive impact he is having on young men (in particular) and women today.
 

I don't have such a critique of his work, but I found this one rather interesting and entertaining (and eloquent):

 

[Direct Link]

 

 


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Posted 14 May 2019 - 06:02 PM

Masturbation → bloodstream endorphins → less depression.


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Posted 15 May 2019 - 03:54 AM

Masturbation → bloodstream endorphins → less depression.


The philosopher Diogenes, on being upbraided for jerking off in the middle of the town square, responded by saying "if only I could satisfy my hunger as easily by rubbing my tummy".
I think we always have to make deals between our animal selves and our social/cultural selves, not that it is always clear which is which. I think fighting any one corner in favour of the other results in neurosis.
Allow the filth. Allow the purity.

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 10:26 AM

 

I know you said you don't have the time or energy to fully go into this subject but I find Jordan Peterson's material fascinating and truly inspiring so I would be interested to read your critique of his work and the hugely positive impact he is having on young men (in particular) and women today.
 

I don't have such a critique of his work, but I found this one rather interesting and entertaining (and eloquent):

 

 

 

Three enthusiastic thumbs up!   I think I'm in love!


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Posted 27 May 2019 - 01:49 PM

i got some good laughs here...i thought the no fap movement was staxrted by the heavens gate cult guys that went to mexico and paid a veterninarian $60 to castrate them, after the first 6 he refused to do more and no fap was born. now i wonder if no fap cold of been plagerized from frankie goes to hollywood's - relax don't do it. when you want to come oh oh oh
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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:37 AM

. Typically, sex is a sign of health, but if we stop having it on the regular, can we really lose it if we don’t use it?
The short answer is “yes.”
Sex is like a muscle; if you don’t exercise it, it’s gone. As April Masini, relationship expert and author, explains, the incidence and frequency of sex revives our sexual health.
"The more often you have sex, the more confident you become about having it — both your own ability and the ability of the relationships in which you’re having the sex," she told Medical Daily in an email. So, in a way, that confidence and the strength of the relationship will make it so that sex can "take care of itself."

Dr. Fran Walfish, Beverly Hills psychotherapist, author of The Self-Aware Parent, and expert panelist on WE TV’s Sex Box emphasizes the importance of stimulation to keep things functioning. Age, she says, can put men at risk for performing sexually, such as premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction. Erections help maintain the health of the nerves of the penis, and this habit can ward off erectile dysfunction, a condition marked by occasional erections, not lasting long enough for sex, or the inability to achieve one at all.

https://www.medicald...l-health-329366

doing some research into getting more led me to this article and many more like it. experience confirms it.

maybe the nofap movement hopes to boost viagra sales...... 

nofap might be likened to training for a marathon by sitting on a couch snacking while watching tv

Edited by Heirloom , 06 June 2019 - 02:53 AM.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 12:28 PM

F that!!! I'll respond the shit out of this thread!!

 

"No Fap" is going to lead to more water usage, a spike in laundry detergent sales and stock, sleep aids, and a spike in teenagers embarrassed to hand laundry over to their mothers!!!

 

There is a trade off to everything... Mental health may be impacted in other ways as soiled sheets due to wet dreams increase...

 

I would like to see the correlation plotted on a graph... Anyone care to do this research and report back?

 

:biggrin:  :tongue:  :cool:  :ohmy:

 

 

I can give you some info here PJammer, but have no double blind tests, hard data or plots for you. n=1.

Though, a function regarding soiled sheets might look something like this:

 

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(I notice I say 'you' lot in my following piece, but I am not really talking about you PJ. Just so you  know.)

 

 

Like quitting any habit that has your focus, or better said fictation, when you quit you will dream about it as long as you are fixated on it (assuming you quit drinking or smoking weed everyday, which makes you stop dreaming in most cases) - so in a sense you are correct that it will increase wet dreams and wet underpants for mommies to wash. Teenagers are fixated, they can't really help it with all their newly formed hormonal development and seeming expectations of their friends and society.

 

 

When I have quit smoking or drinking, when I was fixated, that reflected in my dreams. The same goes for fapping and porn, or any fixation one might have. The believe you need it, that fixation makes it so - the subconscious will give you what you think you need or want..

 

A feeling of shame connected to it might increase the fixation, as might be the case when there is some religious doctrine connected to it, or when fear comes to play regarding the 'harmful effects' of your habit(s).

It is therefore a bit of paradox to make a movement out of it. The fixation will increase when you are counting your days sober or counting your days abstaining from porn and 'fapping'. It doesn't help at all and you are doomed, if you believe in that kind of thing, to return to your old patterns.

 

 

I can attest to this through experience, I have quit many habits several times. Though, the fixation will subside and go away eventually if you practice restraint from any habit. How long that will take to loose that fixation, or how many times you will have to fail before you succeed to lose that fixation, differs from case to case depending on your beliefs and severety of your fixations..

 

It is however not a permanent state - so over time your dreams are back to normal and those wet dreams may be only an occasional thing, and only a way for your body to remain healthy and clean out the pipes so to speak. When the fixation has gone away, sexy dreams might have a different load than before, without the load.

Sometimes I also still dream about drinking or weed for example but it doesn't trigger the same things anymore, like any other dream they have become indifferent to me.

 

 

 

Like any habit, especially if several habits/problems are mixed up together it can be helpful to quit full stop to see how that might influence you or how the habit might have influenced you - you might find out you didn't need it as much as you thought you did, if at all. Doesn't mean you shouldn't, but It can help to see that you needn't, so as not to identify with it anymore. That can be valuable in itself.

 

Like said before in this topic you might also find out it is not the core issue and that there are some other things to deal with you had not noticed before because you were so busy drinking, fapping, snorting coke, gaming, drinking and eating (pussy). Only when you get rid of some of the things that stand in the way of realizing that, you can do something about it - and to have a few less fixations at that point helps you getting on with it.

 

 

So I'm not really into the movement but there is no need to deem it silly or stupid to restrain from these 'problematic habits' they call addictions. I don't like the word addiction by the way, it is such a final term, gives no freedom to change it, keeps people imprisoned. Just like many other factors involving this movement, the focus on the problem is a problem in itself.

 

 

Back to you PJ:

I have read you saying that you try to be true to yourself. Some people might be acting on this when quitting this or any other habit.


Edited by RutgerHauer, 14 December 2019 - 12:30 PM.


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Posted 14 December 2019 - 04:55 PM

If you notice an issue with your habits and notice that you benefit from adjusting those habits, it's cool with me. 

 

I recall watching the movie Shame (2011) which I think hits on some of the issues that might develop around sexuality. 

 

No one size fits all argument here. 

 

 

As for NoFap and it's pairing with mushrooms, I've got no opinion. 






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