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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:52 PM

Here are the weight #'s; pre/post/#added for each cake.
(B+) 87.5/132.9/45.4
(BM) 82.6/130.1/47.5
(Men) 100.2/148/47.8
(Cam)92.5/148.2/55.7
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I didnt do a good job of explaining myself when i posted this, so let me elaborate.  i dunked the 4 cakes in my fridge for about 22 hrs.  I recorded their weight both before and after, with the third # being weight in grams gained.  I decided not to roll this time, however I think I will after 2nd dunk. 

Here they are 2 days old.

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This is a change of plans fruiting chamber.  Help settle a little dispute between my pretty little wife/partner/co-conspirator and myself.  She handles the back end, dunking is where the baton gets past.  On the first grow, she took my design of a few 5/8" holes, evenly spaced, alternating high and low fruiting chamber and turned it into Swiss cheese.  According to her, they picked up the pace from that moment on.  Is it strictly preference?  There is a great conversation on oxygen levels/size/potency going on in D24's thread here

https://mycotopia.ne...gro-experiment/#

The entire thread is worth a read, but this topic starts abround the last part of pg. 5. 

Here's where I am on it.  Im not sold that neither mine or hers would alter the fae substantially. 

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:59 PM

4 WEEKS IN

With my two cakes smashed into crumbs, I got out the wbs quart jars. I was a little nervous about some of them because of how dry they looked.  There were 5 that looked better than the rest, so I just upped the ratio of cake/grain quite a bit from the tek linked earlier in this thread.  The way I understand it is I could get the same amount of wbs colonized by 1/2 a cake, so while this was a little wasteful, it will expedite the process.  I failed to make them the same strain, I spaced off that part, so I split a Menace cake into 3 jars, and a Cambodia cake into 2.

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Lets see whats happening down the hall...

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I smashed 4 cakes up in a ziploc bag in the same manner as above, a B+, a Blue Meanie, and 2 Cambodians in 3 bags, respectively.  Here is where I truely realized the advantage of cake2grain, G2G prety much.  Not wanting to go over a 3:1 ratio sub/spawn, even these little tubs left my depth just at 2" when I used the bag with 2 cakes.  They measured out at 3/4 of a cup each, so thats only 4 1/2 cups of sub.  After I mixed them up and spread it out evenly, I placed a very thin layer of sub covering the sub/spawn mix.  As for the tub itself, I drilled a hole at each end and two in the lid, all stuffed with polyfil.

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Improvising, I used the plastic to keep the last two cake mixes separate. If given their own tub, they would be spread too thin, (a great song though 

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:19 AM

BIG PROBLEM WITH CAKES! There are no visible signs on the cakes, but it smells horrid inside the chamber, just horrible.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:27 AM

Okay, so with gloves and alcohol, we removed each one individually, and found the culprit, one of them stinks, and the others do not. He has been bagged. The others have been set aside, and I am rinsing some new perlite for a new FC all together.
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Posted 13 February 2019 - 03:05 PM

3 days into the cake2grain, and here's how they look. I should definitely give them a good shake right?IMG_20190213_135918.jpg

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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:01 PM

They look to be doing fine!
I wouldn't disturb them.


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 10:50 PM

They look to be doing fine!
I wouldn't disturb them.


Okay, so is there a time during this process that I will want to shake them, prior to when finished and spawning them to my substrate?

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:37 AM

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3:1 ratio sub/spawn.  After I mixed them up and spread it out evenly, I placed a very thin layer of sub covering the sub/spawn mix.  As for the tub itself, I drilled a hole at each end and two in the lid, all stuffed with polyfil.

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Improvising, I used the plastic to keep the last two cake mixes separate. If given their own tub, they would be spread too thin...

 

FAST FORWARD 3 DAYS

 

After seeing more pics of tubs after spawning, before fruiting, I decided mine needed a couple more holes (and maybe it also gave me the excuse to look inside for the first time).  Given my unorthodox timeline (putting it nicely) I thought it be wise to post some pics w/ questions about their appearance.

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My questions are (1) the pic of the corner, please tell me to stop being paranoid that it is just super fluffy myc, and (2) When does condensation become a problem?  Not sure how well you can see the amount on the lid in that pic, but it has quite a bit of water on it.  A follow up question would be, if I am past the acceptable amount, what should I do, if anything to dial it back in.

 


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 12:45 AM

I have a casing question also.  I had planned on doing a late casing, but just found this...

A reintroduction and the method of "Laymix" or "laymixing"
https://mycotopia.ne...xing/?hl=laymix
So basically all my contributions as far as grows goes, they're already said and done and there won't be more, BUT I still have ideas now and then and right before I had to stop growing I was working on things like late casing (which I know didn't go over well here, but I don't think it's a method to do in every situation... it worked well with my bulk prep method because I layered my tubs and I think the way the top fruiting surface works when layered, late casing is most beneficial; which would mean people trying it with regular mixed substrates probably wouldn't see the results I did) late casing is still used over at other websites, but usually in instances where a person doesn't normally use a casing, but lives in a dry climate, so they find it useful to help stave off evaporation from the fruiting surface..

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Since I mixed my spawn/substrate and didnt layer, should I avoid casing all together?



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 07:28 AM

Those are looking good!
The fluffy one is probably just related to the luck of the draw on muti-spore.
The condensation is a good sign of moisture content and you don't really want dripping so maybe lean the lid and drain it.



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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:01 AM

Those are looking good!
The fluffy one is probably just related to the luck of the draw on muti-spore.
The condensation is a good sign of moisture content and you don't really want dripping so maybe lean the lid and drain it.


Do u mean I should, with the lid on, tip it on end to drain water out of it? And what about casing? If it were you, seeing where I'm at and the condition it's in, would you do a "late casing"? I have plenty of verm I could PC. The remaining substrate that I made 5 days ago I still have quite a bit of. It's been kept in a Rubbermaid tub with lid on at about 40-50°. How long can I use, or throw it and get more

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 08:18 PM

I would just run with it at this point as far as casing goes.
I was referring to the moisture on the lid. Give it a shake so you don't have water dripping down.

If there is no standing water in the bottom you are good to go.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 08:58 PM

I would just run with it at this point as far as casing goes.
I was referring to the moisture on the lid. Give it a shake so you don't have water dripping down.
If there is no standing water in the bottom you are good to go.


Very well, what about this substrate I still have from a few days ago, it's hpoo, verm, OMG, and worm castings. Can I pasteurize a substrate more than once?

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Posted Yesterday, 06:23 AM

If it was contained you can probably still use it after 2-3 days.

 

A second round on pasteurization  is not a problem.


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Posted Today, 12:12 AM

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Kinda concerned with these cakes. Tossed the foul smelling one a few days ago, and out of concern for contams, went with the BB Tek method with a layer of bleach water under the perlite, and I've questioned the decision from the start. I had to get permission to even get some bleach, as we do not keep any around because of it's harmful, poisonous nature. Anyhow, for some reason or another they don't look good. Would it behoove me to turn them into a tray, such as the Hongus Tek Hippie3 reposted in the archives?

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Posted Today, 06:14 AM

Alright, with 2 of the cakes we crumbled them up, sandwiched that with a 1" layer of moist verm on bottom, and a 1/4"-1/2" on top in a 6qt tub, called a shoebox I believe.  Its put away and onto bigger things, like the 5 qt jars, and they look like this;

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I shook once, a couple days ago.  Right before Roc posted to let em be!  I have since then Roc, honest.  These are surely ready for spawning, yes? Or no? Impatient? Yes, I know...



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Posted Today, 07:27 AM

Spawn away!
They look perfect for spawn.






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