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#1 aqudoc

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Posted 02 February 2019 - 06:22 PM

I started this grow from a trade w/ mushinist (stand up fellow, good on his word, would trade w/ him anytime).  I (over) noc'd 4 rye grain jars on 12/18 b/c noob  :blush:   & set them in a TnT inc. @ 80 degrees.

 

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On 1/7 they were fully colonized and I transferred them to 6Q shoebox tubs and back into the inc.  

 

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On 1/17 I pulled the tubs and 1 tam'd out.  I set them up as dubtubs in front of ambient windows fan/mist 3-4xpd.  While waiting I started work on a fully automated Martha GH

 

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By 1/25 there were still no pins and one of the three remaining tubs started showing a lot of myc coming through the casing and then discoloration.  By 1/27 it was toast

 

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Not sure where my problem lay, started to freak and decided the GH untested was @ least as safe as leaving those last two tubs in a tam environment so in they went.

 

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While they wewre acclimating to the new digs I started taking apart my grow station in the window and the TnT and found the issue.  We have very hard water w/ high mineral content and even w/ bleach added to the water it was an aquatic ecosystem in there.  Dragged it all out of the house, spent the rest of the afternoon washing down the grow room.

 

This is from today

 

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Hopefully i post more in the coming days.

 

Have a great weekend good people! :biggrin:


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Posted 02 February 2019 - 07:43 PM

Wonderful job aqudoc! Can't wait to see the Martha full of mush!
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Posted 03 February 2019 - 01:37 PM

Detail on this grow if in anyone is inspired:

 

Substrate - Coir/coffee grounds @ 1Q grain:3Q sub

Casing - 50/50+ Cased on 1/17

Gh settings - Rh 90 +/-  Temp 71+/-  Light 12/12 Exhaust fan 3min. every hour, internal fan kicks on when mister activates

 

I'm in the PNW so YMMV

 

Happy Sunday!   :happy:


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 02:50 PM

Yup I am inspired! Thanks for adding your GH specs also, I am setting mine up at the moment and it is really handy to able to see what everyone else is doing. And it looks like it is working really well for you so far, I have heard good things about that strain. Looking forward to watching this one :thumbs_up:


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 06:09 PM

Yup I am inspired! Thanks for adding your GH specs also, I am setting mine up at the moment and it is really handy to able to see what everyone else is doing. And it looks like it is working really well for you so far, I have heard good things about that strain. Looking forward to watching this one :thumbs_up:

Good luck on your build PistolPete13, good to see you here @ topia.  Per a mentor I have my mist dial set at halfway


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Posted 03 February 2019 - 06:20 PM

Just watching some grow vids on the youtubes and a guy said pins generally double in size every 24 hrs & I did not know this so I went to check and I think that's a reasonable claim, so here's some pin porn incl. the other tub in there, it's about a day behind the first

 

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 12:44 AM

TnTs freak me out. Warm stagnant water seems sketchy to me.

Love the pins, good job :-)
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 03:35 PM

TnTs freak me out. Warm stagnant water seems sketchy to me.

Love the pins, good job :-)

 

TnTs freak me out. Warm stagnant water seems sketchy to me.

Love the pins, good job :-)

Thanks PinkMenace!  It's a learning curve for me for sure.  I needed a way to get temps up and it was cheap and easy. 

 

Now I'm loving my Martha and waiting for materials to build another. 

 

They're so much more versatile for handling different types and stages of grow needs. :thumbs_up2:



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Posted 05 February 2019 - 12:01 PM

Woke to the first snow of the season and - 

 

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tub 2 catching  up

 

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Today marks the Lunar New Year so Happy 2019 Year of the Golden Earth Pig!  (The golden pig only comes around every 60 years so this will be a especially great year).  

 

   


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:11 PM

Looks like harvest first flush after work today.  I'll dehydrate overnight and post results.  Happy hump day good people!

 

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 12:20 PM

Just to comment on something you said in your first post...

 

If you pasteurize properly and the grain is fully colonized, you don't really have to worry about the sterility of the environment until the substrate has fruited a couple flushes and begins to weaken... The pasteurization makes the sub resistant to contamination long enough for healthy spawn to finish its run... Once fully colonized, you shouldn't have contamination issues until the substrate is aging...

 

I used a high spawn to substrate ration... 1:1... for a few reasons... It colonizes faster, there are more nutrients available for them to fruit from, and because the mycelium remains strong and healthy longer when you use more spawn lessening the contamination risk...

 

I think the third reason is the most valuable... Using spawn in a 1:1 ratio with the substrate would probably allow me to go 4-5 flushes without contamination but I don't typically test that... The longer the mycelium remains healthy, the longer it will maintain its resistance to contamination... keeping the PH up and maintaining basic or close to basic state will also ward of contaminates which prefer acidic environments...

 

Nice phatty KSSS!!


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 03:34 PM

Just to comment on something you said in your first post...

 

If you pasteurize properly and the grain is fully colonized, you don't really have to worry about the sterility of the environment until the substrate has fruited a couple flushes and begins to weaken...

 

Nice phatty KSSS!!

Thanks for the advice PJammer.  In fact, I sterilize my sub in PC and I think the grain was fully colonized, you can re-check the pics.  I was disheartened to see the one tub come out of the TnT tam'd b/c that also happened on my previous maiden dubtub grow.  I'm total noob and certainly not disagreeing w/ you, I was just disgusted to see the growth in that inc and will not go back to TnT, but I'm not advocating anyone else abandon the idea, it's just the only thing I could readily attribute to the inc. tam.  Once out of the inc, who knows :unsure: again noob, I dried out my first PF cakes and tam'd after second flush, I may well have not misted enough and the tub dried, weakened and tam'd.  I've been told by another mentor that he generally does a 1:1 ratio, but for the reason that if he gets a tam he doesn't lose all that sub lol!  I will continue experimenting, appreciate your taking the time to comment and thanks for the compliment on my mush



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 04:15 PM

Sterilized sub contaminates easy. With a sterilized substrate the entire process has to be sterile. Actually pretty hard to manage.
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Posted 06 February 2019 - 04:21 PM

 

Just to comment on something you said in your first post...

 

If you pasteurize properly and the grain is fully colonized, you don't really have to worry about the sterility of the environment until the substrate has fruited a couple flushes and begins to weaken...

 

Nice phatty KSSS!!

Thanks for the advice PJammer.  In fact, I sterilize my sub in PC and I think the grain was fully colonized, you can re-check the pics.  I was disheartened to see the one tub come out of the TnT tam'd b/c that also happened on my previous maiden dubtub grow.  I'm total noob and certainly not disagreeing w/ you, I was just disgusted to see the growth in that inc and will not go back to TnT, but I'm not advocating anyone else abandon the idea, it's just the only thing I could readily attribute to the inc. tam.  Once out of the inc, who knows :unsure: again noob, I dried out my first PF cakes and tam'd after second flush, I may well have not misted enough and the tub dried, weakened and tam'd.  I've been told by another mentor that he generally does a 1:1 ratio, but for the reason that if he gets a tam he doesn't lose all that sub lol!  I will continue experimenting, appreciate your taking the time to comment and thanks for the compliment on my mush

 

 

Sterilization and pasteurization are two different things. Pasteurization leaves beneficial microbes alive while sterilization kills everything. If you mean that you pasteurized your sub, on the stove, with the PC, filled with water... That makes sense... 

 

As JK says above, sterilized substrate contams easily while pasteurized substrate does not..

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 04:55 PM

Sterilized sub contaminates easy. With a sterilized substrate the entire process has to be sterile. Actually pretty hard to manage.

 

 

 

 

Just to comment on something you said in your first post...

 

If you pasteurize properly and the grain is fully colonized, you don't really have to worry about the sterility of the environment until the substrate has fruited a couple flushes and begins to weaken...

 

Nice phatty KSSS!!

Thanks for the advice PJammer.  In fact, I sterilize my sub in PC and I think the grain was fully colonized, you can re-check the pics.  I was disheartened to see the one tub come out of the TnT tam'd b/c that also happened on my previous maiden dubtub grow.  I'm total noob and certainly not disagreeing w/ you, I was just disgusted to see the growth in that inc and will not go back to TnT, but I'm not advocating anyone else abandon the idea, it's just the only thing I could readily attribute to the inc. tam.  Once out of the inc, who knows :unsure: again noob, I dried out my first PF cakes and tam'd after second flush, I may well have not misted enough and the tub dried, weakened and tam'd.  I've been told by another mentor that he generally does a 1:1 ratio, but for the reason that if he gets a tam he doesn't lose all that sub lol!  I will continue experimenting, appreciate your taking the time to comment and thanks for the compliment on my mush

 

 

Sterilization and pasteurization are two different things. Pasteurization leaves beneficial microbes alive while sterilization kills everything. If you mean that you pasteurized your sub, on the stove, with the PC, filled with water... That makes sense... 

 

As JK says above, sterilized substrate contams easily while pasteurized substrate does not..

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Sterilization and pasteurization are two different things.  I knew this

 

Pasteurization leaves beneficial microbes alive.  I did NOT know this lol.  I need to read up on sub pasteurization.  Thank you both!


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:57 PM

First flush harvest last night

 

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Almost Friday, stay warm.

 

 


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 07:26 PM

Dude, for KSSS you killed it. Like blew it out of the park. That strain is hot garbage usually. Good fruits. Nice work.


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 07:57 PM

Agreed. That's the strain that made me want to stay away from the Asian strains for good. I always had a hard time with them like 10 yrs ago.

Nice fruits, I was never able to get a nice flush.
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Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:04 AM

Credit to a good mentor   :meditate:



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Posted 16 February 2019 - 09:14 AM

Just catching this log you’ve got here Aqu . Nice harvest bro. I know there’s all sorts of different opinions on subs, but I say...KILL ‘EM ALL !!!
About the only time I’ve had fails due to contamination,it was with pasteurization attempts.
Sterilization has been extremely good to me.
I keep it simple with Distilled water in all sub prep,(it’s cheap enough) and add 3/8tsp of hydrated lime to each quart of composted cow manure I use. I easily go 3-4 flushes deep, if I so desire.And once went 6 deep with a MoosePoo based substrate.
Zero need for ph meters here . They are useless and a waste of money imo
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