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#1 DaveyJonez

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:31 AM

I often find myself worrying about my sanity when I take high doses of mushrooms.. I always think I'm going to get stuck in swirling confusion or whatever.. My question Is; is it possible to slowly break down your sanity? .. I kept getting stuck on the thought that I'm playing with my sanity here and who knows the next time could be the time that you break.. Anyway in your experience has anyone ever been relatively vetted in psychedelics and gone crazy?
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Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:32 PM

Your mind can indeed be broken I think. Especially if you have underlying psychological issues in the first place. However for most people I think it's a healthy and positive thing to dabble in occasionally. For myself it seems to be important to my psychological health to do so a couple of times a year or so. Kind of like taking a vacation without actually going anywhere. 

 

There are some personality types that will just not do as well tripping. If you have control issues or bad anxiety, these things are probably best left alone. Even if you tend to overthink and obsess over things also. That being said I have never personally known anyone who has had bad long term effects from dosing. Only a couple times in my life seen anyone have a seriously bad trip either, but those couple of times... damn man that must really suck. 

 

There have been cases of people who trip all the time and screw up their serotonin levels and supposedly get stuck in a lifelong trip. I am personally kind of skeptical of that syndrome, and tend to think those people were already fundamentally abnormal in the first place and the drugs just gave them a focus point to blame it on. 


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#3 mushit

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 05:17 PM

I think they bring you closer to sanity.

But that's just me.


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 06:20 PM

I've known a few people gone crazy from different substances, but in every case the seed of crazy was there to begin with, and very evidently so.
The fear that you're going crazy is the essence of sanity in my opinion. It's unpleasant for sure, but it means your ego is good and strong.
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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:10 AM

I have completely lost my sanity once on an extremely high dose of a not to be named designer psychedelic/amphetamine. It freaked me out first, but eventually I found my way back once the dose wore off - connection to ego and rational mind was restored, but with a huge new connection to my subconscious mind that had spilled out so heavily. Took a good part of a year not tripping to get hold on that experience..

In my case, physical trauma would have been worse if they hadn't rushed me to the hospital and rehydrate me in ER. The ampethamine part of the drug is dangerous in that regard.

Never had issues with shrooms, though I can understand your thought patterns. I think the fear of losing your mind is a fear of your ego letting go - giving you every excuse to not let go. Until you do it is hell and insanity, after release there is calm, peace and bliss.

A friend of mine thinks a lot to keep hold of his ego. I do not share that experience, and get into a state of abstracted thinking.

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 02:48 PM

I've done a lot of psychedelics and ive never gone crazy yet but i guess i just want to know if its possible to go crazy over time?



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:23 PM

Look up Sir Albert Hoffman.

He was the scientist that first synthesized LSD.

He took acid for 20 years straight to try to prove to the government that it was totally safe to use for psychological uses.

The last time he took it was when he was 96 years old!!  He lived to be 102.


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 08:38 PM

     I've done a lot of psychedelics and ive never gone crazy yet but i guess i just want to know if its possible to go crazy over time?

I've seen some pretty damn crazy people that have never taken a psychedelic and probably never should. I've seen Crazy people take psychedelics and freak the fuck out. That aside, I see a lot of people that I think are crazy because they are closeminded that definitely could use some enlightenment. Maybe those people see me as crazy but, I generally find myself attracted to other likeminded psychonauts over people that have never tried psychedelics. Personally, I have witnessed more people lose their mind on bad lifestyles, Bad drugs like meth, Toxic relationships than I saw folk using psychedelics in proper proportions. Anything can be abused and have detrimental effects, It about being responsible and taking care of your mind and body if your sanity is in question.

 

I have also encountered some of my most sane moments in the insane places, Sanity within.........

"Sometimes you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right!"

 

Back in my days of youth, During a wild trip I would think "Oh shit, what if I never come out of this? What if I was stuck like forever? Wait, would that even be a bad thing?" Then I realized that every trip I take DOES stay with me. I just make sense of the less colorful reality more clearly when I came down. Its all practice to get me ready for the "Eternal Trip" when that time arrives. At least when that time arrives, I will have some experience and not the Total Newb and start off with maybe a Coach position in to help the newbs transition there.  :tinfoil:  :meditate:  :wacko:  :victorious:


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 09:21 PM

The real "eternal trip" is always NOW!   THEN is a story we only imagine.  If it's in time, it's not real.   When we start to wonder if, or fear we will never get back, notice that we don't ever really get back.   Every instant is its own.   What's that old bumper sticker joke?  Reality is for people who can't handle drugs.   Psychedelics can bring us to now, but we come down and look to our stories of then for some sensation of security.   But the truth is, there is no stability in our worlds.  They are forever in change.   Only that moment of awareness of now has always been the same.  It's the seeing of the changing landscape that has been the constant. 


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 01:10 AM

What's the real content of having everything? It seems to me that it's the thought, "I have everything." 

 

I suppose that makes life look a little weird, eh? The real content of being anything is the thought "I am something." 

 

Something I'm pondering tonight!


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 01:13 AM

As for insanity, I wouldn't worry too much. I suspect that when, and if, you go insane you won't know it. Your insanity will take form as your new sanity, even if that sanity is something wholly otherworldly. 


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 01:44 AM

Alderlogs my friend, that paragraph should be used to memorialize you brother. It should be in your signature. One of the most beautifully articulate string of words I have ever read strung together my friend and is my root belief in a nutshell. As always, well spoken my friend. 


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 03:49 PM

The real content of being anything is the thought "I am something." 

 

Something I'm pondering tonight!

 

That thought is the identified mind claiming some bit of what's seen by way of its attention and interest.    My meat puppet still has its habitual grooves.   That's what meat puppets do.   The awareness observes all, even that idea of a something which thinks itself to be something which has the interests.  When we can start pondering all the strange activities associated with our having been conditioned into some idea of being an individual, and see from an awareness that is unmixed with such an idea, with all its connections to past and future, we can know ourselves as freedom itself.   The freedom we are (in the eternal now) hasn't a state of not being free.   Though it cannot be defined, awareness is known to itself. 


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Posted 24 March 2019 - 06:05 AM

Look up Sir Albert Hoffman.

He was the scientist that first synthesized LSD.

He took acid for 20 years straight to try to prove to the government that it was totally safe to use for psychological uses.

The last time he took it was when he was 96 years old!!  He lived to be 102.

This is very uplifting, thank you


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Posted 27 March 2019 - 09:04 PM

here are a couple of parable type stories, old ones, that seem to fit on this thread:

 

 

this one on the relativity of sanity:

 

Once upon a time Khidr, the teacher of Moses, called upon mankind with a warning. At a certain date, he said, all the water in the world which had not been specially hoarded, would disappear. It would then be renewed, with different water, which would drive men mad.

Only one man listened to the meaning of this advice. He collected water and went to a secure place where he stored it, and waited for the water to change its character.
On the appointed date the streams stopped running, the wells went dry, and the man who had listened, seeing this happening, went to his retreat and drank his preserved water.
When he saw, from his security, the waterfalls again beginning to flow, this man descended among the other sons of men. He found that they were thinking and talking in an entirely different way from before; yet they had no memory of what had happened, nor of having been warned. When he tried to talk to them, he realized that they thought that he was mad, and they showed hostility or compassion, not understanding.

At first, he drank none of the new water, but went back to his concealment, to draw on his supplies, every day. Finally, however, he took the decision to drink the new water because he could not bear the loneliness of living, behaving and thinking in a different way from everyone else. He drank the new water, and became like the rest. Then he forgot all about his own store of special water, and his fellows began to look upon him as a madman who had miraculously been restored to sanity.

 

and this one on identity:

 

 
"Tale of the Sands"


A stream, from its course in far-off mountains, passing through every kind and description of countryside, at last reached the sands of the desert. Just as it had crossed every other barrier, the stream tried to cross this one, but found that as fast as it ran into the sand, its waters disappeared.

It was convinced, however, that its destiny was to cross this desert, and yet there was no way. Now a hidden voice, coming from the desert itself, whispered: "The wind crosses the desert, and so can the stream."

The stream objected that it was dashing itself against the sand, and only getting absorbed: that the wind could fly, and this was why it could cross a desert.

"By hurtling in your own accustomed way you cannot get across. You will either disappear or become a marsh. You must allow the wind to carry you over, to your destination.

But how could this happen? "By allowing yourself to be absorbed in the wind."

This idea was not acceptable to the stream. After all, it had never been absorbed before. It did not want to lose its individuality. And, once having lost it, how was one to know that it could ever be regained?

"The wind, "said the sand, "performs this function. It takes up water, carries it over the desert, and then lets it fall again. Falling as rain, the water again becomes a river."

"How can I know that this is true?" "It is so, and if you do not believe it, you cannot become more than a quagmire, and even that could take many, many years. And it certainly is not the same as a stream."

"But can I not remain the same stream that I am today?"

"You cannot in either case remain so," the whisper said. "Your essential part is carried away and forms a stream again. You are called what you are even today because you do not know which part of you is the essential one."

When it heard this, certain echoes began to arise in the thoughts of the stream. Dimly it remembered a state in which it - or some part of it? - had been held in the arms of a wind. It also remembered - or did it? - that this was the real thing, not necessarily the obvious thing to do.

And the stream raised its vapor into the welcoming arms of the wind, which gently and easily bore it upwards and along, letting it fall softly as soon as they reached the roof of a mountain, many, many miles away. And because it had its doubts, the stream was able to remember and record more strongly in its mind the details of the experience. It reflected, "Yes, now I have learned my true identity."

The stream was learning. But the sands whispered: "We know, because we see it happen day after day: and because we, the sands, extend from the riverside all the way to the mountain."

And that is why it is said that the way in which the stream of Life is to continue on its journey is written in the Sands."

 


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#16 swayambhu

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Posted 05 April 2019 - 08:56 AM

As for insanity, I wouldn't worry too much. I suspect that when, and if, you go insane you won't know it. Your insanity will take form as your new sanity, even if that sanity is something wholly otherworldly. 

 

I was wondering about this the other day. I've always thought of myself as relatively sane. But, since I first dropped acid in my mid teens, I've considered the overwhelmingly vast majority of my species to be either completely insane or suffering from social, moral, spiritual, psychological and by default intellectual retardation.

Only now that I'm in my 40's does it occur to me that I might be totally deluded. I might be totally crazy, and have zero idea whatsoever that that is the case. Feels kind of good, actually!


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 09:19 AM

As for insanity, I wouldn't worry too much. I suspect that when, and if, you go insane you won't know it. Your insanity will take form as your new sanity, even if that sanity is something wholly otherworldly.


I was wondering about this the other day. I've always thought of myself as relatively sane. But, since I first dropped acid in my mid teens, I've considered the overwhelmingly vast majority of my species to be either completely insane or suffering from social, moral, spiritual, psychological and by default intellectual retardation.
Only now that I'm in my 40's does it occur to me that I might be totally deluded. I might be totally crazy, and have zero idea whatsoever that that is the case. Feels kind of good, actually!
Well I think it's certainly true that people are dumbed down by ego... I get people who say "oh you're one of those people who likes learning".. To me this statement confirms your thoughts about non psychedelic people
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Posted 05 April 2019 - 10:10 AM

If I'm not this ego, then what?  It brings to mind the ancient practice of neti neti (neither this nor that). 


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Posted 05 April 2019 - 10:22 AM


As for insanity, I wouldn't worry too much. I suspect that when, and if, you go insane you won't know it. Your insanity will take form as your new sanity, even if that sanity is something wholly otherworldly.


I was wondering about this the other day. I've always thought of myself as relatively sane. But, since I first dropped acid in my mid teens, I've considered the overwhelmingly vast majority of my species to be either completely insane or suffering from social, moral, spiritual, psychological and by default intellectual retardation.
Only now that I'm in my 40's does it occur to me that I might be totally deluded. I might be totally crazy, and have zero idea whatsoever that that is the case. Feels kind of good, actually!

I was in total agreement up to the last sentence. For me it stopped feeling good some years ago. I think I'm lonely for intelligent company and that's why I come here.
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Posted 05 April 2019 - 12:01 PM

 

 

As for insanity, I wouldn't worry too much. I suspect that when, and if, you go insane you won't know it. Your insanity will take form as your new sanity, even if that sanity is something wholly otherworldly.


I was wondering about this the other day. I've always thought of myself as relatively sane. But, since I first dropped acid in my mid teens, I've considered the overwhelmingly vast majority of my species to be either completely insane or suffering from social, moral, spiritual, psychological and by default intellectual retardation.
Only now that I'm in my 40's does it occur to me that I might be totally deluded. I might be totally crazy, and have zero idea whatsoever that that is the case. Feels kind of good, actually!

I was in total agreement up to the last sentence. For me it stopped feeling good some years ago. I think I'm lonely for intelligent company and that's why I come here.

 

I know where youre coming from  .. i get very lonely too as my only friends live 3 hours away and everyone in this town is very stupid. . i understand thats a generalization but i seriously have yet to meet an intellectual person in my 3 years of being here.


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