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[Norman]

Good to know. Maybe I’ll give it another shot next time I’m farting around. Is the gordo tek foodsafe and use d limonene?

[el_ronhub_bird]

Good news! There was no emulsion. The only agitation though was slow stirring, no shaking or rolling. Now let's cross our fingers and hope there's some D in there!

[el_ronhub_bird]

Good to know. Maybe I’ll give it another shot next time I’m farting around. Is the gordo tek foodsafe and use d limonene?

I believe it calls for naptha. The last tek that I linked (Q21Q21) lists d-limonene plus all the common ones as usable solvents. It's also a lime tek

Edited by el_ronhub_bird, 23 September 2020 - 06:27 PM.

[el_ronhub_bird]

Well the spent bark yielded what looks like maybe 100-200mg. I'll post picks and weight when it's finished crystallizing. I guess at least I know my method is pulling most of the alkaloids out. I'm gonna do a final pull with xylene today

[el_ronhub_bird]

Ok...so is it possible that the jungle alkaloids got concentrated into the vegetable sludge that sinks to the bottom of the aqueous solution? It's basically the fine dust that gets separated from the more fibrous material that is removed. The tek says to discard the vegetable sludge but I found that to be wasteful so I just separate the aqueous solution from the sludge and perform separate extractions on them. When doing naptha pulls, the naptha from the sludge is usually a bit darker than that from the aqueous solution. But in doing a xylene pull today, the difference is HUGE! I don't really know what to make of it...

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[coorsmikey]

Are you saying you're getting significant pulls from the sludge?

[el_ronhub_bird]

Are you saying you're getting significant pulls from the sludge?

Yes I do get significant pulls from the sludge. But this xylene pull from the sludge is a dark red color whereas the pull from the aqueous solution is light yellow. I performed the extraction in the same exact manner and don't understand why there is such a significant difference. My guess is that somehow the jungle alkaloids got concentrated in the sludge but I still don't understand how that would happen

[Norman]

Sounds like the xylene is dissolving something in the sludge. No telling if that’s alks or just pigment until you evaporate.

[el_ronhub_bird]

It smells like spice. What do you guys think?

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[coorsmikey]

Looks like you need a guinea pig lol

[el_ronhub_bird]

It smells just like I've read jungle spice is supposed to smell; like regular spice but sweeter with an added fruity smell

[el_ronhub_bird]

I finally did it, I finally broke through! It only took me a year and a half! It took 100mg of some nice yellow spice pictured on the previous page.

Now about the jungle spice, so I decided I'd be the guinea pig and tried some. It wasn't very visual, it was more of a body feeling than regular spice but there's definitely tryptamines in there. It didn't seem to want to burn clean so I do think it might have picked something else up in the xylene. I think I might just clean it up with some naptha and see what happens

[el_ronhub_bird]

Alright guys as much as I abhor "trip reports" I've gotta tell you what just happened. So now that i figured out what dose is gonna pop me through, I figured "let's try this again, I'll go in brave and try to keep my wits about me." So I did it. At the moment that I realized I was about to die, i got up and ran out of my house. Not wanting to disturb my neighborhood, i slowed my run to a walk. And took a very pleasant barefoot walk around the block. Slowly my wits came back to me and I realized you can't die from DMT. lol.

[twoguysupnorth]

Haha glad it worked out for you. Love the story though. I found it less troublesome to just load up the pipe and not measure specifically for a dose. Thats kinda what it took to breakthrough the first time and if you didn't vape it all up there is still another hit in your pipe possibly. Like I said i usually would use the changa version. You don't want to catch it on fire or it will make me at least vomit. Once you have it vaped off to your satisfaction though you can actually smoke the herbs and still get a return trip from it without the nausea ime anyways. A 1/3 g of changa would include 100mg of dmt and same for rue extract and same amount of mixed herbs. Always mullien but the rest of the herbs may change for flavor or effect. Mints, or other psychedelic plants like datura leaves or Salvia or lemon balm for its properties. I have some to complete I just needed time I guess to actually do it so it may be colder and later fall before I get to try mine again. I'll likely use lemon balm/mullien to see what effect that has if any, other than flavor.

[raymycoto]

Is the dried 'mud pie' acetone extraction practical in terms of yield for a primary extraction technique? Is it a clean pull or does it get too much aqueous soluble goop? I love working with acetone for other things. It's cheap. It's volatile. Non-toxic. And smells OK.

[Norman]

It’s a bufotenine extraction tek used for yopo and cebil that I thought the op might like to try since he was starting out with a mud pie and wanted to use calcium hydroxide.
It works great on cebil, I can’t say for MHRB, but it should work in theory anyway. I wish I lived in Theory - everything works there.
Search for “dryteks” on the Nexus and elsewhere for info from those smarter than I.

[joeya]

This looks like the right thread to ask this question;

Where the heck can I find naptha nowadays? In my state, VM&P naptha seems to have been removed from every store shelf where it used to be sold.  Do we have to just order it for delivery now?

 

Thanks!

[Norman]

My answer is I don’t know but I hate to see a good question fall flat.
It’s probably regulated under some VOC law which while inconvenient, are for an overall good.
So yes, you’re probably going to need to order it.
Alternatives could be heptane, sold as Bestine rubber cement remover at art stores, or various eco solvents like d limonene which doesn’t evaporate or freeze precip so you’re stuck with salting out. Odorless mineral spirits would be another option.
Freebase DMT is soluble in lots of things - the trick is to find one that isn’t miscible in water and come up with a way to get the goods out when they don’t evaporate cleanly or easily. Someone on here recently used canola oil to extract and salted the alks out with success. Dryteks work as well but they haven’t been explored much with DMT since it’s always been easy to extract with naptha.

[el_ronhub_bird]

Last night I had my first DMT experience since September. It was also my first DMT experience post cessation of antidepressants. While on the antidepressants, it took a 100mg dose to break through. I knew i would need significantly less now so I weighed up a 60mg dose and that was more than enough to break through. Next time I'll see where a 40mg dose gets me, I have a feeling that might be enough for me to breakthrough now. Man this really stretches my stash lol. I'm really looking forward to experimenting with changa now that I'm off the antidepressants. I'm hoping that the slower onset of effects will help me ease into the "breakthrough realm" because so far I keep getting "the fear" when I break through. And it's not really the fear that I'm dying anymore, it's more the sensation of not having, or not being a body. So this sensation of being a disembodied consciousness, it causes me to get up in the middle of the experience, every time I breakthrough. Every time I intend to stay sitting/laying and every time I get up lol. I have an idea about how to remedy this but I probably won't try until later on this summer. In the meantime I'll experiment with changa. I'll let you guys know how that goes

[el_ronhub_bird]

Ok, I tried changa for the first time today. It was 125mg made with mullein, DMT, and rue seed extract at a 1:1:1 ratio. I didn't do it all at once, I smoked about half then a couple hours later smoked the other half. Some nice visuals, nothing too deep, just taking a test drive ya know? It did show me some parts of my life or some relationships that could benefit from a bit more empathy on my part. Overall, very nice. I may even pack up another 125mg for another round tonight

Edit: I am also experiencing some nice antidepressant effects which is good since I stopped my SSRIs about 2 months ago. I'm hoping a regimen of psychedelics can help me stay off of them for good

Edited by el_ronhub_bird, 30 April 2021 - 06:24 PM.