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#141 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 03:37 PM

There is a very miniscule amount of goo that has yet to crystallize. But slowly and steadily, day after day the crystals plug along growing outward. That little spot in the center of the picture will disappear within a day or two. Also does the crystal next to that spot look like an eye to anyone else?

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 01:50 PM

5th and final pull from the first 100g and 250g mixed together

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:16 PM

5th and final pull from the first 100g and 250g mixed together

 

damn, nice clean looking xtals there



#144 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 02:52 PM

Hey thanks. They are always nice and white when I freeze precip. I actually tried to precip/evap at room temp but they wouldn't go. I'm guessing because there was too much naptha, you guys can comment on this if you'd like. I actually prefer yellow crystal so this will probably get thrown in with the next batch of yellow that I make. So last night I had my strongest experience yet (on yellow crystal of course) and it was amazing. 60mg. Full on mystical experience. Wow just wow! I know I sound like a broken record but thank you guys for helping me with this, it's truly appreciated! Oh and I still haven't broke through but now that I'm familiar with the substance I'm not in a rush to like I was before. It'll happen when it happens. I'm not pushing for it anymore
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:48 PM

Oh yeah a friend of mine collected up some mullein leaf for me today

Edit: woah the picture showed up oriented properly. Did they fix it?

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 03:01 PM

Currently grinding up 500g for the next extraction. Man this shit is tedious! Oh well I'm almost done. Gonna go with Marsofold tek again. I'll post pictures when there's something interesting to look at

Edit: I'm actually just gonna throw in what's leftover from the last batch so this will be about 600g instead of 500g

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 01:45 PM

I've gotta question for you guys; I know DMT has a shelf life. Is this true while it is still in dried bark? Or only after it is extracted? I ask because i have a nice little stash of bark and my plan is to extract it as I need it to keep any DMT from getting too old. I know a lot of you guys have long term experience with this stuff so please chime in

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 03:16 PM

If the bark is kept good and dry it should keep indefinitely.
The salt form of DMT is very stable - much more so than freebase - and most plants store most alkaloids as salts.
If one wants to store extracted freebase for a long time is is best to convert it to a powder salt and then base it back out again when needed.

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Posted 08 June 2019 - 03:54 PM

This is what I've done with my extra spice, turn it into dmt fumerate for long term storage. Fairly easy process!

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 09:29 AM

This is what I've done with my extra spice, turn it into dmt fumerate for long term storage. Fairly easy process!


How does one go about turning freebase into fumerate?

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 10:02 AM

Use the FASA method (fumaric acid saturated acetone).
So food grade fumeric acid and anhydrous acetone.

Its in the dmt handbook.

Part 3: Salting If you have understood everything so far, you would have gathered that many of the above processes rely on changing the state of the DMT between a freebase and a salt. As mentioned earlier, freebases and salts have significantly different properties which include: DMT freebase form More reactive (lower shelf life) Low melting point (easily smokable) Insoluble in water DMT salt form Less reactive (greater shelf life) High melting point Water soluble (snortable, injectable) You can see how these properties may be of interest to the experimenter. For example, if a bulk extraction was done and one wished to store the product, then salting is of great benefit. And the fact that the salt is comfortably snortable (have you ever snorted freebase? eeesh!!) opens up a new level of exploration. Section 1: Theory By reacting the freebase DMT with an acid, a salt form of DMT is created. If Hydrochloric acid is used, the salt DMT Hydrochloride will form. If Phosphoric Acid is used, the salt DMT Phosphate will form. Previously documented experiments show that many of the salts of DMT are notoriously hard to crystallise, with some exceptions. One of these is the DMT Fumarate salt (produced with Fumaric acid) which will be made here. When it comes to isolating the salt that is formed, we are in luck. Both freebase DMT and Fumaric acid are soluble in Acetone, but the DMT Fumarate salt is not. This means that when the two solutions come into contact, the rapidly formed DMT Fumarate will precipitate out of the solution and crystallise. Below, the amount of Fumaric Acid needed for the conversion is calculated. Constants: Molecular mass of DMT freebase: 188.269 g/mol Molecular mass of Fumaric Acid: 116.07 g/mol Calculation: Firstly, Fumaric acid is diprotic. This basically means that one molecule of fumaric acid will combine with two molecules of DMT. Given this, the following calculation is derived: 2 Mr DMT Mr FA W DMT W W FA Where: MrDMT = Molecular mass of DMT MrFA Mr FA = Molecular mass of Fumaric acid WDMT = Weight of DMT WFA = Weight of Fumaric acid W31.0 FA DMT 2 Mr DMT W DMT So, to convert 500mg of freebase DMT into DMT Fumarate, the amount of Fumaric acid theoretically needed for the conversion to go to completion can be calculated: W FA 0 . 31 W DMT 0 . 31 500 mg 155 mg In practice, a multiplier of 0.4 rather than 0.31 is used. This results in an excess amount of acid being present which will ensure that no unconverted freebase DMT remains.

Section 2: Practical Weigh the amount of freebase DMT you wish to salt 500mg is used here Note: Using freshly recrystallised freebase DMT will greatly enhance the purity of the end product Calculate and weigh the amount of Fumaric acid needed for the conversion This is 0.4 times the amount of DMT used, which in this case is: 0.4 x 500mg = 200mg So 200mg of Fumaric acid is used Place both powders inside different glasses Here, the DMT is on the left and the Fumaric acid is on the right Now dissolve the powders in 100% Acetone Use the following amounts: 25mL / 100mg of Fumaric acid 2mL / 100mg of DMT freebase

The DMT (left) was dissolved in 10mL of Acetone The Fumaric acid (right) was dissolved in 50mL of Acetone Be sure to agitate the mixture well enough so that all the powder dissolves If you see some particles which won’t dissolve, then pour off only the Acetone into a fresh glass, leaving the insolubles behind For curiosity, the pH of the two solutions was measured: The topmost paper was dipped in the Fumaric acid solution. As expected, it came back acidic The lower paper was dipped in the DMT solution. As the freebase is by definition a base, the solution measured basic You will now add the Fumaric acid solution to the DMT solution Here, this was done slowly using a large syringe, but I see no issue with simply pouring the Fumaric acid solution into the DMT solution The beauty of this process is that both Fumaric acid and freebase DMT are soluble in acetone, but the DMT Fumarate formed instantaneously on contact is not, which is why it immediately precipitates out of the solution With each drop you can see the DMT Fumarate precipitate out

Once you have finished combining the two liquids, you will be left with a milky looking solution like this. The milky appearance is from all the precipitated DMT Fumarate currently suspended in the solution At this point, cover the glass to stop the Acetone evaporating Within a few minutes the precipitate will begin to crystallise. Watching crystals literally form in front of your eyes is a magical part of chemistry, and don’t forget just how special those crystals actually are! I suspect the crystallisation process is complete within an hour, but just in case it should be left to sit overnight After the waiting period is up, you can remove the cover and take a look inside You will see a whole bunch of crystals, and the Acetone will be clear To check that all the freebase DMT did in fact convert to DMT Fumarate, you can measure the pH of the Acetone If should be just slightly acidic. If it is basic whatsoever then you did not use enough Fumaric acid

Pour out as much of the Acetone as you can. Letting it drip dry upside down for a few minutes will help. Then sit the glass upright in open air to allow all the left over Acetone to evaporate Give it two to three hours At this point, the crystals may contain some residual Fumaric acid that was deposited when the left over Acetone evaporated To clean the crystals, add 10mL of fresh Acetone per 100mg of Fumaric acid initially used 20mL of Acetone was used here Now gather and grind all the crystals from the sides in as fine a powder as possible Cover the glass and allow a few hours for all the DMT Fumarate particles to settle to the bottom Now pour off the Acetone, being very careful not to lose any product, and let the glass sit in open air to dry. This could take anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on the amount and quality of the salt If the salt insists on remaining gooey, you can try oven-drying it for 15-20 mins at 50-75 ºC Once the powder is bone dry it can be collected and weighed Note that it weighs around 1.3 times that of the freebase, which is because the salt is heavier than the freebase You have now successfully created long-life DMT Fumarate! See Part 5, Suggestion 3: Using Salts for a few ideas on what to do with it

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#152 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 12:06 PM

Thanks for the info Mushinist. I'm not gonna do that right now as my hands are full at the moment but I will definitely do it in the near future. Maybe that's what I will do to wrap up this thread. I wanna document my current extraction before I do that though

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 01:00 PM

Nice, and yes finish this thread up with a conversion.

Otherwise download the PDF and keep it as a reference, good info in there!

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Posted 09 June 2019 - 08:07 PM

Oh yeah! First pull from 600g

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Posted 10 June 2019 - 08:06 PM

Beautiful! First pull from 600g! I'll scrape it when dry and post weight tomorrow

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Posted 11 June 2019 - 08:01 AM

Weight of 1st pull from 600g is over 5g. Pretty nice. Almost reached 1% yield on the first pull. I really like how I can keep the DMT in one big piece when I make it like this. Here's some crystal porn for ya Mushinist

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 11:56 AM

Did my last post leave you guys speechless or what? Haha! I met the elves for the first time last night on 60mg of this new batch. I think I still didn't break through though. I seemed to be on the periphery of it. Like I said, I'm in no rush to get there. Every experience I have is more amazing than the last, with last night's being the best one so far!

Edit: the total weight of the first pull from 600g was over 5.5g. Nearly 1% yield on the first pull

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 12:23 PM

Did my last post leave you guys speechless or what?


Nah, just been busy friend!

Nice job, that's a good sized chunk there!

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 01:08 PM

So here is my yellow spice vs. Jungle spice. The jungle spice(right) consists of 1.8g of white freeze precipitated DMT infused with approximately .5g of jungle alkaloids pulled with xylene. Also the jungle spice is very greasy

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Posted 13 June 2019 - 05:21 PM

I did an experiment. I threw a small amount of jungle spice into hot naptha. The orange alkaloid(s) that was extracted with xylene should not disolve in hot naptha. Which it didn't. The picture shows the orange jungle alkaloids stuck to the bottom of a jar of hot naptha (I tried to stir it in but all it would do is smear)

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