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#1 NassCorda

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:02 AM

Hi!

I finally have pins on my very first bulk tub(s). I went MS syringe --> liquid culture --> grains --> coir + coffee. I'm having a slight issue where quite a few of the pins (not sure if you can tell from the pics) are bending/growing/leaning towards the sides instead of growing straight up. What is causing this? Is this a lighting issue? The tubs are currently on a shelf in a decently (natural light) lit room, but light is coming from the sides and not the top. Should I move my tubs next time?

 

Also I'm not sure you can tell from the pics, but in one of the tubs a couple of the mushrooms (the ones that are bending towards the walls of the tub) have slightly fuzzy feet. What could be causing this?

 

PS: my tubs are unmodded/have no holes. I fan them daily whenever I'm around

Thanks. :)

 

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Edited by NassCorda, 01 June 2019 - 11:05 AM.

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Posted 01 June 2019 - 11:40 AM

since you are using ambient light coming through the window the mushrooms will tend to grow any way the choose, if you place a light closer to them they will tend to grow towards it as well. so if you install small lights in the top then they will grow straight up. Lighting is really only an indicator to the mycelium to grow in that direction, since the mycelium is receiving light from all directions the mushrooms are gonna grow how ever they choose to. which isnt really a big deal unless you are really pushing for a 1st flush full canopy. The fuzzy feet might be an indicator that you have a bacterial contam called vert. It usually causes fuzzies to grow up the stem and causes mushrooms to grow and twist in weird ways that cause the stems to break open and stuff. From the middle pic it looks normal to me as mushrooms usually have fuzzy feet closes to the mycelium. If almost the entire stem is fuzzy then that would be a indicator to vert. If you ever get vert just dont eat the mushrooms fresh or you could end up with a upset stomach and some major shits and might cause allergic reaction.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 12:42 PM

Thank you! It's only the feet getting fuzzy so hopefully it's all good. :)


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:27 PM

What matty said. That's a decent flush, nice job.


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Posted 01 June 2019 - 04:44 PM

Those look fine. They aren't sure which way is up! Sometimes they'll do that regardless, but straighten up as they mature. Light from the top would help, but its not really neccesary. No particular benefit.

The "fuzzy feet" you have are normal. An indicator of normal.

Fuzzy feet are never an indicator of contamination.

Verticillum is not a bacteria, its a fungus, very common and pretty much cosmetic in nature. And fuzzy feet is not a symptom.
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Posted 01 June 2019 - 05:48 PM

Thanks guys. Much appreciated :)



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Posted 01 June 2019 - 09:32 PM

Those look fine to me also. If you could squeeze in another fan/mist session it will lessen the fuzzy feet. It's not a big deal, but I have found the mushrooms actually get a tad bigger if you don't let that get too out of hand. What strain is that?



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 06:53 PM

From The book The Mushroom Cultivator, written by Paul Stamets. "The stem can be covered with a downy mycelium and often vertically splits... When this mold attacks Psilocybe cubensis, there are several additional characters worthy of note...Only in an extremely humid environment does a downy mildew develop over the cap and stem surface." You don't have to trust my word but I'd believe Paul Stamets any day of the week. So yes fuzzy feet can be a indicator to vert thank you very much.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 07:07 PM

Fuzzy feet are also a sign of lack of FAE or GE, I think the "downy mold" Stamets mentions is not exactly the same as the "fuzzy feet" we see from environmental factors.



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Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:06 PM

Sorry. If Paul says fuzzy feet are indicative of verticillium, then Paul's wrong too. Wouldn't be the first thing he was wrong about.
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:37 PM

Sorry but TMC was written when the earth was still flat. Plus those words quoted from TMC can be perceived in different ways. For Example "Downy mildew" does not indicate fuzzy feet, but rather the white mold you often see growing on rotting aborts or fruitbodies that succumb to trich.

 

Fuzzy feet is from high humidity, often confused with lack of FAE. Lots of fresh air often lowers the humidity thus giving the average cultivator the impression more air solves this. The fact is though that even with lower CO2 and higher oxygen fuzzy feet will occur if the humidity is high. Fuzzy feet does not indicate Vert contamination though it is possible to have both. Usually if both occur together you will see fuzzy feet with brown freckles on the base of the stems. I will say this from many years of experience and not because I read something that someone wrote.

 

Oh yeah and to the OP, Nice Job! Don't sweat what ain't broke. Those pin are just moving away from each other so the do not compete for the same space. They are just making room to grow. When they are much taller they will probably look like they are growing straight up or toward the direction of the dominant light.


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Posted 02 June 2019 - 08:51 PM

More porn! Post mature pics, should be a really nice flush.
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Posted 02 June 2019 - 09:29 PM

Those look fine to me also. If you could squeeze in another fan/mist session it will lessen the fuzzy feet. It's not a big deal, but I have found the mushrooms actually get a tad bigger if you don't let that get too out of hand. What strain is that?


The strain is Amazon.
 

More porn! Post mature pics, should be a really nice flush.


They are lovely! I've just started to pick the first few.

After picking them some stumps remain (blue in the pics) that I can't really get to without damaging the other mushrooms....
 

Oh yeah and to the OP, Nice Job! Don't sweat what ain't broke. Those pin are just moving away from each other so the do not compete for the same space. They are just making room to grow. When they are much taller they will probably look like they are growing straight up or toward the direction of the dominant light.


Thanks! :)

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Posted 02 June 2019 - 09:32 PM

Filling out nice.

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Posted 03 June 2019 - 07:13 AM

Very nice looking flush there way to go!!!

 

And yes, Paul can be wrong. He can only write from his perspective and his experiences. But I will say, he is a very knowledgable and great person that has and is progressing with making mycelium more understood. As well in some cases, showing us how it works in possibly saving many things in our eco system. 

Having met and spent time with him, you have no idea of the man he is until you speak with him. 



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Posted 03 June 2019 - 10:35 AM

Very nice looking flush there way to go!!!

And yes, Paul can be wrong. He can only write from his perspective and his experiences. But I will say, he is a very knowledgable and great person that has and is progressing with making mycelium more understood. As well in some cases, showing us how it works in possibly saving many things in our eco system.
Having met and spent time with him, you have no idea of the man he is until you speak with him.


Thanks. And, lucky you! Everytime I hear him speak I have so many questions. Wish I lived overseas :)

Edited by NassCorda, 03 June 2019 - 10:38 AM.





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