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#41 Juthro

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:22 AM

Nice one, Alder.   I don't know if all the squirrels were hiding from the heat, or if I found that clip more interesting than most.  Either way, thanks for sharing it.

 

My favorite quote was at (24:30), but it wasn't the only one I liked. :)

 

Button pushing aside :ohmy:    I really did enjoy all of what he had to say.


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:55 AM

Love this short life you have and stop worrying about humans that aren’t you and live your life.

Your compassion for your fellow man is somewhat underwhelming. My guess is you will feel differently when it comes to be your turn in the barrell.

And let's figure something out if we can. If your position is to just ignore whatever is going on, and to not care about anyone else, then maybe you should follow your own advice and quite worrying about what I say, or feel.
I’m 51 years old. I don’t hate humans but I’m not going to lose sleep over them as well. Some are great and some are power hungry and suck. Every president we have ever had has sucked one way or another. They all have abused their power at one time or another. That’s just what power is. I don’t lose sleep over it. I would love for everyone to strip government of its power by not caring about it. Stop giving it power when your “guy” is in office and think the next guy won’t abuse that new level of power. Trump is the fault of all Obama minions. Obama wAs the fault of the Bush minions. It just grows and grows in power with each swing of what people think is “change”. It’s not change. It’s the same old story over and over. And it’s boring.


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Would you run and hide during the upcoming Civil War or stay and fight?

I don’t see a civil war ever taking place here. And i hope i am right. It’s just people getting wrapped up in tribalism on two ends of a spectrum. The vast majority in between want their AC, fast food and Cable kept flowing. They don’t care one way or another. I don’t care one way or another. I’m just a spectator in this short little life i have here. If i get emotional over things i have no control of then i would be wasting this short life i have. I just want to enjoy it. No one is coming for my things or my family. No one is going to change my way of life. I’m ok and so are you. Just look for happiness in life and don’t get distracted by the power people feel they have. Trump or whoever will be gone soon then another nut job will be in charge. Then another. Then another. It’s never going to end. It’s as old as time


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 06:58 AM

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 09:01 AM

Nice one, Alder.   I don't know if all the squirrels were hiding from the heat, or if I found that clip more interesting than most.  Either way, thanks for sharing it.

 

My favorite quote was at (24:30), but it wasn't the only one I liked. :)

 

Button pushing aside :ohmy:    I really did enjoy all of what he had to say.

 

Richard Wolff has been an inspiration to me for a long time.  The socialism he speaks of is based on the worker owned company, the cooperative.   He is in good part why I started the thread about trying to start a worker owned cooperative mushroom farm.  I had a couple Mycotopians come here to try to get it off the ground, but it didn't work out.  I was willing to capitalize it on my inheritance, but that ship has sailed now, as my little pile of venture capital has been lived on too long to still have that option.  So now, not finding allies who don't already have their own things they want to do, it came down to me, just trying to build a community shop on my land.  That's what that lumber storage building and all the lumber is for.  There are ways to change this country into a better experience, but these do not include greed. 


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Posted 08 July 2019 - 03:25 PM

I did enjoy listening to him talk. 

 

Here is one that I started listening to, and have enjoyed so far.   I haven't finished it yet,  but I'll likely get to the last part of it some time tonight when it's a little quieter around here and I can hear it better.  My ears suffer from too many years of working in the engine room, and Noam mumbles some.

 

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 04:03 PM

You know I got to thinking about how many people treat socialism as a dirty word, but don't really understanding what it is.

 

Here is a case in point 

 

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 05:59 PM

Just minutes ago, I heard of what was called a "Mad Max" event happening in India over water shortages.  Whether you accept or discredit the idea of geoengineering of the weather, I think this weekly digest of international news is an extremely valuable source of interdisciplinary reportage.  I give it my fifty five minutes of listening every week.   Just as with my listening to news from Jimmy Dore, it may not be everyone's cup of tea, with whatever biases we bring to it.  So, for those who have the ears to listen, there is this:
 

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I admit I haven’t spent enough time looking into this Alder. I’m open to learning, but this video doesn’t really get into depth on any individual topic and instead sounds like a lot of phrases put together to induce fear. I randomly took one of the topics....6 ft deep hail in Mexico. The news reports I found stated that rain and flooding caused the hail to flow into deep piles in low lying areas....not quite the picture that is portrayed in the video.
Are there any better sources? How to know if it can be trusted more than any other source?

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Posted 09 July 2019 - 07:02 PM

It is just a weekly clearing of headlines, mostly about climate, but some about impending social collapse.  There are a lot of headlines in the 55 minutes, and I have learned a lot over the years I have listened to Dane Wigington.  The chemical ice nucleation he refers so often to is a real issue, creating many anomalous events, such as ice balls forming in oceans and lakes when the water temperature is above freezing.  One has to wonder about what's up with that.  The science that developed this was done by Kurt Vonegut's brother,  and is likely where Kurt came up with the doomsday weapon, Ice Nine, in his novel, Cat's Cradle.  The patent is old now, but it sure looks like it's being applied.   Dane, admittedly, is in a bit of a panic, but he believes it is as bad as he says, and so, of course he thinks we should be scared shitless (if you are into the whole survival thing).   I like that he's there, every Saturday morning with his briefing.  

 

As an old EarthFirst!er, I was making warnings in the '80s and '90s, and saying back then, "if you are going to be a one issue voter, it had better be the environment."   As far as I can see, we have failed monumentally on that front.  But, maybe the one issue voters that are winning the day politically here in the USA are going to finally stop abortion, so a bunch more kids get to face the challenges of climate change survival.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 03:15 AM

It seems the moral majority thinks that an unborn child should have more rights then both parents, at least right up until it is born.  Then the child should lose all state sponsored medical care, and nutritional assistance, and basically just quit being a freeloader.

 

Did anyone else see the recent case in Alabama where the woman was charged with the death of her unborn child because she got into a fight, was shot, and the fetus died?

 

The state ended up dropping the charges, but she had been indicted by the grand jury, was arrested, and held for some time before that happened.

https://time.com/561...zing-pregnancy/

 

Does anyone else find this offensive, or invasive?

I do.

 

 

 

 


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 06:51 AM


There is that old adage that at family gatherings you should never discuss religion or politics...

 

Ever wonder about those two things, they always seem to be bound together.  Just ask any Atheist who attempted to run for any political office of any kind in the US.  Yeah, good luck finding one - its not a pretty picture.  Deny that you are a "god botherer" and you can forget about any political aspirations you may have.

 

What else is similar about most "Accepted" religions and politics?  Well, the most prescient one I cna think of is "There is some ultimate Authority and you had better bow down to it (or at least make the various grunts and gesticulations that imply that you do).

 

Authority.  Where one individual or group has decided it knows what is best for you and me - and damnation to the one who questions this assertion, or... gasp... disobeys it.

 

And what is it about this subject that gets everyone so riled up with someone who disagrees?

 

"You are disregarding ma authorita!"  (insert picture of Cartman here) - in other words each of us has some idea of what "ought" to be done, and what "is" being done and when others have different "oughts" or "is" they assume you are trying to disregard their "Authorita"...

 

We take this personal... and so do those who assume they are the "Authoritas" because of their current possession of bigger "guns".  Certain individuals dress up in costumes and expect that you will recognize their "Authorita" based on those costumes.

 

I hate to break this to everyone, myself included, but are we not still just monkeys who are scared of the "Boom Booms" in the sky - which we have attributed to the "gods"? Are we not just like the tribes that went around killing each other so "our" king and queen can rule the lands? Are we really that much different than the wolf pack that fights with another wolf pack over "hunting rights"?

 

Frankly folks it all comes down the the "Great Filter" of the Fermi Paradox,,,

 

Fermi Paradox in a nutshell: Life began on earth almost as soon as it cooled down enough - therefore we can assume it has formed on may other planets in our galaxy.  If so, then at least some of those worlds ought to have developed complex life, and at least some of those should have evolved into sentient intelligent life.  If so, we ought to be able to detect something about this, but so far we have not.  Where are they?

 

Great Filter in a nutshell: The concept that there are "walls" or "filters" the make it difficult or impossible for sentient intelligent life to develop in the universe.

 

Is not politics and religion (organized authoritarian type) a great filter?  I propose that it is.  One we might want to rid ourselves of as soon as possible.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 10:10 AM

The thing about socialism as an economic system is it always evolves into a cultural system as well and once people gain power and find that love of power intoxicating, the diversity of opinion and thought becomes dangerous.  Then diversity becomes dangerous to the culture because it disrupts that power.   People are the problem.  When you have 300 million people under the illusion of a National identity and a few at the top that think they can dictate how everyone thinks and what they must do to be part of the cultural national identity it gets messy.  Always leads to one side trying to lock up, kill or control the other.  All forms of economic systems do this because we are human and want to farm out the control to a small group.  that small group gets overwhelmed with the demands and starts locking things down.  Basically the debates of abortion and gun ownership are one in the same.  Based on economics but disguised as culture.  Mouths to feed of the unwanted and health/safty burden to the collective.  Its the same argument but with different angles.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 12:03 PM

Yet, here we are, in this physical expression, with an urge to make it better or different.  Where this crosses into the spiritual (not religious), is where we need to get beyond limiting ourselves within some apparent context, be present, and play it by ear.  When we identify with some political position, we become a schism.  We are of course, more than some position, at some time.  When the "I want it this way" illusory being takes its way up against the other seven point five billion perspectives, we get that world we see now.   And this is not to say we must compromise with destructive forces. 

 

"The path to Salvation is as narrow and as difficult to walk as a razor's edge."

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 12:51 PM

When the path becomes as narrow as a Razors Edge....

...Time to find another path...  Because I cant afford these shoes, and I don't need "Salvation".

-Steampunk Scientist.  :tongue:

 

Glad you made that distinction between Religion, and Spirit Alder, I should have done that in my previous post - With regard to Spirit, I am a spiritual being, with regard to Religion, I am an Atheist.


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Posted 10 July 2019 - 01:42 PM

I am a political partisan when corruption is the issue.   I report this, confident that we won't find any partisans for the other side on this site.  The reason I want political discussion is because I oppose corruption in not only the public sphere, but completely.  I don't want someone lying, killing, and/or stealing on my behalf.  So, is it possible that corruption might fail?  One thing it will always have going against it is, it will have to cover its lies with more lies, and that will necessarily be its path.   The lovers of truth and honesty need only to remain true to their paths, and not bargain that away, thereby corrupting themselves.  Simple, isn't it?   The hard part might be in exercising our own honesty about the compromises we might make.   But I believe it's worth it because it is a way to our own peace and freedom, whatever is going on out there in the world.  

 

So, let's look at what is afoot in Brazil.   They might be on the verge of some gain in the battle against corruption.  It is surely an ongoing challenge, but hey, that's okay.

 

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Posted 10 July 2019 - 01:47 PM

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 12:26 PM

I have been turning to Niko House for much of my news these days.  I just learned from this video that he is one of three claimants in the DNC Fraud Case which is still ongoing.  Good on him! 

 

We need to know what's in this video and hopefully make some corrections.

 

DNC Have Successfully Rigged 2 Of First 3 Primary States

 

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Posted 11 July 2019 - 07:40 PM

The science that developed this was done by Kurt Vonegut's brother,  and is likely where Kurt came up with the doomsday weapon, Ice Nine, in his novel, Cat's Cradle.

They're up to Ice XVIII now, and it's getting weird.

 

I'm not kidding: https://www.smithson...quid-180968053/

 

It's electric and magnetic properties are fascinating, and it may well turn out to be the most abundant form of water found in our solar system (oddly enough, since it's black, solid, and only exists at extremely high pressures and temperatures). If that's true it could explain the bizarre magnetic fields around Uranus and Neptune.

 

I think it's pretty funny that every reference to Ice XVIII I've seen so far (whether mainstream media or a science site) also mentions Vonnegut, lol...


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Posted 11 July 2019 - 10:18 PM

Cool article... Very cool. Cold in fact ;P

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 11:49 AM

What bothers me the most is all the pro and anti debates. People are too blind to see through these fogs to realize the overlords and media are fueling these flames of distraction to keep us all from focusing on how the cost of living keeps rising and wages are not keeping pace. You can blame whoever you want but remember it's the centralized banking system (owned by the rothchilds and company) that are behind inflation and the desimation of real freedom. What do I mean? Well it used to be feasible for most families to take their kids to Disney or the grand canyon or camping. Now most people are lucky if 5they can afford a week or two off just to be at home. We have become slaves to an owned system. Our ancestors here in the states started the revolutionary war over a less than 10% tax because it was too high. I can't say I have the answers but I can say that things are getting out of control to a point that I am not sure we can fix them even if we were to try. Just my $.02. Peace all.

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Posted 26 July 2019 - 01:13 PM

So I have to tell you, watching the video of Trump speaking in front of the fake presidential seal made me laugh.    The whole '45 is a puppet', and those golf clubs.... lol.... That is some creative, and funny stuff right there :)

 

But did anyone else who watched that video see him talking to those rich white kids with their MAGA hats, and see some similarities to a Hitler Youth rally?

 

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