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#1 jakeoncid419

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 06:40 PM

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Then sum sass and mimosa (for fun)
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#2 KapnDank

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 07:09 PM

They're gorgeous. Can't wait to get some growing myself.
How does chewing a fresh leaf compare to a dry dose? I've been wondering that for years now

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 07:09 PM

one of my favorite herbs. i eat alot of that stuff since the doctors have been out to luch. lol



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Posted 05 August 2019 - 07:11 PM

how hard is it to produce an 8 ounce batch per week dry? i assume is it way more potent when fresh? 

i go through an 8 ounce pouch of red vein every 6-9 days.

because my back was screwed i couldnt cult my freaking poppies this year...

 

wait you can grow those in hydoponics as well?


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#5 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:34 PM

Those are some beautiful babies! I can't wait to give it a shot next year (unless I grab a clone before winter and grow it under HID) I also have been wondering if I could clone these with my EZ clone machine and you answered my question with your picture so thank you!

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#6 jakeoncid419

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 12:50 PM

Hey guys thanks! I love growing these things it’s so rewarding to see them take off! They can be a lil tricky to clone they definitely like the aero mist systems! Also cloneX in the water helps a lot too. It’s also important to top your plants frequently so the get nice and bushy early on. I haven’t really started drying and processing anything yet so I don’t have the exact conversions your asking about but the fresh leaves to seem to go much farther just chewing on one will go a long way at lowering my anxiety. But they taste god awful lol

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Posted 07 August 2019 - 04:23 PM

I bet lol. I can't wait until I can try it out myself.

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Posted 10 August 2019 - 12:56 PM

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#9 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 25 August 2019 - 01:22 PM

@jakeoncid-I should be receiving my rifat clone sometime this week. So I'm gonna wanna pick your brain a little bit as far as soil and nutrients. Maybe some other stuff too as it comes up

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Posted 25 August 2019 - 03:30 PM

I was given a nearly dead Rifat plant (I think it was rifat at any rate) that was mostly a two inch piece of stump sticking out of the ground, as the person's cat took a serious liking to it and ate it nearly to the ground and it did extremely well here all summer, then towards fall it suddenly got a bad case of spider mites They just consumed that thing. I tried treating it but they had really thrived on that plant before I realized it had an issue. Most of the leaves died off, and I brought it inside to hibernate with my cacti in an unheated darkened bathroom. 

 

I did not water it all winter, letting it hibernate. Then as the daylight cycle got longer, the little bit of light it was getting kickstarted it and it grew sprouts all over it's stem. I put it outside and it was dead in three days, and did not come back that time. I was heartbroken as it kept alive all winter and as soon as I put it out the shock killed it. I guess it needed a little more acclimation than the cacti do. 

 

I tried some fresh leaves when it was thriving. You have to be made of stout stuff to do that, they are truly nasty to chew on and I did not notice much effect from them. In their native area I have read they do not chew them and just tuck them in their cheek for ten minutes or so and discard rather than swallow and that gets them plenty of effect from mature ones. I think if I had taken a few more days to let mine adjust to the sun it would have been thriving this year.



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Posted 25 August 2019 - 06:02 PM

There was an episode on Hamilton's pharmacopoeia about kratom. The native on there was grabbing the leave at the base and pulling the stem out and chewing the leaves. Maybe because the stem has most of the antagonist akaloids (which is why people use stem and vein to bring their tolerance back down) in them which might counteract the agonist akaloids. Could be the native didn't want a stringy mess in his mouth too though lol. Just a thought. Maybe someone with a kratom plant could try it out and let us know.
I imagine they do taste really bad. I've almost gotten to the point where I look for a bad taste when it comes to plants as medicine. Lol I sometimes find myself gagging saying "yep! That's the good stuff"

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#12 jakeoncid419

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Posted 28 August 2019 - 04:34 PM

Yup ask away
And yes fresh is rough tasting I take clones trim the leaves down and put to the side then put in my dehydrator then crush and capsulate. The freshness still translates very well EBCB326D-294A-4094-B294-1CC6F252FBCF.jpeg FE5C5633-6587-435F-9866-2AF4802D4EB3.jpeg E610517A-CACF-4DA9-9565-F0921C09B040.jpeg

#13 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 12:29 PM

This beautiful little baby showed up at my doorstep this morning

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 12:33 PM

Alright I've got this little beauty fully acclimated to the inside of my house. She has been outta the bag she came in for well over 24 hours. No droopy leaves or nothing. Right now she resides under 100 watts of florescent light, t5s. I may end up putting her under an hps but we'll see. I don't want her to get too big over the winter to the point where I can't handle it. I will begin topping her immediately so I can keep her stout and bushy. I guess it all really depends on whether or not the florescent light is enough for her. Then in May I will acclimate her to the outdoors where she will live in full sun all summer on my back deck

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 03:21 PM

It's been 12 days and I haven't killed her! Not only that but she's actually growing! New leaves are emerging

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 02:48 PM

So I gave her a little food and put her under a hps. It's been a few days and she's loving it!

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 09:34 PM

Beautiful!

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#18 jakeoncid419

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 02:23 PM

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Posted 26 September 2019 - 05:18 PM

The greenhouse is awesome Jake !

What temperature ranges an humidity levels do you maintain in there ? Is this an all year habitat ?

 

Sorry for the questions, but I want to grow a few of these but won't even try to acquire plants until I have a housing set up. I will likely have to make some provisions for cooling as well, since summer here can run triple digits for weeks, with humidity at less than 10%.



#20 jakeoncid419

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Posted 27 September 2019 - 11:41 AM

I just got em in there, they are gonna ride out the winter in there and I’ll have something bigger put up for em next year and this will turn into a cloning room. I am gonna have to heat it I got the water installed already & I’ll put up a few lights later in winter. For heat I think I’m gonna bury hot water coils in the gravel floor
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