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#21 Jinroh

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Posted 30 August 2019 - 07:26 AM

This is just me personally. I use the exact same substrate for APE as I do for pan cyans. Lots of hpoo and straw. But it's not necessary at

all. I have seen epic APE grows - and all cubes in general - using nothing but coir and verm. APE does seem to like a casing, though.

 

I use hpoo because I personally like it, but it is not required at all.

Thanks for the input! I can get cow manure compost at the lawn and garden center and pasturize it if need be, but there are no horse farms around me so hpoo is not available.

I have 20cc of APE on the way which I plan to use with WBS. I was asking about the poo because I want to give it the best shot at success. By casing you mean a thin layer of verm on top of the substrate after the spawn is mixed in right? If Cow poo is no better than coir and verm I will just use that. I have plenty of it and I would need to make a special trip for cpoo.


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Posted 30 August 2019 - 09:21 PM

This is my casing recipe. I just posted it on another thread.

 

280g peat
260g vermiculite
60g calcium carbonate (CaCO3)
0.6g calcium hydroxide (Ca(OH)2)
800g distilled water (dH20)
 
Add the Ca(OH)2 to the water and mix, then add the water to the rest of the ingredients.
 
This will yield 5 quarts of casing with a pH of ~7.7.
 
I put this in jars and pasteurize for about 2 hours.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 06:47 AM

 

This is my casing recipe. I just posted it on another thread.

 


 

Now that is the most complex casing recipe that I have read so far. It looks more like a substrate than a casing. How thick do you apply it? 1/4 inch or so?



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Posted 31 August 2019 - 09:46 AM

I have a question re using BRF cakes as spawn for bulk tubs. I've read where ppl will spawn (either BRF cakes ground up or grain or poo) to just coir for bulk but I don't understand how that works since I've also read that coir does not provide nutrients but is merely an inert material like verm and is used just to retain moisture. I've read a lot of contradictory statements in the various bulk teks.

I'd use the exact same sub as if u were casing it from grain spawn. At least that's how I did it and it worked pretty well. I've only done it that way once because I usually always use grain I just had some BRF jars and had no good place to fruit them that was not susceptible to contamination. It worked beautifully tho. 3 8oz spawn jars grated per each 6oz shoebox container. Then use same ratio as u normally would for grain spawn when casing it! Hope that help u out it was a learning process for me too but dont overthink it its mycelium itll fukn do what nature programmed it to do.

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Posted 31 August 2019 - 11:59 AM

Asura is right.  And I do use hpoo because I like it haha.  I feel like it helps it to produce better but that could be personal bias.  I haven't ran any objective experiments on it. 


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Posted 31 August 2019 - 06:38 PM

Shit is the shit! It's nice being able to go grab a load of free sub(horse poo) from your buddies farm lol.

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 09:55 AM

Shit is the shit! It's nice being able to go grab a load of free sub(horse poo) from your buddies farm lol.

I definitely need to start looking around here for h poop. I have concluded that I would not read about it so much if there were no additional benefits to using it. I live way out in the country and I am sure there are horses out here. I just need to find them. When I mentioned Hpoo was not available to me, I meant there are no large horse stables that I am aware of near me. Looks like I need to start driving around and scanning for horses. I do see them scattered here and there, just no groups larger than two or three.



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 11:21 AM

Shit is the shit! It's nice being able to go grab a load of free sub(horse poo) from your buddies farm lol.

I definitely need to start looking around here for h poop. I have concluded that I would not read about it so much if there were no additional benefits to using it. I live way out in the country and I am sure there are horses out here. I just need to find them. When I mentioned Hpoo was not available to me, I meant there are no large horse stables that I am aware of near me. Looks like I need to start driving around and scanning for horses. I do see them scattered here and there, just no groups larger than two or three.
It may be risky but don't take shit from nobody lol. Why not stop by and ask for it nicely. But you're going to have to compost it to get all the harmful stuff out of it before using it. Try going to your local nursery or garden section of Lowe's or Walmart and see if you can get some manure from there. The stuff you get there will already be prepped all you would have to do is pasteurize it and get it to field capacity.
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:00 PM

2 or 3 horses produce a large amount of shit. One horse could keep a single grower pretty fucking busy. And I just use it off the ground, sun dried. Not really composted, just dry enough that it crumbles and doesn't mush. Make sure you get it pasteurized well. I'm pretty new also so take my advice lightly, but this has been successful for me! 50/50 hpoo and coir. I've read 33/33/33 hpoo coir verm works well also.

And definitely ask. It's less fishy and suspicious.. just tell someone you know who has horses you want it for compost. They will most likely be very happy to see it go. Horse shit piles up FAST
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:41 PM

A personal preference for me is that any time I use hpoo, I use straw. The two always go hand in hand for me. And not the pelletized stuff, real

straw. Not sure why you would even need to cut coir into a sub recipe if you have unlimited quantities of good poo. I don't have unlimited

quantities so I've thought about using a 50/50 hpoo/coir mix, then straw and verm. But I haven't tried it yet.


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Posted 01 September 2019 - 12:46 PM

A personal preference for me is that any time I use hpoo, I use straw. The two always go hand in hand for me. And not the pelletized stuff, real
straw. Not sure why you would even need to cut coir into a sub recipe if you have unlimited quantities of good poo. I don't have unlimited
quantities so I've thought about using a 50/50 hpoo/coir mix, then straw and verm. But I haven't tried it yet.


Saying I could be using straight hpoo??

Cause I have beyond an unlimited supply. I can get literally truck beds full of the shit. I'd love to not have to deal with coir, it's such a hassle!

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:22 PM

Haha, I think poo is kind of a hassle compared to coir, but I love it. Poo, straw, verm...that's all you need. This is

anecdotal, but I feel like I get more flushes with poo substrates than with coir.



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:27 PM

Just collect the old dry poo out in the pasture and you don't have to worry about composting it. The main thing composting does is leaching out the ammonia which is a concern with stable collected poo because the horses are pissing on it in the stables. Proper pasteurization will kill anything harmful to the grow. the store bought stuff has never been a good consistency. Hpoo out of a field has a nice fluffy consistency similar to coir. And yes some people do use straight hpoo.
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#34 Jinroh

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Posted 01 September 2019 - 01:50 PM

Yeah, I was not planning on stealing poo. I was going to try to find the owners of any horses I find. I would want to get it from the stables rather than in the fields.



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Posted 01 September 2019 - 02:28 PM

I'd try to get it from field like dude said
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Posted 01 September 2019 - 08:37 PM

Just collect the old dry poo out in the pasture and you don't have to worry about composting it. The main thing composting does is leaching out the ammonia which is a concern with stable collected poo because the horses are pissing on it in the stables. Proper pasteurization will kill anything harmful to the grow. the store bought stuff has never been a good consistency. Hpoo out of a field has a nice fluffy consistency similar to coir. And yes some people do use straight hpoo.

You learn something new every day! Thanks KapnDank! Now to convince the GF to let me bring shit into the house or, trade her in for one who would lol jk.
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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:20 AM

OK! It has been less than a week since my last update, but this is a different tub. This tub was the "quarantined" disposable tub that I made from that darkened bag of rye berries that we suspected was contaminated. I checked on it this morning (on my back porch) not expecting to see anything but trich. Low and behold! I got pins and nothing but white mycelium! A definite surprise! So this is my very first ever attempt at growing shrooms and even though I thought it would fail, it appears it just might pull through. The other tub has much more substrate so it is not fully colonized yet. I will give the weekly update on that at the usual time.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 12:52 PM

I've been waiting for your pin porn.  Was not disappointed.  Great work!


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Posted 02 September 2019 - 04:15 PM

Hell yeah dude. Not only was your first grow successful but you also saved contamed spawn in the process too. Cheers!
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Posted 02 September 2019 - 04:35 PM

Thanks guys! I don't know how I managed it. Beginners luck! I can't wait for the big tub to pin. It should be massive if I don't screw something up!

It just goes to show just how good this forum is. I used everything I learned here for this grow (and Lego's YouTube channel).


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