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Communal Psilocybe semperviva/hoogshagenii grow?


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#861 Jrotten

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Posted 26 February 2021 - 12:21 AM

Looks like I have spores. I’m going to do some swabs. The swabs seem to be best fresh so anyone having trouble getting started message me.
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Posted 26 February 2021 - 11:04 PM

188g wet from the first flush. Flooding it now. I feel like it went too long, but that’s what it took to get spores on the whole tub. Could have gone two more days. Super hydrated makes them DARK brown instead of the usual orange. If these are potent like the last ones I grew that’s a whole lot of magic.

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 06:59 PM

This may be a bad test and I’m torn on whether to make it a better test...

I have four very heavy bags of Semperviva colonized/colonizing. My intention was to crumble them around 50% in the bags and form them to trays. These roasting pans with lids seem like a winner in that front. I have had very bad luck with breaking down Semperviva once it is colonized to put it in trays, but I know I’ll get better yields in trays vs bags. I missed the boat for 50% though one bag was lagging a bit so I crumbled it. It had the very distinct odor of anaerobic bacteria and mycelium which I partly expected because I made the subs a bit wet on purpose.

At this point I’m afraid the bag I just broke down wouldn’t have recovered even if it was a different species so I’ll have no clue if this was a worthwhile experiment or if it could have gotten an actual harvest. I’m now considering breaking down a completely/almost completely colonized bag to test also. If I fruit from the bags, I already know I’m wasting substrate.

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 08:02 PM

I like the idea actually-- I have considered doing exactly the same thing to my existing bag after this second flush is finished (which should be within the next few days) -- I figure I have enough going on via LC and clone plates with this species, so I thought that it might be fun to break the block up and tray it in the same FC that the bag's in. I'll be growing a lot more of these anyway-- so what if it doesn't work perfectly.

 

I know bags do well, but I really think that if you want canopies you're going to find them in thin broad tray surfaces like every other species seems to do best in overall...


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Posted 27 February 2021 - 09:15 PM

I’ve broken down 3 bags to trays and they all died. Others have had the same experience. I don’t know if it’s species thing or what, but I was using sterilized subs and LC before. This is pateurized and grain spawn. To me that means the other bags should have been more likely to recover. I did have one tray reconsokidate but I never cased it or did anything and it just dried up.

I’m hesitant to break up a fully colonized bag now.

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Posted 27 February 2021 - 09:30 PM

That's good to know-- maybe I should wait until my next sub to tray it out...


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Posted 28 February 2021 - 03:51 AM

I mean I encourage you to check me. I’m just a dumb guy that tinkered his way into growing magic mushrooms, but I’ve had a LOT of things I thought would be nothing end bags and MY TOTALLY UNSUBSTANTIATED THEORY. is that Semperviva is producing a tip optics and antifungals, I’ve seen it just consume mold and bacteria, but I think there might be an enzyme or something that is meant to stop invaders BUT hinders reconsolidation. Like grain spawn and shaking jars is fine, but once never broken down a bag to a tray and had it make it which I think would be ideal if it works. But I failed at that point ALOT. Maybe if I waited long enough it would be different, but losing weeks on a species that fruits take 14+ days to mature is a lot.

It’s a crapshoot. These bags are intentionally wet. Colonized at 65-70 temps. It’s a tough species, but it seems to have some quirks probably related to that. ORRRR I’m just really pretty bad at all this and making shit up. Who knows?!

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 10:49 AM

I picked up some larger bags, 5x8x20. I used them the other day with a pint of Semp grains per 3 myco quarts of sub and that was sterilized for 2hrs. After mixing, I shaped the bag into an 11x14 Sterlite tray at about a 2"depth. After it colonizes, I'll cut the top and case.
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Posted 28 February 2021 - 01:57 PM

Hi y'all, just got off probation(I think?), woohoo!

 

Thought I'd share a couple grows of this species I got goin on. At first I wasn't too fond of them but lately I'm starting to catch feelings for these mofos  :wub:

 

These two trays are on their second flush, definitely better than the first as I am still learning what they like:

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Tray on the left is 1 quart of coffee/coir to 1 quart of grain and the right is just cased grain, both fruiting in a monotub. 

 

Looking forward to learning from yall!

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 02:06 PM

@ yoshi, I think that is the right way to do these once we’re looking for yield. 2” sub and maximum surface area for fruiting is ideal I think. We can drown them to hydrate and they seem to like it.
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Posted 28 February 2021 - 02:31 PM

Second Flush nearing harvest now

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 05:28 PM

Hey Ambrose! Good to see you over here. Love your grows.


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Posted 28 February 2021 - 05:36 PM

@Ambrose are those var Convexa?

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 06:18 PM

Hey Asura, good to see you too, and thank you!
It's nice to see some familiar faces here!

Jrotten yeah they're convexa as far as I know(which isn't much.) One thing that I find interesting with these is how varied the fruits can look depending on the conditions.
At first I tried a greenhouse but had trouble dialing it in. They had a much different appearance with curled caps and thicker shorter stems. After moving them into a monotub(cube like conditions,) they look like above, long slender stems and different caps. Like others have noted previously they do not seem to mind being neglected which is nice.

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 07:46 PM

Do you know the rough age of these fruits? I have fruited in the same FC as pans and I have a very wet FC, but I have never grown anything in a mono etc. I’m just curious where these are at in development.

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Posted 28 February 2021 - 08:24 PM

The fruit with the dark caps are 17 days old since pins, the one with the brighter orange caps are about 7 days old.
I'd definitely recommend giving a mono or shoebox a shot just to see how it goes(very simple, no tech involved which for me is a bonus.)

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Posted 04 March 2021 - 12:03 AM

Congrats on getting off papers I got off 7 years of probations last year and it's so weird not having them control every aspect of my life anymore. It shows me just how institutionalized I am from years of reprogramming from the system. Freedom is truly a blessing. Cherish it... hold it dear... never give it away..
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Posted 04 March 2021 - 01:34 AM

hehe, mycotopia new account probation is what I meant!

Been fortunate enough never to have dealt with real probation *knocks on wood*  :tinfoil:

 

Glad to hear you're free man, I don't even want to imagine what that would be like. 

Take care and stay safe 



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Posted 04 March 2021 - 11:56 AM

Probably going to harvest today :cool:

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 05:42 PM

I thought I would report on that tincture again. It has been almost two months since the last test. I am not sure if there is a limit to how much of the active can be extracted or if it is the lack of efficiency of the alcohol as far as extraction of the alkaloids. (We all know that water extraction is more efficient for this except decay is rapid). 

Anywho, I took another identical-sized dose with the same results as my first test (although it lasted a few hours longer). I guess (as far as my testing is concerned), at month five(ish) there is no notable increase in potency. My next test will be how long the tincture will remain viable when stored correctly. I am going to store it in a cool dry place with a tight seal. 

I am still involved in home renovations. I am still not growing anything. My grow room project is on hold due to budget issues. I hope to get back to it soon, I really miss growing!


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