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#21 DonShadow

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 04:02 PM

Psilocybe cyanescens is a much more common/obtainable species and I think that it too would be worthy of experimentation. I've noticed heavy blueing of cyanescens mycelium on agar, so I suspect it is a worthy candidate as well. I see no reason not to experiment with any and all psilocybin species in this way.


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Posted 11 November 2019 - 05:32 PM

Hopefully in time, some of these species will become less hard-to-find, maybe as a result of this tek. I'm working to try and disseminate P. hoogshagenii/semperviva with this in mind, as this species seems to work very well with this tek in mind, it's resilient, easy to fruit and the mushrooms are highly potent and held in great shamanic reverence by indigenous groups in Mexico. Definitely a species worthy of far more attention than it currently receives I think.


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Posted 11 November 2019 - 08:17 PM

This is an interesting project you guys have going, but one thing has been overlooked. If your going to systematically grow out every species you can get and consolidate for months then when you empty the jars, before drying, you should pick through the grain and look for any little sclerotia. Even just 1/4" stones that could easily be overlooked could signal an opportunity for selectively breeding a new stone producer bloodline. I doubt all the sclerotia producers have been found yet.

Something to keep in mind, anyway.


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Posted 14 November 2019 - 01:09 PM

Asura, a month ago over on the shr°°mery, in the Pan. cinctulus explorers thread, you indicated that you might just boil up the myceliated grain along with its numerous pin prick pseudosclerotia for an assay. Did you get around to that?



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Posted 14 November 2019 - 11:09 PM

I had a mild experience. Nothing worth talking about really. I wasn't going to mention it because I didn't

know if it was the little stones or the myc. I threw out my pan cyan test because it died when I

crumbled it, so I am not going to be able to test this until December when the caerulescens is

finished. 

 

My pseudoaztecorum is growing out nicely too. The bag even has a few bluing grains here and there.


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 02:17 AM

Given the very positive attention that Lion's Mane has been receiving lately, it's worth mentioning that this TEK is equally effective for cultivating Lion's Mane mycelium on rice. According to Paul Stamets, the mushroom mycelia is actually more abundant with hericenones and erinacines than the fruitbodies, so one could easily dehydrate inoculated rice and grind it up to add to smoothies etc. I eat it almost every day personally. I just inoculate jars of rice, break up the spawn and cook the fresh rice spawn up with eggs and vegetables for breakfast, or add to soups, smoothies etc. It's easy to make large quantities, it tastes great and it costs only a fraction of the price of mass-produced product.


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 12:03 PM

There seems to be a lot of controversy around the point of mycelium versus fruitbody potency, and I’m having trouble finding a reference to confirm what Paul said in the interview. It seems that the mycelium produces various substances that are not present in the fruitbody, as it has to defend against underground predation. It seems that both the fruitbodies and the mycelia produce unique compounds independent from one another but the varying quantities produced by each is not well established. I attended a lecture by Dr. John Holliday, vice-president of the international society for medicinal mushrooms, and he stated that eating fruitbodies, mycelia and the substrate of most medicinal fungi is recommended for maximum benefit.

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#28 ElrikEriksson

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 01:19 PM

I'm interested in your experience eating gourmet mycelium spawn.

How would you describe the flavour of lions mane spawn?

What about others, like shiitake?

Does a protracted consolidation period significantly strengthen or enhance the complexity of it?

 

I have five full plates of shiitake mycelium from a nearly concluded experiment, now I'm imagining the things I could make with shiitake flavoured rice :laugh:


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Posted 19 November 2019 - 07:08 PM

Seeing how easy it is to grow out on rice and the prices Stammet's is charging, I'm sure the science will show up soon, right?

 

I am going to put a bunch of medicinals to rice shortly to start supplementing with it. I get blood work every 6 months

so I am hoping to see something positive there. Maybe it will miraculously shrink my prostate, too  :meditate:

 

Speaking of lion's mane, any of ya'll ever stack it with cubes? I have a friend who is an experienced tripper that stacked

it with 1.5g of APE and he says it blew the doors off. Caught him totally by surprise. Not sure why that would happen

other than those APE were really strong  :biggrin:


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#30 DonShadow

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Posted 19 November 2019 - 08:12 PM

Lion's Mane is one of my favorite mushrooms to eat. It has a mild seafood flavor, almost like crab or lobster. The mycelium tastes similar to the fruitbodies, and compliments the flavor of the rice very well. The longer you incubate it the better it tastes.


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Posted 03 December 2019 - 04:13 PM

Ok I'm going to just repost the pics here in the correct thread. As mentioned in the other one, this brown rice has incubated for 2 months and 1 week. During drying it turns dark blue. Dried for 10hrs at 122°F.

 

Monday evening I had the opportunity to test it out. I decided to start with 6 tablespoons simmered in 2.5 cups of water for 20 minutes, and ended up with roughly 1 3/4c of liquid. I then added some raw cacoa powder and a touch of honey to knock the bitterness down. It was a cool night so a cup of hot chocolate was appropriate. As soon as it was cool enough to gulp I drank it within 5 minutes and then went and laid down on my bed in darkness so that there wasn't any outside influences for the testing. 

 

It started to come on within 15min, zero body load and for the duration it was as clean as it comes. In total, from come up and back baseline was just under 3hrs. Peak was about 1hr 15min in at a solid "Level 3" trip and slowly tapered off from there. All in all it was a very good experience. 

 

I will definitely continue working with this method, not only on different grains but to also to try other species. I also have more that's incubating that I will let go for the full 3 months to possibly increase potency some. It doesn't get any easier than this for those who are still wondering. I will continue uping the dosage as well to see how it affects the duration of the trip.

 

Thanks to Elfstone and Don Shadow for bringing this to my attention, and to Don for this easy to follow grain tek, for that I am grateful! I will fully attest to the fact that the semperviva is indeed very active at the mycelium level, and I'm super excited that it all worked out fine!

 

 

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#32 Asura

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 06:45 PM

Hey Mush, what was the species?



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Posted 03 December 2019 - 07:14 PM

Hey Mush, what was the species?


Ps. Hoogshagenii (Semperviva)

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:08 PM

Cool man. I've got a bag of that going as well. Thanks for storming the frontiers. I will go 6-7 tablespoons based

on your report.


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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:15 PM

Thanks for that great report Mushinist, I’m really glad it worked out for you! I wonder how mushy the rice was after simmering for 20 minutes? Was it difficult to filter, and did you try to squeeze out the liquid absorbed by the rice? I wonder how the potency might be affected by different grains... 8 tbsp of barley was at least on par with 3g semperviva fruits, which I would rate around the 6-7g cubensis level. I wonder how you would equate the potency in terms of dried cubensis?
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#36 Mushinist

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Posted 03 December 2019 - 08:36 PM

Surprisingly the rice didn't get that mushy, it did still soak up a bit of water, but not as much as I expected. The cooked liquid was also not as starchy as I was expecting either, hardly any smell, only slightly had a smell of rice. I decanted slowly from the small pan that was used and I only used a spoon to kind of squeeze a little liquid out from the cooked rice. I will be starting some other grains here soon to get them going and see if there are any differences.

I cant really compare to semperviva fruits as I have not had them yet. As for cubes, 3.5- 4g of PE, cubes are so varied on potency that it's hard to compare, but close enough lol, I can say I liked it better!
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#37 DonShadow

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 05:58 PM

Great to hear that rice works for tea, I’ve only sampled it as flour. So far I’ve tried semperviva on rice, millet, wheat (all consumed as flour), rye, oats, barley, spelt and wheat (brewed in tea). By far the cleanest and lowest body load was oats and barley (8 tablespoons brewed in tea). 8 tbsp of rice flour was potent as hell but felt like a full meal, I won’t be doing that again. I’m looking forward to rice tea. I have caerulescens ready on a variety of grains now but haven’t had a chance I try it out yet. Hopefully on Friday I’ll get around to it. I have some healthy zapotecorum mycelium on agar now, I’ll definitely give that one a shot too.

On a side note, the mycelium grain would surely be a great way to do the Paul Stamets stack. Ground psilocybe brown rice could be easily capsuled or added to smoothies and combined with Lion’s Mane (also DIY’d on rice) and niacin. I haven’t tried it yet but I plan to start doing so.

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#38 DonShadow

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 01:29 PM

I’ve started taking Lion’s Mane/psilocybin/niacin by adding ground myceliated rice to my breakfast smoothie.

I blended carrots, beets, blueberries, bananas, kale, dried figs, yogourt and oat milk with 1 teaspoon (3g) of ground semperviva rice and 1 tablespoon (10g) ground Lion’s Mane rice. Each full blender is three servings, so each day I consume roughly 1g psilocybe rice and 3g Lion’s Mane rice. I take two 100mg tablets of niacin (aka nicotinic acid or vitamin B3). The flush is pretty intense at first but after awhile it feels very good, creating a warm relaxing feeling through the body.

Two hours in and the effect is quite pronounced. I feel very clear, focused, attentive and motivated. The temptation to procrastinate is greatly diminished. So far so good!

From left to right: Ground Lion’s Mane rice, ground Ps. semperviva rice and niacin. The rice flour is stored with desiccant packs:

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It’s worth noting that Paul Stamets’ Host Defense Lion’s Mane products are also 100% mycelium on brown rice:

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#39 Mushinist

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 02:48 PM

Do you like that flushing feeling from the niacin? I hate that feeling, because after the hot flushing goes away my skin seems super sensitive and causes me to itch all over, to the point it drives me nuts, if I were to take it now I'd have to go with the non-flushing kind. The rest of that recipe sounds great though!

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Posted 06 December 2019 - 03:30 PM

the IDEA  Paul Stamets had to add the niacin was suggested buy him  as a way to produce micro doses  that pharmasutical Co. could  claim  couldn't  be ...."abused " ...to trip . This way   the patient wouldn't take ten of the micro doses to trip , because the flush would be to unpleasant.

i heard a talk were Paul  explained this adition of Niacin as way to get big pharma FDA ect  to be ok with it.

 

so unless you FEAR   being TEMPTED to trip OH NO! you can probably just keep the lions main and leave the niacin out of your micro dose stack ... 


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