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#1 cortez

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 05:08 AM

I think it was yesterday or 2 days aggo that Pope Benedict XVI quoted a Byzantian emperor of the 14th century on TV.
"Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

After the long dialogue of pope John II, pope Benedict smashes this directly with one sentence. And then they wonder why so less people still go to the church.

PS: Pope Benedict knew that there would be some reaction, so what is his purpose?

#2 Hippie3

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Posted 17 September 2006 - 07:18 AM

maybe he got tired
of having to live in fear of islamist retribution
for expressing an opinion, reading a cartoon, etc.

maybe he thinks it is time to tell some truth about
the ugly nature of islamist conquests and aggressions,
intolerance and hypocrisy .

maybe he sees the danger for christians and jews and hindus,
even atheists and agnostics
of islamist expansionism and wanted to warn people
to stand up and resist before it's too late.

#3 Invader Zim

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 10:42 AM

im not saying that his remarks werent warranted. and im not saying that he wasnt right. nor am i in anyway in support of islamic extremists, but i found his remarks kind of hypocritical. how many wars have been waged in the name of catholisisim? how many deaths at the hands of the inquisition? not to mention that the pope was once a nazis child soldier himself....

now i realize that he himself did not commit these tragedies, but he is the ambasador of his religion. kind of like saying bush didnt fly a plane into the towers eh.

maybe they could have found someone else to say it? :)

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 11:55 AM

Not trying to defend the pope, but i heard from a nazi soldiers own mouth that there was no choice when it came to being in the nazi youth movement. You were a kid you were in it. I admire this popes courage for telling the truth. Islam extremism should be eradicated. I say tell Israel to have at the bastards.

#5 Hippie3

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 12:15 PM

not to mention that the pope was once a nazis child soldier himself....


you should be ashamed of yourself
for using such a shoddy tactic
to smear a man like that.
not to mention indeed.

#6 cortez

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 02:17 PM

Yep that's true, in those days you were obligated to join them.

Everybody has got his own opinion, but as pope you don't express them in public. In Somalia a non was murdered, of course this isn't the pope's fault but he was the katalysator.

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 02:31 PM

haha ok ok that was a bit under the belt there i guess.

#8 Hippie3

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:05 PM

Everybody has got his own opinion, but as pope you don't express them in public.

on the contrary
the pope's job is to speak
publicly
to, for and about
christians and christianity.

it's just that people have become afraid to
speak out critically about islam
as everyone knows the consequences-
nuns and priests gunned down,
innocents bombed, slaughtered and burned,
riots and war.

the mullahs hold the entire world hostage with fear,
the chilling grip of terrorism upon us
is starkly evident
when one is afraid to even speak.

and look-
already you blame the pope
for the murder committed by a muslim.

In Somalia a non was murdered,... he was the katalysator. [sic]



#9 fungalsporesolution

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:26 PM

hey chillout

not all islams beleive in that extremist shit

i have many islamic friends

one named Islam!

and he is the nicest person i know :dance:

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:48 PM

The next time you read or hear of a terror attack what group of people will you think of as the responsible party?

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:50 PM

The next time you read or hear of a terror attack what group of people will you think of as the responsible party?


Al-Queda, osama, ??

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 03:56 PM

I agree with you, fss. Not all islamic/muslim people believe in violence but you have to admit that when a group of people are bombed you will think that it is motivated by an extremist islamic view.

The same way one might think of a bombed abortion clinic being spawned from the view of an extremist christian.

#13 Hippie3

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 04:25 PM

i don't see anyone making a blanket claim that all muslims are violent
but the fact is that
many are,
and their history is one of violent conquest of their neighbors,
and their political present is one
of repression of women and intolerance for other religions;

even the most 'enlightened' muslim states
forbid free worship
and routinely execute muslims who try to convert
to any other religion.

and i won't be muzzled by a
so-called political correctness
that places harmony above fact.
it's my hope that neither will the pope.

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 06:14 PM

I am personaly very tired of hearing about how the poor muslims are offended.
They(the muslims) have proved the popes point about them being violent barbarians by thier own actions. Killing a Num...burning Churches...Good Grief.

#15 fungalsporesolution

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 06:38 PM

I am personaly very tired of hearing about how the poor muslims are offended.
They(the muslims) have proved the popes point about them being violent barbarians by thier own actions. Killing a Num...burning Churches...Good Grief.


muslims

the popes remarks were about islamics, friend

read the post

in any situation. you cant say they are violent barbarians

you can say alot of them are, or they have groups of (___)

but not every islam or muslim for thatmatter agrees with what is going on over there

and you are naive to think so

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 06:44 PM

I think the Pope knew what he was doing when he made the quotation that was made. I wish he would not be so apologetic for having read the material he chose to quote.

If a Muslim is offended when a Christian or a Jew slanders the prophet Mohammed and a Christian is offended when a Muslim or Jew denies the deity of Jesus Christ and a Jew is offended when a Muslim says Ishmael was the chosen son of Abraham or the Christian says Jesus Christ is the son of God then which one was offended the most and has the right to kill the other two?

#17 Hippie3

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 08:12 PM

in any culture
people should be able to
express their opinion
without fear of being murdered for it.
that's a basic human right
and no religion has the legitimate authority
to disregard the rights of the people.

...not all islams beleive in that extremist shit....
....muslims

the popes remarks were about islamics, friend

read the post


don't correct people if you don't even know
that to be a muslim is to be islamic,
the religion is islam, its' devotees are muslim.
one and the same, interchangeable.
except they are NOT called 'islamics' or 'islams';
they are called muslims.

#18 fungalsporesolution

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Posted 18 September 2006 - 08:46 PM

whatever

i was wrong

i was just trying to express that to say things like "they shoot people" or "they killed nuns' is kinda wrong

just clarify mabye say muslim extremists shoot ppl, kil nuns etc

so no one gets offended

#19 Hippie3

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Posted 19 September 2006 - 08:09 AM

sometimes just telling the truth
offends people who do not want to hear the truth,
some who do not want others to hear the truth either.

but one should not be silent
about the murder, the torture, the oppression
just because it might offend someone.

that is the whole point to WHY these jihadists kill innocent men, women and children-
to silence anyone who would dare speak out
against them or their dogma.

by refusing to speak the truth
we politely give in to their terrorism.
and in doing so
we show them that
killing nuns is an effective way to
silence their critics
and so even more get killed.

the history of mankind should have taught us
that there is but one effective way to deal with
violent ruthless maniacs
and that is to become even more violent on them,
until they learn the same fear
that they try to instill in others.

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Posted 19 September 2006 - 08:25 AM

I don't blame the pope one bit for quoting that verse. That Byzantine emperor seemed to know what he was talking about.

You don't see christians and mormons flying planes into buildings and burning flags every other day. But what you do see is muslims killing civilians every other day, so how should the free world interpret such actions?

Just go to Saudi Arabia and read the childrens text books and see how many references you can find about the infidels across the ocean. Or the great Satan America.

I am totally sick of the double standard in this world of catering to extremists. I don't think that the free world should have to bend a knee to radical Islam. Frankly I'm glad that there's a pope like that, maybe it's a fresh start for Christianity.




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