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#121 mycot

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:21 PM

LOL
you sit in judgement
saying that social sanction and legality is not enough
but by what authority do you decree such ?
are you speaking for god ?
:lol:

society trumps the individual
and defines what is right or wrong across time and space,
not just one mortal man.
and my statement is not mere philosophical musing
but the hard reality of the situation,
as the courts and the prisons attest.

society makes the rules
and sanctions judicial punishments including death.

our species has already lived in a world
where every man did what was right in his own eyes
and we turned our back on that kind of social organisation
when we invented civilization and began writing codes of law
that over-ruled the individual and imposed standards for everyone.

the new rule was one law, one gun-
only the government has the right to kill under our system.
someone who usurps that authority is a murderer,
not a 'freedom fighter'.

Rebellion and dissent has its place in society so yes I do speak for god.:lol:

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"you sit in judgement saying that social santion and legality is not enough"
Quote:
"but ignore the stoning to death of women accused of adultery"

And so apparently do you.


Society's interests trump those of government.
This last statement is to be taken in itself.

#122 Hippie3

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 07:34 PM

i'm speaking not just of local/micro 'societies',
those still contain many aberrations
such as the abuse of women, vestiges of an old world slowly passing away.

i am speaking of human society as one whole-
one planet, one species, one society, one law.
the United Nations voted several decades ago
to guaranty certain minimum human rights,
rights that apply in every nation
no matter what local ordinance might decree.

for example, one of those rights is the right of women to an education
equal to that offered to men.
this is now the social norm for our 'society' -
even if certain recalcitrant segments still resist.

their archaic parochial 'society' does not trump our global society,
again applying the principle of democracy - majority rule decides.

and the less than one billion fundamentalists
who would still hold women in bondage
must comply with the ruling
of the other five billion-
to set them free.

to refuse to comply is to move outside the global society
and those who do become outlaws, rogues-
the enemy of those of us who seek
worldwide human rights, safety, prosperity, peace and security.

#123 mycot

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 09:36 PM

I think in some sense we're both right here Hip. Cheers.:eusa_danc

#124 laughingsamsdice

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 04:12 PM

:eusa_pray :eusa_pray Wow! I'm really impressed by you Hippie3. Altho' i haven't read every word in this thread ( Too drunk) i must say that you're being brave here:bow: And i 'm sad to say-the sad thing is that islam has so many followers ready to go to "war" when virtually none of them believes in the shit that's being prophezised to them. Islam=Antichrist . And yet they're our own people...The beast is right among us..Be afraid... :eusa_pray Forget the tv-preachers and the other money-hungry beasts-they're even worse.. In the Us it's just ridiculous.. Wake up !!!

#125 laughingsamsdice

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 04:30 PM

As a christian i will love you all the way down there and plead with you not to go there...:heartbeat

#126 Lefty

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:10 PM

Get off the Heroin. It sure as shit ain't helpin'.

#127 laughingsamsdice

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:25 PM

There's probably not a living soul here who's on heroin Lefty..:heart:

#128 Lefty

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:28 PM

Another bold assumption with little or no factual basis. I better quit before I say something hilarious.

#129 the jesus

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:31 PM

uh oh.

#130 Lefty

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 05:36 PM

You editted. I didn't.

#131 laughingsamsdice

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 06:16 PM

Oh what the hell! Come over here and let me give you a big juicy hug Lefty! ..Come on now-you know you need one....!:hugs:

#132 Lefty

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 06:38 PM

She is coming home in just a bit, but I do thank you for you offer. Tell you what, I'll do a take off of your next post in your honor, as long as you do it before you sober up. Please expound. We're cool, no worries LSD.

#133 maidenofiron

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 08:54 PM

sorry if this was covered earlier, i havent read the whole post...

so whats up with the US (government) being best buddies with Saudi Arabia? they are the most fundamentalist islamic state in the world (supplying most of the 9/11 hijackers)! Yet where are they in the media? we rarely speak of them at all when it comes to islamic fundamentalism and human rights abuses. same goes with israeli support. they are of great strategic importance and because of it we never speak up about the massive amounts of human rights abuses and killing of palestinians (or dont know about it because of lacking mainstream media coverage of it).

is it not obvious that the US is motivated by profits and acquiring middle eastern dominance, and not by "freedom" or "justice"?

#134 the jesus

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 09:18 PM

Who is it that doesn't speak of the 911 hijackers being from Saudi Arabia, and of the land taking and killing going on in Israeli settlements on Palestinian land?

Just because someone is a citizen of a country, it doesn't mean that country is responsible for their crimes or holds their same views politically. Saudi Arabia is an ally. I think it is a good idea to keep it that way, especially in these times when we have so precious few.

As for Israel, I think the media coverage of late has been biased more on the side of the Palestinians. For good reason mind you, but I don't think many informed people are blind to what is going on.

I guess what I am saying is that I am not so sure that people are as ignorant as you think.

#135 maidenofiron

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 10:22 PM

but if that is so, i am dissapointed by the american publics continued acceptance of the US support of israels crimes. tax dollars hard at work ill say.

but if people do honestly know whats going on in the israel/palestine conflict, then why are so many surprised or critical of them when palestinians fight back? (off topic, sorry)

#136 the jesus

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Posted 16 March 2007 - 10:44 PM

Again I am not sure who you speak of. If there was the amount of acceptance for Israeli aggression you claim there is then the Israelis would not be leaving their settlements on Palestinian lands. They didn't just decide to move, it was forced on them by international pressure, of which the United States was a big part.




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