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#1 Fungi2b

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 07:33 PM

Has anyone ever tried adding Orbeez (use to be called water crystals or water beads).
They use to be used in houseplants to keep the soil moist, now they are a kids toy. They look like this after soaking up water.20200211_192709.jpg I was thinking of messing around with them as a additive to substrate to give the myc more water to pull from. Unless it's been done already and proven a bad idea.
I was maybe gonna use them as a layer in the middle or at the bottom of my tubs. Maybe even just mixing them in the sub, maybe all 3 ways.
But like I said if you guy have already tried this or know anything about it or even just have some ideas on the subject let me know so I don't waste time.

I don't think they will survive the p.c so I was gonna do some type of chemical sterilization on them b4 I add them. Any ideas on that?

Edited by Fungi2b, 11 February 2020 - 07:35 PM.

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#2 YoshiTrainer

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 08:05 PM

I think you are right about not PCing them. FYI, strong bleach solution will melt them in about 3 days. I have a bunch of them dehydrated and have thought about soaking and using them instead of perlite in a tub.

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 09:11 PM

I was thinking a iso bath followed by distilled water rinse.

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 10:32 PM

ISO with a rinse sounds like a good idea! Maybe try a shoebox sized grow or smaller to test it out?

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 10:58 PM

Yeah def would do a small side by side one with and one without to see if it makes any difference.

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 11:42 AM

I was making spawn jars last night when I was thinking about this. I put a few Orbeez in one of the jars and ran it through. I opened the p.c today and was very surprised, they maintained there shape!
Now that I know that, it kinda makes me think I'm on to something here. Surly I'm not the first person to think of this.......right? Has anyone hear tried this?

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 12:12 PM

If they can handle 150-160f, you may be able to use them in substrate....

 

@coorsmikey has some interest in these doobers....


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Posted 12 February 2020 - 12:20 PM

They made it through 90 mins @15lbs.
Do you know if he has tried it or has a thread about it you can link me to?

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 03:17 PM

Great info Fungi2b, now we know they can be PCed, that opens up some interesting experiments!

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 03:39 PM

Yes I'm currently running a jar that's 25% Orbeez and 75% sub for my test runs. Im gonna do a few lil tubs as side by sides using the orbeez different ways to see what happens.
I can't believe they didn't melt.



I stunned that no one has did this yet, surly someone has at some point.
If not I may have myself a new tek to write up, that would be exciting.

Edited by Fungi2b, 12 February 2020 - 03:41 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2020 - 03:45 PM

Another thought comes to mind, what if I was to rehydrate them using soak water from my grain? You guys think that they would suck up any nutes? That would really give the myc a boost having not only h2o but food also. As long as they are not used on the surface of the sub they shouldn't attract tams I think.

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 03:47 PM

If they can handle 150-160f, you may be able to use them in substrate....
 
@coorsmikey has some interest in these doobers....


If I do a @ before a name will that person get a notice that I am talking to them?

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 05:19 PM

P.c is done and it looks like the jar is fine.
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So it looks like we r on our way
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Posted 12 February 2020 - 06:27 PM

Following this!
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Posted 26 February 2020 - 08:37 PM

Any news on the. Dem orbeez?

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Posted 27 February 2020 - 04:00 PM

So you are sterilizing your substrate rather than pasteurizing it? Are you using coir and verm only? I am a little confused as to the tek you are using...



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 05:47 PM

I have been p.cing it, been looking into pasteurization tho because I'd like to move to bigger tubs. I havnt done anything but make that one jar so far. I have to get some bigger tubs going to free up my dubs for doing lil goof off projects, should be soon.
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Posted 12 March 2020 - 02:43 AM

So you are sterilizing your substrate rather than pasteurizing it? Are you using coir and verm only? I am a little confused as to the tek you are using...

Not really following ant particular tek, just wanna know if they can be useful.

Today I p.ced sone full qts. Of them to be used in little test tubs. Was thinking of making one with layer at the bottom, another with a layer in the middle, one with them just mixed into the sub and a final tub that's just a normal tub for comparison.

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They didn't melt or explode so it's a start.
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#19 Fungi2b

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Posted 12 March 2020 - 02:44 AM

Do you guys think I should add spawn to the orbeez that I'm gonna use in the layered tubs?

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Posted 14 March 2020 - 02:48 PM

O.k so I p.ced a bunch of orbeezs and made 3 test tubs. They are about half the volume of a standard dub tub. One has them layered at the bottom one has a layer in the middle and the 3rd has them all just mixed Into the sub. There all in one of my titis now so in a week or so I'll check them out and see how there coming along.
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