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#2081 Juthro

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Posted 02 February 2022 - 04:13 PM

I think it's notable that FAUX news is getting some backlash for putting ex Washington state trooper on a pedestal for quitting his job, and telling the governor to kiss his ass instead of becoming vaccinated, but now completely silent about him now that he died from COVID.  Adamant anti vaxxers dying from COVID seems to be a reoccurring trend, just in case anybody missed it

 

I also don't have any respect, or sympathy for the members of our armed forces that are about to get kicked out for refusing to be vaccinated.   They are all a bunch of spoiled little bitches IMO.  I know about all the vaccines those troops had already got, and yet they are going to cry about the COVID vaccine?  I'm tiered of this crap, I'm glad they are finely kicking their cry baby asses to the curb.  I hope they all get an other than honorable discharge, so they don't get enjoy the benefits of serving.

 

 



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Posted 02 February 2022 - 04:32 PM

A trucker sitting high up in his cab behind the wheel of a 10,000 pound vehicle was no match for four residents of Ottawa who have had enough of anti-vax protesters trashing their city and terrorizing their neighbors.

A photo of four people standing in the middle of a downtown Ottawa street to block a big truck is making the rounds on social media. The CBC caught up with three of the people who stood up to the protester, who described themselves as “ladies of a certain age.”

Marika Morris saw the picture of herself and her neighbors Lise Lebeau and Andrea Colbert circulating on social media, where she came forward with her story on Facebook.

That is me and my neighbours blocking the path of a convoy truck that slowly ambled its way down our street, honking, blocking all traffic, while a line of cars behind it also honked. They have been circling around residential downtown Ottawa streets all day, for the past three days. There are also some people yelling and now I hear a vuvuzela. Some of the trucks coming down the street sound like a locomotive, and it is very disruptive. We wanted to show them we do not support what they are doing.

I’m the one who made a thumbs down sign everytime the truck honked. Some unknown person took this picture and posted it to Reddit. He or she said “Three older ladies just blocked a small convoy led by a dump truck. They were fantastic and are my new heroes”

The people in the truck and a protester on foot recorded us on their cellphones, so I don’t know if that has been circulating. We also got yelled at by another bystander.

Truck horns blared in the background as the three women told CBC that the anti-vaccine mandate protesters clearly don’t care if their fellow Canadians who live in Ottawa feel safe or free:

“The driver got very mad and he was honking,” explained Lebeau, who said their impromptu blockade lasted only a few minutes before the women allowed the trucks to drive past.

“They got more belligerent, really aggressive, and were yelling at us,” said Colbert.

Morris said the vehicles blocked every entry and exit for emergency vehicles.

“I know they don’t care whether we live or die, but I certainly do care whether my neighbours live or die — so I wasn’t going to stand there for too long.”

Morris said she typically sees people walking dogs all hours of the day — but the street has been barren for days. She knows of at least one child who’s afraid to step outside, and says the vehicles are preventing some elderly residents from getting their prescription medications or grocery deliveries.

Morris said she was “choking on the way to the pharmacy” on vehicle exhaust fumes as they idled nearby. Lebeau, who has difficulty breathing, said she had to rely on her puffer more in the past few days.

The women also allege some people have defecated in the neighbourhood yards.

“They say they’re doing this for freedom? Well we don’t feel free, that’s for sure,” said Morris.

These women aren’t only brave for standing up to a bully, they’re brave for coming forward and identifying themselves. The person who took the photograph asked not to be named by the CBC for fear of reprisals.

I can see why these ladies took matters into their own hands, as police have been incredibly hesitant to protect the people of Ottawa. So far only two arrests have been made in connection with the protest, according to Ottawa Citizen, one was arrested for with carrying a gun to a public meeting and another for mischief under $5,000. Protesters even continue to block off an international border crossing between Coutts, Alberta and Sweetgrass, Montana. Officials denounced the blockage as “unlawful” but the blockage remains even after a protester tried to ram a RCMP officer as they broke through barricades in Coutts (though Mounties are making a second attempt to break up the blockade on Wednesday.) Compare the RCMP’s treatment of First Nation protesters just a few months ago who blocked an access road on their land to a pipeline who were cleared out after just four days with multiple arrests made.

Police say while they do have numerous investigations ongoing in connection to the protest, they are focusing on de-escalation while spending $800,000 a day to keep the peace. But when old ladies need to stand up to bullies in the streets for their fellow citizens, one has to wonder if that all that money is being put to good use.

https://www.msn.com/...phJm?li=BBnbfcL

 

Another fine example of a large group of ass hats acting like spoiled little children.   The police need to step up and do their f'ing job.


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Posted 03 February 2022 - 11:08 AM

The truckers involved all have to be owner-operators or very small companies since I doubt that (and would be surprised if) any major trucking companies would want their logo front-and-center in this "protest."

 

I wonder how much money they're giving up by doing this shit instead of hauling loads since I hear demand is kind of high right now. And when it's over it might be hard to regain that business once former customers have shifted to using operators or companies that didn't throw a Facebook-inspired tantrum.

 

But I guess self-owns like this are on-brand, just like strident anti-vaxxers who dying from the thing the vaccine could have maybe helped them not die from.

 

And I'm not sure if it's funny or disturbing (I guess it can be both) but apparently the term "anti-vaxxer" is now common enough to have a "correct" spelling since the search results ask "did you mean..." and spells it with two x's if I only use one in a search query.

 

This was hilarious:

 

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So is the new hashtag I've seen popping up lately: #flutrucksklan

 

 

But now I'm wondering if the organizers will be sued for plagiarism (this is uncanny, and probably how most of them actually see themselves):

 

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Posted 03 February 2022 - 02:02 PM

Meanwhile in the world of science:
"The New York Times
In New York City Sewage, a Mysterious Coronavirus Signal"
 
"Last January, a team of researchers searching for the coronavirus in New York City’s wastewater spotted something strange in their samples. The viral fragments they found had a unique constellation of mutations that had never been reported before in human patients — a potential sign of a new, previously undetected variant." ... rest of article at:
 


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Posted 03 February 2022 - 11:38 PM

Re: the truckers, & the US in general, etc. ... and in contrast .... a sane country ... worth watching to the end IMO

 

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Posted 04 February 2022 - 05:06 AM

WTF, these ass hats are flying rebel confederate flags, and Nazi Swastika's ?  For fucks sake, they don't have enough brains of their own to come up with their own ideology, and symbol of such?  IMHO they are no better then the shit bags that desiccated the capitol on 1-6.

 

I firmly stand against these MF'ers, and I wish the Canuck arthurites would grow a set, and deal with them like the bastards that they are.

 

Cough, cough, sneeze, sneeze, and here is your load of produce....   I bet you that it effects me more then most people in the US, but I don't care.  I don't want none of of you Canuck bastards delivering to grocers on my side of the boarder.  I'm willing to take the hit for some higher prices, and lower quality before I support these shit bags.   I've got more to say, but I wont do it here.

 


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Posted 04 February 2022 - 05:42 AM

.....Just Sayin.....

 

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Posted 04 February 2022 - 05:52 AM

I understand you brother, I really do......   but I've got strong feelings on this, and I feel I need to call it like I see it.


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Posted 04 February 2022 - 12:02 PM

I think the historic "one-drop rule" (which was codified into law for a while) of racial classification (i.e., you were considered 100% black for legal purposes if you had "one drop" of black ancestry) should be applied to extremists.

 

If your group of hundreds, thousands, or even millions has even ONE Nazi tolerated within it then you're a group of Nazis and should be treated as such. Fair is fair, right?

 

 

 

It seems to me that sane, rational, empathetic, and intelligent people being too chill about agenda-driven insanity is how the agenda-driven insanity metastasized throughout the U.S. and into Canada to the degree that it might ultimately collapse both.

 

My ex's grandfather read Mein Kampf  in Germany in the 1930's, and was the only one in his extended family to take the "Crazy little man who will never be in power" (according to his relatives) seriously. He barely got them all out in time. They started a new life in what became Israel while most of their former friends and neighbors were killed. It appears that occasionally timing really IS everything, at least if you want to survive.

 

That was an important lesson in being "alarmist" to me, since it made it vividly clear that taking Very Bad Things seriously before they manifest their consequences upon us may well be the only chance we'll ever have to avoid them.

 

At some point it's time to put down the bong and either resist the madness or flee from it (or join it, I guess), assuming we're not already resigned to passively accepting whatever comes.

 

I still get caught up in the hopeful possibilities of humanity turning things around and saving civilization from itself since the existential consequences of global warming have not really begun to kick our collective ass quite yet, and that makes what's coming seem abstract and distant which IMO is precisely why we've let it go way too far to fix.

 

As long as I can swing a hammer I'll always have plenty of work thanks to the ubiquity of neglected maintenance even for houses the owners are deeply invested in, not to mention living in them. If so many people are willing to let their own homes decay around them even while they're living in them then there's little hope for collective action at the planetary scale required to accomplish anything relevant.

 

That said, since the vast majority of people I know or interact with don't in fact take much of this very seriously (judging by their actions, or lack thereof), I'm leaning more and more towards the passive-acceptance option and picking the bong back up. I keep trying to talk myself out of surrendering to the Idiocracy and embracing total decadence while the wine and cheese supplies last but it's getting harder by the day.

 

 

 

Once you've accepted that the party bus you're on has sailed off a cliff you might as well enjoy the party while it lasts since nothing else you can do is going to change the outcome. In a way, facing the collapse of civilization is kind of like facing one's own death. No fun at all, but mostly still abstract enough to ignore completely most of the time.

 

It's been hard living as an irrepressible optimist in this world. Even now, I STILL sometimes try to convince myself that we haven't sailed off the edge of that proverbial cliff quite yet and that there's time left to invent some sort of miracle brake to stop us just short of total disaster.

 

I guess the problem is that smooth sailing and free-fall feel the same. For a little while. And I have no idea what to do about it, or even if anything I decide to do would make any difference or otherwise matter at all.

 

 

 

And then there's the Cosmic Web. It looks like the neurons and ganglia of a brain, and I'm not the only person who has noticed that the Cosmic Web and our neural networks in our brains have an uncanny resemblance. If so then we might just be a passing thought of a much, much larger consciousness (in which case, no worries just keep observing and generating memories for the Universe on its quest to experience Everything, I guess).

 

 

Wait, what were we talking about?

 

 

 

 


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Posted 04 February 2022 - 04:16 PM

... I think it addresses, or attempts to address, the issue you raise, TV, :

 

Paul Chefurka: Post-doom with Michael Dowd

 

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who is Paul? The guy who made this website

 

http://www.approachingthelimits.com/

 

 

 

IMO covid is just a distraction from what's to come, but a very effective distraction; for the majority of folks; - not that it matters IMO. And no I'm not numbed out on weed, I'm just old enough, to be in the last chapter of life anyway, and have been attempting to familiarize myself with the teachings on impermanence, for years.


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Posted 04 February 2022 - 06:18 PM

another point of view

 

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Posted 05 February 2022 - 08:27 AM

Impermanence of leaves turning the seasons

Unit spirit's spark expressed for reason

Infinity of diversity, masquerade of one

Measurements aliased clocked by the sun

 

Single lesson grasped committed to spirit

A journey well spent wanders within limit

Most never approach even one truth

Veils of delusional masks built in youth

 

Carried forth and clutched seemingly til end

Well known common sense and bloody defend

Paradoxically nothing containing the all

Transformed water by spring and the fall

 

.......and still it remains regardless of the feelings.....

 

 

Omicron is the "vaccine" that apparently ALL will get a nice dose of.....some will.....

"Better" and "worse" are also coming.....who is the judge?

I pray that each penetrates their Karma deeply and deliberately....

One of these trips I'll be done coming here...

 

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Posted 06 February 2022 - 02:26 PM

The impermanence of what is good, beautiful, sustainable, cooperative, etc. is one thing.
 
Dealing with it is part of one's spiritual/psychological development and growth.
 
But deliberately destroying what is good, beautiful, sustainable, cooperative, and so on is something else (IMO).
 
I guess it can be argued that willful destruction is also a way that impermanence manifests but I doubt the ancient philosophers who first developed the concept had the human race developing a suicidally-rapacious and egregiously-unsustainable industrial society in mind.
 
Granted, it still applies to civilization in some sense since and "End" is an end whether it comes about spontaneously or by our actions. So long as there is still any life at all then it can re-emerge again. Heck, 40 million years from now the next advanced, self-aware species that reinvents Paleontology will be shocked to discover the holes we dug, which will be almost all that will be left of us by then (it will be their version of Göbekli Tepe!).


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 03:38 PM

The impermanence of what is good, beautiful, sustainable, cooperative, etc. is one thing.....
... I guess it can be argued that willful destruction is also a way that impermanence manifests but I doubt the ancient philosophers who first developed the concept had the human race developing a suicidally-rapacious and egregiously-unsustainable industrial society in mind. ...

 

.   One meditation teacher explained that what we usually take impermanence to be, is not what it means at a deeper level. Generally we take it to mean that cars rust, bananas go from ripe to rotten, and that we will die, sort of thing.

.   But he said what it really means is that there are no objects. In other words everything is both composite or pure process, or processes within processes.

.   I don't remember if he spelled it out, but of course this means, that, any notion of stability is, and always has been an illusion.

 

.   IMO partly due to our language being noun based, this illusion is fostered, and probably also due to the limitations of our sense organs, among other factors.


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Posted 07 February 2022 - 09:18 PM

We are in the middle of an on-going chain reaction, chemical, biological, processes are all connected in a 13.8 billion year long process... And that's only as far back as we can look... We are not separate from it.
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Posted 08 February 2022 - 12:16 PM

One of These Pictures Is the Brain, the Other is the Universe. Can You Tell Which is Which?

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Hippocampal mouse neuron studded with synaptic connections (yellow), courtesy Lisa Boulanger, from https://www.eurekalert.org/multimedia/pub/81261.php. The green central cell body is ? 10µm in diameter. B. Cosmic web (Springel et al., 2005). Scale bar = 31.25 Mpc/h, or 1.4 × 1024 m. Juxtaposition inspired by Lima (2009).

 

A neuron in the brain juxtaposed with clusters of galaxies and their connected filaments of matter and dark matter. The resemblance is immediately clear. The implication? You may have an entire universe in your head. But the similarity between the images could simply be a case of apophenia – perceiving likeness where none actually exists. After all, how can these two things be similar given the vast difference in scale between them? But what if beyond the visual similarity between the networks of neurons in the brain and webs of galaxies in the Cosmos, an objective measurement could compare just how similar they truly are? That’s what Franco Vazza (astrophysicist at the University of Bologna) and Alberto Feletti (neurosurgeon at the University of Verona) set out to discover combining both their disciplines for a publication in “Frontiers of Physics.”

 

An Intergalactic Link

 

The human brain is literally one of the most complex structures known in the Universe – which is itself the greatest of all complexity. Your brain has about 80 billion neurons – the cells that process input from the senses and send signals to your body through the nervous system. Neurons are also networked, communicating to each other through connections called axions and dendrites. There are on the order of 100 trillion connections between neurons forming the neural network that creates who you are.  

1620px-NGC_6888_the_Crescent_Nebula_in_CNGC 6888 the “Crescent Nebula” has been said to resemble a giant brain in space
– Patrick Hsieh CC BY-SA 4.0

 

The Universe is networked as well. While we may think of space as objects separated by vast tracts of…well…space, that’s not entirely the case. The Universe we see with our scientific equipment is referred to as the “Observable Universe” approximately 90 BILLION light years in diameter and containing on the order of hundreds of billions to a few trillion galaxies. These galaxies, like our Milky Way, collections of billions of stars, are themselves grouped into galaxy clusters. Our Milky Way is part of the “Local Group” which contains the neighbouring Andromeda and Triangulum galaxies as well as 50 other galaxies. Those galaxies are in turn part of a larger group called the Virgo Supercluster. The space between groups and clusters is not empty but rather hosts connecting filaments of both ordinary and dark matter that stretch for millions of light years. In this way, the Universe can be thought of as a giant network of galaxy clusters all interconnected similarly to neural networks in the brain. That network is called the Cosmic Web.

 
 

A simulation of the formation of the Cosmic Web from the beginning of time to the present

 

A Universe Within a Universe

 

The research to find quantifiable similarities between both networks was born in a partnership between neuroscience and astrophysics. Using techniques and tools from both disciplines, Vazz and Feletti looked at these two networks to find quantifiable similarities beyond the perceived visual similarity. Were these networks comparable and, if so, what does that mean?

 

The researchers used 4 micrometer thick slices of the human cortex – the outer layer of the brain which is responsible for processing language, sensory information, thought, memory, and consciousness. These were compared to 25 megaparsec (1 parsec = approx. 3.26 light years) thick “slices” of Universe taken from a computer simulated volume of 1 million cubic megaparsecs of space. The slices of brain and Universe are relatively comparable in thickness then given that both are 27 orders of magnitude in size different from each other.

 

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Cosmic Web and Brain Samples at 4x, 10x, and 40x Magnification
– Vazza F and Feletti A (2020)

Universe-Brain-3-1.jpgLeft: section of cerebellum, with magnification factor 40x, obtained with electron microscopy (Dr. E. Zunarelli, University Hospital of Modena); right: section of a cosmological simulation, with an extension of 300 million light-years on each side (Vazza et al. 2019 A&A).

 

Depending on the scale the slices were examined – the similarity in structure wasn’t always apparent. But at 40x magnification in the brain tissue, the researchers began to see similarities in structure. 40x magnification represents a scale of 0.01-1.6mm in the brain and 1-100 megaparsecs in the Universe.

 

Here, the neuronal network appears like the galaxy clusters. Furthermore, the similarity of the networks can be objectively measured and compared using two techniques. The first is “network degree centrality” which measures the lengths of the network connections and degree of connectivity in a given network.  The nucleus or centre of a neuron is much smaller in radius than the length of connecting axions and dendrites. Similarly, galaxy clusters are much smaller in radius than the length of connecting filaments. The second method to objectively compare both networks is the “clustering coefficient” which quantifies the amount of structure adjacent to each connection node (neuron or galaxy cluster) and compares that structure to a random point within the network. This comparison contrasts organization vs randomness in both networks.

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Vazza F and Feletti A (2020) Figure 3: “Top panels: zoomed details of the reconstructed connections between nodes for three example of networks in our sample (blue lines, superimposed to the density contrast maps). Bottom panels: distributions of clustering coefficient and of degree centrality for all slices”

 

Applying the techniques at these scales, Vazz and Feletti found “remarkable” similarities between both the brain and the Universe. They also found that the networks were more like each other than other biological and physical structures including tree branches, the dynamics of cloud formation, or water turbulence. These other structures are fractal in nature. Fractal patterns are self-repeating and look the same regardless of what scale you observe them.

 

By contrast, the Universe looks completely different at smaller than larger scales. Galaxies and solar systems don’t resemble the Cosmic Web that they create. So too the brain no longer resembles the neural network when observed at different scales.  Scale itself might be important to the creation of these structures in terms of how they organize themselves.

 

The researchers conclude their findings “hint at the fact that similar network configurations can emerge from the interaction of entirely different physical processes, resulting in similar levels of complexity and self-organization, despite the dramatic disparity in spatial scales of these two systems.” In other words, networks like the brain and the Universe may share similar structure while being completely different in size and formed by different processes (gravity vs biology). Yet it’s possible something caused both to evolve and grow in a similar way.

 

This “Mandelbrot Zoom” is a fractal pattern that looks similar regardless at what scale it is observed unlike the Brain and Universe which appear very different at different scales

 

The researchers noted two other interesting similarities between the brain and the Cosmic Web. The first was ratios of composition. The brain is 77% water while similarly the Cosmic Web is approximately 73% dark energy. Water and dark energy are not a part of the network itself but are considered “passive material” or passive energy. The presence and ratio of passive material/energy might be of relevance to how these networks form.

 

A second fascinating similarity is that the amount of computer data required to map the simulated Universe models is comparable to the theoretical memory storage limits of the human brain. Between 1-10 Petabyes (1 Petabyte = 1000 Terrabytes) of data is needed to simulate the evolution of the observable

 

Universe at scales where the Cosmic Web becomes apparent. Estimates on the total storage capacity of the human brain is about 2.5 Petabytes.

A human could then theoretically store a good portion of the observable Universe’s structure…inside their brain. Or, even more astonishing to consider, the Cosmic Web could theoretically store the data of a lifetime of human experiences.  

800px-Hubble_Extreme_Deep_Field_full_resHubble “eXtreme Deep Field” image shows some 5,500 of the
most distant galaxies ever imaged. – NASA/ESA

 

As well as similarities, there are differences between the Cosmic Web and the brain. While the samples of brain used were from the cortex, the whole brain is not uniform. Different parts of the brain are structured for different purposes while a key feature of the Universe is its uniformity in nearly all directions.

 

Links between neurons in the brain are for the transmission of sensory information while links in the Universe transmit energy and matter alone. Vazz and Feletti hope their research will inspire  the development of more powerful algorithms to discover even more similarities between the brain and the Universe.  

 

Perhaps we’ll learn about the conditions that cause two networks born out of completely different processes to resemble each other so closely.

We’ve heard Carl Sagan describe how our bodies are literally made of stars. Now we are beginning to understand that our brains may be patterned like them as well. A whole universe of connections is in your mind – a universe within a universe – and one capable of reaching out to the other that gave rise to it. Billions of neurons touching billions of stars – surely spiritual.


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 01:51 PM

This is your brain, this is your brain on the universe. :)


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 02:49 PM

.   It seems to me there are many similar structures in the world. Some examples are snowflakes, basalt rock columns, and the tubes in honey bee hives - all are hexagonal. Also Alan Turing modeled animal patterns with math or algorithms. And flushing the toilet, stirring cream in coffee, sunflower seed heads, and galaxies all make spirals.

 

.   I'm not sure it means any thing, beyond that all exist in 3 dimensional space, which  has a limited number of (crystallographic) symmetries;  all are made of the same 'stuff' (called either atoms, elementary particles, quarks or wave functions or fields),  and subject to the same sorts of physical forces (magnetism, gravity, friction, etc.)

 

.   And from a mystical level, I suppose, all forms, are "one" regardless of wether they look alike.

 

.   One might also consider that most human brains do not function at a level that inspires admiration; and that the universe is devoid of compassion, (as the dinosaurs found out, when the meteor or asteroid hit, & victims of covid feel everyday). So since neither is an ideal manifestation, even if there was something special about the "connection", it seems to me it would not be "a marriage made in heaven".

 

.   So yes I agree that the photos of the cosmos, & the brain make for fun visual comparisons, but they do not lead me to swallow, or acquire any beliefs.


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 06:29 PM

I really did not want to get into this but heavily partisan comments have been made and now it is hard to pack up and walk away from this one. As a man who enjoys his fair bit of chaos, I still desire some order, usually in the form of a fair shake.

 

Well what a week. People sure got their punches in on those protestors or are they terrorists its unclear? Regardless those anti vaccination/ conservative people are clearly the folk that they oh so despise. Not the least bit surprised to see the worst highlighted in an attempted to paint the entire group with a shit brush. Standard operating procedure for protests. (Summer of love anybody?) Interestingly enough a huge part of the frustration coming from these awful deplorable folks is how they perceive media manipulation, and oh boy did the MSM try to highlight that fact this week. The news would claim one thing and then you would log into a live stream and see the opposite. 

 

There is some bleed through with protest of Trudeau and his government in general that does need to be addressed. I think those people need to get a clue and respect the democratic process, that requires people within the party speaking out against their own members. When it comes from the opposition if falls on deaf ears. Discussion of separation, rejecting the government in power and giving ones province a divorce form the rest of Canada is nothing new around here. The French speaking folk in Quebec struggle with very real feelings of sovereignty and have had referendums on separation in the past. 

 

Leading up to the event the news highlighted one mouth piece on a podcast proclaiming he hoped it was going to be like Jan 6. After I heard that I decided it was time to sit this one out until some dust settles. I know where this is leading, a big public fight where everything gets so twisted up. Then Trump made a statement, fuck, oh fuck here we go. The knives are going to come out as the partisan bullshit digs even deeper. Even worse that it was later revealed that some republicans down south contributed to the ten million dollar now defunct go fund me account. It is enough to deal with our own partisan politics having the American news networks and politicians jump on their respective bandwagons did not help. Especially considering plenty of people watch American news up here too. Now folk had their American counterparts speaking out to reinforce that cognitive bias.

 

Hero's on fox news and Satan's spawn on MSNBC

 

It has been over a week and Zero instances of violence involving protestors, no shit on fire too bonus! But hey that did not slow the attempts at slander, one loser showed up to a massive protest with a nazi flag, another a confederate, the entire protest DELIGETIMIZED!!!!!  

 

However those dicks did not last very long, so the "violence that was silence" accusation of why the entire crowd is deplorable lasted possibly a matter of hours in a roaming crowd of unorganized folks? Who really knows how long? anybody? anybody? Buhler.... I have only seen the one photo of the nazi flag as of yet, everyone condemns it of course except actual nazi supporters, jesus. Jew stars yes there were some as well, not the first protest and wont be the last to abuse that symbol. Some people parked on the war memorial and were asked to move by police, they moved. Some loser danced on the tomb for five seconds, yup fuck him, don't see anyone supporting those idiots. Now its guarded and candle light vigil, snow cleared daily by protestors, garbage picked up all around downtown.  Some asshole chucked a beer can at a reporter, a dump was taken on a porch of someone flying a pride flag and the terry fox statue was "desecrated"  by placing a cardboard sign and an upside down flag on the memorial. (Famous Canadian hero) Soon after the "fringe" media highlighted that the statue was being polished and now guarded by other protestors. All in all that was the worst of the worst that they could highlight. The Ottowa police chief came out and said is the Metrix of a successful protest nobody dies and no violence is committed, and no destruction of property, then the answer is yes. From my observations it looked to be people coming together to fight for something they believe in.  It is really easy to find if your looking for it, easy to ignore if your not.

 

I would agree it would not be pleasant for the folk that have to live there. There is certainly disruption for them and I would probably be singing a different tune If I had to listen to that noise all day long. That being said I do seem to recall being told that protest are supposed to make you feel uncomfortable They honked like crazy for ten days and now a noise by-law has taken effect due to residence threating to sue, so the honks have stopped for now

 

Now that we have highlighted the big negatives please take a look at the other side of the story

 

Here is a pro thread on twitter for example. 

 

https://twitter.com/...oy2022?src=hash

 

Or any of the live streams that one can easily find.  From what I can tell a dude that would record his walks around Ottawa, turns out there was some interesting things to highlight this week

 

[Direct Link]

 

I think they made their point, message was received, it was big enough that it drew the worlds attention on the small country for a moment. The longer it draws out at this point will only lead to less overall public approval. You can see the stress it is placing on that city and support will fade if it continues.


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Posted 08 February 2022 - 07:17 PM

Thank you for that rational re-direct Flashingrooster !!

I had been watching this protest and hoping it wouldn't go the way of "Occupy Wallstreet" ---------- and it didn't !!!!

 

I saw a comment earlier about truck divers cough, cough, sneezing over their loads and wanted to say something.

 

I want to meet the truck driver who handles their own load. In other words.......the driver who personally handles his cargo.

When deliveries show up at our business the driver is always so courteous. He rings the bell, he gets our attention..........and WE unload his cargo - even if it is in the front of the trailer. We may have to offload an entire trailer to get to our delivery.

He waits patiently in a remote location while we decide how best to proceed.

Never once does this driver approach us. Never once does the driver attempt to get in the way, come close to us, or to interfere in any way.

I want to meet the driver who personally handles, coughs over, and delivers the cargo from his truck. Because that simply does not happen.

WE handle that cargo while the driver stands a good, safe distance away.

Once we sign paperwork - he's on his way and gone. No coughing, no sneezing, no making-out, no handshaking............

 

So for those truckers who are upset -

I SUPPORT THEIR PROTEST.  I too, will pay whatever price is necessary to have your voices heard and recognized. Even if that means you're in front of MY HOUSE someday - but let's hope it doesn't come to that. If it does, you're welcome in my home while your truck idles outside.

 

Blessings protestors. God bless you all.


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