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#2181 Myc

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Posted 30 July 2022 - 02:18 PM

Glad to know you're still out there my friend. Good to see you around.

Thanks for the link to the video.



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Posted 31 July 2022 - 09:35 PM

It's good to see you're still kicking Alder, I sincerely hope you've been, and continue to be well.   Though it would be nicer (IMO) if you actually said something for yourself, as opposed to just giving us a link to 2+hr video from a website known for being rather vague about their content policies and allows hatred, incitement, conspiracies, propaganda and substitution of science or fact with falsities. (direct quote from trustpilot.com)

 

Odysee is a breading ground for right-wing extremist content and it's fans.  It's not really the people I ever excepted to see you aligning with.  You know, not really the tree spiking, nature loving kind of crowd, but I guess politics makes strange bedfellows.


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Posted 11 August 2022 - 10:12 AM

in reference to the posts of. July 10 & 18

 

"No evidence that depression is caused by low serotonin levels, finds comprehensive review

 
Date:   July 20, 2022
Source:    University College London
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    After decades of study, there remains no clear evidence that serotonin levels or serotonin activity are responsible for depression, according to a major review of prior research. "

 

article here

 

https://www.scienced...20720080145.htm



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Posted 11 August 2022 - 01:06 PM

"hatred, incitement, conspiracies, propaganda and substitution of science or fact" is sort of where we are in 2022 ... it's really just a matter of personal perspective IMO.

 

For example, I "followed the science" as proscribed and mandated by my current employer, got vaxxed and double boosted.  Now I'm in quarantine with my THIRD bout of fucking Covid-19. 

 

The shots make me feel like shit for two days.  The Covid makes me feel like shit anywhere from three to six days.  Remember back when the vax would prevent you from getting or transmitting Ye Olde Rona?  Well, that was 'the science,' and I can tell you from personal experience that it's 100% bullshit.  The media doesn't even mention the term 'breakthrough cases' anymore ... I wonder why that is?  Because the shots simply don't work.  And the idea - spread by many lib and conservative 'news' outlets that Omicron or whatever current variant is roaming around - presents like a common cold is ALSO bullshit.  Covid locks me to the couch.  The only thing that enables me to get off said couch is the stash of painkillers I keep locked in the safe for such purposes.  And good luck getting any treatment for myocarditis, long covid, etc.  The establishment doesn't even admit or hardly know about these very real side effects.

 

Five day quarantine and then you're back to work with a mask for five more days and all is well - you're done.  Well ... that's more bullshit. 

 

I really, really wanted to believe.  Maybe if I were POTUS I'd get some real treatment, but in the meantime, I've found that regular ingestion of hallucinogenic mushrooms to be the only thing that beats down the deep-seated cynicism I feel about this whole goddamn mess.  And maybe there's some other health benefits, but ... damn. 

 

On a separate but somewhat related note, the serotonin studies are ... interesting as well.  Morphine doesn't cure pain, but it sure as hell makes it tolerable, so we've got another chicken/egg paradigm with SSRI meds. They're saying after 30+ years of shoving Prozac, etc., down peep's throats that it actually doesn't fucking WORK? 

 

That's what following the science gets you, because the science is inherently flawed.  God forbid a doctor tells a patient that s/he maybe needs to exercise regularly, eat good fud, lose some weight, stop staring at your glowing rectangle and get into the sunlight and DO SOMETHING. 

 

Healthcare and the capitalist system are not good bedfellows, as common sense goes to the wayside, and we get the Sackler family murdering millions of people with zero actual repercussions.  Don't even get me started on Pfizer's phistory of also killing pfeople for pfrofit.

 

My heart literally aches for America.

 

Rant Complete.  I'm off to drain these grains, much love to all,

 

:)

 

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 03:36 PM

Sorry for the shit you've been thru.

 

the book on the SSRI meds dates back to 2010

"The Emperor's New Drugs: Exploding the Antidepressant Myth" --2010
Irving Kirsch Ph.D.
 
Dr. John Campbell
seems one of the few voices giving balanced views
such as these:
 
Vaccine adverse events, German data
989,531 views
Aug 3, 2022
 
Pfizer, illegal exploitation
812,841 views
Aug 1, 2022
 
The illusion of evidence based medicine
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Mar 26, 2022
 
Kyle's vaccine injury update
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May 10, 2022
 
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Posted 11 August 2022 - 04:06 PM

Dr. Campbell is a fantastic voice in an echo-chamber of bs.  Naturally, I trust him because he's old, balding, and has a British accent, but his arguments are all data based and I've not seen a single legit take-down of his analyses.

 

Makes me wonder if - before I become one with the dirt - the medical field will look back at current cancer treatments and say "wait - we injected kids with nuclear waste to cure cancer? Why didn't they just ________? "

 

Weird.  I avoid doctors whenever possible ... they rarely tell me what I want to hear.

 

Thanks for the links and feedback, I'm doing ok thanks to the meds I grow in my felony-closet,

 

:)

 

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 04:27 PM

Always good to see you Soliver :) 

 

Sorry to hear you got COVID again. I recently got over my second bout, but unlike the first round this time only laid me up for about 3 days or so.  That's considerably nicer then the first time (early 2020) which almost put me in the hospital.   

 

Was the second bout less severe because I had my two shots, and a booster?  Has the virus mutated in to a less severe version, or was it my own natural immunity to having the virus once before?  I don't pretend to know, but I feel like I've given myself the best odds of not succumbing to the virus by getting the shots, though I know that there are no guarantees in life except that it will end one day.  Science is imperfect, of that there is no doubt, but in my humble opinion they are the best bet we got going at this time.

 

Best wishes to you, and yours.


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Posted 11 August 2022 - 10:25 PM

Juthro!  Good times!  Always nice to hear from old fiends  :)

 

I had the 'rona in 2020 - the OG virus - my wife got it or got it from me (?) - she had wicked back pain and was tired AF for several days.  I didn't feel jack squat, but was still quarantined for 28 days ... ah, the good 'ol !

 

Got the shots and boosters, then picked up my 2nd round in January '22 and it laid me out for a week and seriously 'bout killed me.  This last bout was just three days of similar symptoms but much shorter duration.  I dunno.  My January round was just two months after my second booster.

 

I'm no scientologist, but I think it's fair to say the vax certainly didn't protect me.  Who knows.  Everyone has to make their own decisions based on available reliable media and personal experience.  I trusted the media, but from here on out I'm depending on my own experiences.  I personally know/knew five people in my (very small / rural) community who died from the virus, and they all had co-morbidity issues that would have gotten them sooner or later - obesity being the common denominator across the board.

 

Moving forward, I'll be continuing to stay in shape, eat well, avoid restaurant food, be active, etc., which is - IMO - the only reason I'm still standing after all this mess.

 

To me, the vaccine is like a very uncomfortable bullet proof vest that only works on Tuesday and Thursday, every other Sunday and definitely doesn't protect if you get a shot to the face.  I understand that's not a popular perspective in some circles, but I've 'done my own research' = gotten Covid three times, so ... I dunno. 

 

What I know for certain is that the promises of the vaccine lifting us from this illness was absolutely incorrect, which make me wonder about lots of other claims.

 

"That's the day I'll throw my drugs away - when they find a cure for pain." 

 

Not there yet, but still have high hopes, much love,

 

:)

 

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 08:49 AM

 

 

Weird.  I avoid doctors whenever possible ... they rarely tell me what I want to hear.

 

 

 

Mostly they just create huge medical bills

 

cleaned up my diet, and got off 'their' damn blood pressure pills

 

but the rest of me continues to deteriorate, as I'm past my expiration date.

 

Looking for a story plot to hook me into thinking somethings at stake,

 

for awhile longer, 'before I become one with the dirt'  as well.


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Posted 23 August 2022 - 06:40 PM

I've had a similar experience @soliver
The original strain was a day in the house with muscular pain.
I wasnt in a rush for the vaccines. As front line staff we where told "we'll be the Guinea pigs" so would get them before the old or vulnerable.

The pressure on us in the wait and see group was intense. Tearful HR meetings and the majority looking down to you for letting everyone down.

I got vaccinated in the second covid winter because staffing was shocking and the vaccinated could come back to work quicker. I week after I did this the bar was raised and to be able to resume work sooner than unvaccinated you had to get another. At that point I decided I was out. I had a nucleocapsid antibody response from the infection right near the beginning so had a degree of protection without any vaccine antibody.

I have never to this day disclosed my status and remain on the HR blacklist. I hope someone in HR who has to do the admin for this list feels by now uncomfortable about going along with all that weirdness.

I got omicron or whatever version it was this year and it was a miserable flu, chest infection and cold hybrid. I was delighted to have a positive test while there was still a requirement to stay off work....and I strung that shit out for nearly two weeks!

I was a covid 0 person in the beginning, thought some where using opportunities to increase thier wealth and power in the middle and now wonder if the unprecedented measures where mostly to make politicians look like they could make a difference against the tide of nature.

I worked my arse off and have a better life for doing so. Occasionally I recall that fragmenting time and shudder. I remind myself to stop asking "what was that?!" And just enjoy things for myself each day.

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Posted 15 September 2022 - 10:55 AM

At an hour and a quarter, there is not much wasted time, and if you tune out, you miss a lot.  This guy, Ed Dowd, was with Blackrock for years, and Dr. Mercola has been ahead of the curve since the start of COVID and was a holistic doctor going in.  Both here fathom quite well the other's specialty.  I hope you can make the time to hear this. This is a dense big picture discussion:
 


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Posted 26 November 2022 - 01:22 PM

Don't you love it when medical ethicists get fired for pushing for medical ethics?     Prepare for the TDS sufferers to come here and attempt to kill messengers, as is their wont.  One of the things that was said to me here two and a half years ago was that it wasn't important where the source of this was.  We were all to submit to the fear porn and character assassinate any counter-narrative voices.   I was told to just shut up and put on the mask.   It was important that I, with everyone else, comply.  My noncompliance was not welcome, even here where I expected my psychedelicized friends to be open to questioning.  We suddenly started to accept the constabulary and their controllers.   It became no fun here.  I suppose it's time for amnesty, eh?  While the crimes reached even into here, there has yet to be contrition or honesty.   



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Posted 26 November 2022 - 07:58 PM

Don't you love it when medical ethicists get fired for pushing for medical ethics?     Prepare for the TDS sufferers to come here and attempt to kill messengers, as is their wont.  One of the things that was said to me here two and a half years ago was that it wasn't important where the source of this was.  We were all to submit to the fear porn and character assassinate any counter-narrative voices.   I was told to just shut up and put on the mask.   It was important that I, with everyone else, comply.  My noncompliance was not welcome, even here where I expected my psychedelicized friends to be open to questioning.  We suddenly started to accept the constabulary and their controllers.   It became no fun here.  I suppose it's time for amnesty, eh?  While the crimes reached even into here, there has yet to be contrition or honesty.   



https://rumble.com/v...s-by-judge.html

Dunno about all that because I'm right here. It's good to see you again. Hope you are doing well.


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Posted 27 November 2022 - 02:39 PM

The people with big big money at stake say the vaccine was VERY$$$$ bad for their business model of insuring young peoples lifespans.  Some kind of Sudden Adult Death syndrome.

 

Mysterious and Likely to Remain that way FOREVER  due to "redacted" according to those who are paid to report on these occurrences I heard.

 

Other explanations are to be called cons[iracy th3ories because that word has been used in this incorrect fashion for so long we dare not correct our error now!!!!   REEEEEeeeeeeeee 

Something something trump and alex Jones.  OK  I've covered most of the common points. 

 

NIce talk.  Lets do it again sometime. 



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Posted 28 November 2022 - 01:20 AM

The nice thing about the Shamdemic Response and TDS is that everyone now knows how severely and perfectly  fractured the formerly U    S of A  is.

 

It's now separated into the This or That nation where anything or anybody who appears in the Overton Window is, without consideration, preloaded with the perception of either This or That. Encouragement to consider anything other than the taint of This or That is studiously ignored or outrightly prevented, stifled, or shamed. Those who still consider anything other than This or That and are more interested in how and why are getting rare.

 

You, Alder, have been one of those. But you don't need to be told this,  you've known it for a long time.  Your absence here has been more unfortunate than necessary. This place has been smaller, dumber, less interesting for your absence.

 

While understandable that being treated unkindly is not encouragement to participate in all the other interesting topics we come here for and to help each other with we don't serve if we allow the This or That mob to run us off. It'd be like no longer slabbing trees after hurricanes because a single asshole doesn't like the smell of sawdust. 

 

The pendulum swings and it appears that the How and Why fraction is being permitted to see daylight again both here and  in "society" at large.



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Posted 28 November 2022 - 02:19 PM

I find it almost unbelievable that we are still listening to people complain about having their rights imposed on by being forced to wear a mask in public, especially since we are at a point in the curve where it's mostly a non-issue now.

Masks help people from spreading disease. They weren't to protect you, they were to keep you from spreading anything you might be carrying to someone else.  They were being mandated at a time when the medical community was overwhelmed and couldn’t deal with the massive numbers of sick people, resulting in people dying because they couldn’t get proper treatment. IMO resisting wearing masks in public showed a huge lack of respect for others, and was a dick move.

And as far as 'this or that' goes..... The overwhelming message I hear from almost all the info Alder shares on these subjects is, “since there is no way that the established medical and scientific community knows anything about what they are talking about, it must be 'this or that'”, and that’s where these arguments tend to fall on their face with no real facts to back their fringe ideas.  Much like in the book by Dr Mercola, ‘The Great Bird Flu Hoax' ($13.99 on A-zon).

Then to fix it all, Dr M will be more than happy to sell you his personal line of dietary supplements and medical devices. Just watch his podcast, or go to his website, and you too can learn about all the scientifically discredited views, and ideas he pushes. I mean really, am I the only person here that sees this guy is not doing this for the greater good? Dr. M is making a hell of a living selling people what they want to hear. I personally think if you can't see that then maybe you are the one who should take some psychedelics and ponder who these people really are, and how much they really care about you. Catchy tag words like ‘shamdemic’ don’t make these guys your friends, or real science your adversary.

I've missed Alder Logs as much as anyone here, but at no point do I think pushing snake oil salesmen into the limelight is making this place smarter, or more interesting. It’s also worth noting that these are the only kind of posts he’s made here for quite some time, both before and after his self-imposed hiatus. The Alder that shares spiritual and metaphysical insights has been MIA for quite some time. I hope that Alder finds his way back here, there are many who miss him, myself included.

 

And a quick comment about TDS.  Anyone who doesn't denounce the great orange after his attempt to overthrow a legal election and disrupt the peaceful transition of power is no friend of freethought or speach.  Y'all might need to think about that as well on your next psychedelic voyage. 

 


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Posted 28 November 2022 - 07:22 PM

This is nothing other than my own babbling opinions..... which I have no intention what so ever of cross referencing or providing bibliographic citations for..... Please don't waste your time reading them....

 

What's actually going on? 9/11...........good luck with that..........chomping at the bit to really test out a formula that already works??????......because rich weirdo's from the USA, Germany, China.....?????Russia???? Middle East perhaps, whose the richest and sickest there? Elsewhere I'm sure....UK is ALWAYS involved.....engineered something.......I don't it doubt it for a moment........I don't doubt that someone would engineer needs and provide solutions at all........real stuff...Rich people are fucked up.....bad........ I don't doubt that asymmetrical warfare can be done and has been in progress for a very long time (please turn off your social media AS SOON as it makes you emotional....PLEASE....AND DO NOT ACT ON IT....) Stop and go outside and breathe...... Can I prove anything besides I haven't really missed any work at al? Nope.......do l want to? Nope......

 

Fuck, IDK? I miss some people that died, some that disowned me.......guess that's life......once again I'll continue to report the ill effects I've noticed to date since I got a shot or two........

 

I've had the sniffles once since (has to be coming up on two years now).....and a couple of headaches......and my arthritic back ache's like a son of a bitch and fucks with my sciatic nerves....I stretch a lot, meditate a lot, do breathing work and exercises a lot, get good sleep and drink water regularly.......and smoke really fucking good weed....... regularly.........

 

I hope you all live until the bitter end, may it be peaceful and happy......my bet is that the behavior we are all seeing/living is because they know that a catastrophic event, as in EPIC PROPORTIONS, is likely going to fix everything.......a might as well...

 

I'm taking a pod of you underground and helping you survive what comes, hopefully........cause I'm old and crusty and vaccinated......Plus I ain't being held responsible for killing my mother in law....or wife.....

 

Cause that's my plan.......to each their own.....

 

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 02:59 PM

It's pretty wild to realize that this thread is a month short of being three years old. Part of me still thinks of "last year" as being 2019.

 

 

I saw a tweet by John Cleese of all people asking his followers if they are noticing what he has (as of yesterday), which is that he can't find cough medicine anywhere. People from many places around the world (Europe, Asia, the U.S.) have been replying to him with "yeah none here either" with a very few saying some places have some but limit the quantity you can buy.
 
So that's interesting.
 
 

Also, FWIW the rates of death/long COVID are MUCH lower in every age bracket among the vaxed/boosted than the unboosted/ unvaxed (seems to me "vax/vaxed" should have only one x but spell check says both are wrong so whatever).

 

 

This guy (@nntaleb) is not a diplomat (to put it mildly) but makes strong cases for his position:
 


 LAST BS BUSTING OF 2022
1/ Epoch Times, the conspiracy sheet, claims boosted is worse than vaxxed & report claims by Robert Malone as to the ineffectiveness of vaccines. Then provide data showing EFFECTIVENESS of vaxx (up to 92% lower death) and they fall for Simpson's paradox.

2/ Simpson's paradox: boosted are OLDER than simply vaxxed. One thing antivaxxers have in common: 100% (not 99%) are either stupid or vicious.

 

 

From: https://twitter.com/...320690636800007

 

 

The Simpson's Paradox explains much of the disinfo glut we've been enduring in recent years. It is an egregious example of the old adage "figures don't lie, but liars figure."

 

It only takes three and a half minutes to explain this very common form of statistical fuckery that once understood can be seen being used all over the place in business, politics, the politics of business, and the business of politics (on purpose by agents of chaos or else from a lack of awareness of how data works -and can be worked- by the honest and well-intentioned):

 

 

 

I think this image applies to all social media, if not the entire internet:

 

twitter.jpeg

 

It seems reasonable to conclude that the vast majority of digital space is either neutral/irrelevant or actively harmful to us. We should probably be more careful about curating our exposure to/consumption of such things to account for this no matter how careful we think we're already being.

 

Lest we forget, the 'Net has raised a generation of children to believe that reality is just another form of "content" and so is just as mutable as any other form of digital content.

 

A disturbing number of them seem to genuinely believe via the social contagion effect that they can Photoshop reality itself or just make shit up and assume it will stick (all the batshit "neo-pronouns" come to mind, for starters).

 

This is not confined to the young, of course, but it's becoming so common among Gen-Z that it's shocking and baffling even for someone as cynical about our build-it-for-the-lowest-common-denominator society as I am.

 

This is obviously not sustainable; reality always gets the last word and reasserts itself in the end, because it's reality. I get that reality-as-we-know-it is ultimately a construct we create in our minds but I'm talking about embracing Postmodernist lunacy to the degree that people open their minds so wide their brains fall out.

 

It's tricky to balance healthy skepticism with an acknowledgement of genuine expertise and an acceptance of credible/rigorous data. We tend to be unbalanced towards one side or the other, either being overconfident and dogmatic or naive and gullible. I've been both. Still am,  And so are you (meaning everyone).

 

So "trust a consensus of experts, but verify to the best of your ability" seems like the way to go when navigating such enormous and complex issues.


Edited by TVCasualty, 05 January 2023 - 03:09 PM.

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Posted 05 January 2023 - 04:55 PM

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Posted 06 January 2023 - 12:52 AM

It's pretty wild to realize that this thread is a month short of being three years old. Part of me still thinks of "last year" as being 2019.

 

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So "trust a consensus of experts, but verify to the best of your ability" seems like the way to go when navigating such enormous and complex issues.

Nice to 'see' & 'hear' from you again.


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