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#1 Alder Logs

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 12:30 PM

Besides the fact that no one put up a fight to keep piecemeal patches for a working class citizenry in a separate bill from a money hose aimed at the .001%'s wants, another bill with too many pre-written pages for anyone to read before a vote has been pushed through the sausage making machine. 

 

What can we see to bring us all up to speed as to what just happened to us as Disaster Capitalism capitalizes our bad fortune once again? 

 

I will start it with this:

 

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 12:46 PM

...what just happened to us as Disaster Capitalism capitalizes our bad fortune once again? 

 

So now handing money out is "Disaster Capitalism"? It seems a little more nuanced than that. But, if we're skipping the nuance to forward an agenda, handing money out seems a lot more accurately described as disaster socialism. I suppose that takes a little more unpacking, though, than most folks would be willing bear.


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Posted 02 April 2020 - 01:14 PM

So, we're going to turn it into an argument about which end of the egg we open?

 

Call it whatever term you wish.  It's certainly the only socialism we're likely to get, the owners of everything giving what's left of everything to themselves.   We can use that as a lever to diss the working class having an idea of ever owning the means of production, and that's not to say having the government do that for them.   If that's the socialism we're all to be afraid of becoming the yoke of slavery, that's bullshit too.  Weaponized labels will derail the study of anything.



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Posted 02 April 2020 - 02:49 PM

So, we're going to turn it into an argument about which end of the egg we open?

 

No.

 

Weaponized labels will derail the study of anything.

Then why use a loaded term?

 

That's what "we're", or at least I am attempting to avoid. You chose the label, not me. You of all people here (accept TV, probably) surprise me in not understanding (or at least ignoring) the importance of language in a discussion such as this. If you wish to alienate huge portions of the population with your lazy, loaded use of the word capitalism, be my guest. But you better hope that wall you're banging your head against is well-built. We're a long way off from people just understanding what you mean when you use lazy language. Whether you want to be the observer observing observation and believe it isn't so, or whatever, language and it's precision, still matters.

 

Newspeak wasn't one of the main concepts Orwell put into the world so it could become a half-assed cliche for anyone to toss out while "fighting the man" (though unfortunately, that's mostly what it's become). He knew how important language is and knew it's power to enslave, persuade, obfuscate, empower, propagandize and, hopefully, free people.
 


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