Just wait. I can pretty much guarantee you that Salvia won't be cheap/easy to get for very much longer. Just
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, Sep 20 2006 08:38 PM
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Posted 25 September 2006 - 08:57 PM
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:49 PM
When I smoked my real breakthrough dose (half a gram of 10x in a big pipe), I figured:'Why should I need a sitter? I did LSD by myself, xtc, by myself, mushrooms by myself, ayahuasca by myself. There are no surprise for me.
Yeah I know what you mean. You can get away on 'shroomies without a sitter, but dissociatives really mess with your head, in a bad way sometimes. I have respect for traditional psychedelics, I have fear for dissociatives. The first time I did DXM I didn't have a trip-sitter, and I could easily have seen myself burning the house down.
Anyways, haven't done salvia, so I guess that's my advice for ya. Don't forget to write a trip report
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Posted 27 September 2006 - 09:53 PM
Even though the trip only lasts for a little bit, my friend told me that when his friend did it he was kind of screwed up for a few weeks following. I'm pretty sure he did a heavy hit session.
Can anyone support this rumor?
Can anyone support this rumor?
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 11:32 AM
I've played in Salvia's garden several times now. Both with others and alone. Here's a few notes for newbies:
- You may think you're experienced with drugs but trust me, salvia is different. It's the most spiritual experience I've ever had with a drug but it doesn't always show you what you want to see.
- Tollerence levels are really key with this stuff. The first time I tried it was with 3 others. We used 20x extract. I broke through instantly with only about 1/20th a gram in a pipe with a torch lighter. The others barely got high. I haven't been the same since but in a good way. It was incredibly enlightening. There is no way to know what your tollerence to the stuff is going to be and I guarantee you - if you break through the first time it will scare you. Not that this will necessarily be interpretted as a bad thing.
- Don't even think about doing it alone the first time. If you have an out of body experience you will be totally out of control. For me it was total open eye visuals. The world as I knew it was ripped away and replaced. All very cool but physically my body was still here and I could easily have walked right through a window.
- Time is different in salvia's world. What may only be 3-5 minutes here on the physical plane could seem like much longer, even hours, in the trip.
Here's a great scale that you can use to check your tollerance.
Level 1 - SUBTLE effects:
A feeling that 'something' is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure..
Level 2 - ALTERED perception:
Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.
Level 3 - LIGHT visionary state:
Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vinelike and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. This level envokes phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that many people experience with the onset of sleep. If open eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.
Level 4 - VIVID visionary state:
Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in "dream time." With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed eye imagery of level 3.
Level 5 - IMMATERIAL existence:
At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/Goddess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
Level 6 - AMNESIC effects:
At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience."
- You may think you're experienced with drugs but trust me, salvia is different. It's the most spiritual experience I've ever had with a drug but it doesn't always show you what you want to see.
- Tollerence levels are really key with this stuff. The first time I tried it was with 3 others. We used 20x extract. I broke through instantly with only about 1/20th a gram in a pipe with a torch lighter. The others barely got high. I haven't been the same since but in a good way. It was incredibly enlightening. There is no way to know what your tollerence to the stuff is going to be and I guarantee you - if you break through the first time it will scare you. Not that this will necessarily be interpretted as a bad thing.
- Don't even think about doing it alone the first time. If you have an out of body experience you will be totally out of control. For me it was total open eye visuals. The world as I knew it was ripped away and replaced. All very cool but physically my body was still here and I could easily have walked right through a window.
- Time is different in salvia's world. What may only be 3-5 minutes here on the physical plane could seem like much longer, even hours, in the trip.
Here's a great scale that you can use to check your tollerance.
Level 1 - SUBTLE effects:
A feeling that 'something' is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure..
Level 2 - ALTERED perception:
Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.
Level 3 - LIGHT visionary state:
Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vinelike and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. This level envokes phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that many people experience with the onset of sleep. If open eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.
Level 4 - VIVID visionary state:
Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in "dream time." With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed eye imagery of level 3.
Level 5 - IMMATERIAL existence:
At this level consciousness remains and some though processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/Goddess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.
Level 6 - AMNESIC effects:
At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience."
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 12:32 PM
Dude...I totally hit Level 6. SCARY SCARY SHIT!
To this day I still can't recall what happened.
Walking around..talking to fire..and not being able to remember 10 minutes of your life where you were doing things. Fucked up.
I'm not even sure where that bag is at the moment. Maybe I'll look for it tonight. I definately want to hit a level 4ish...possibly try a full scoop instead of 2. or maybe just 1.25 or something. It's so hard to measure this stuff....
To this day I still can't recall what happened.
Walking around..talking to fire..and not being able to remember 10 minutes of your life where you were doing things. Fucked up.
I'm not even sure where that bag is at the moment. Maybe I'll look for it tonight. I definately want to hit a level 4ish...possibly try a full scoop instead of 2. or maybe just 1.25 or something. It's so hard to measure this stuff....
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 12:50 PM
I couldn't get a small enough amount of 20x extract in the pipe for me. I had to go buy some 10x stuff. I have a tiny scoop (from a fish tank test kit) that measures 1/20th of a gram. A little less than a full scoop of 10x will get me to level 4.
I haven't met anyone else with as low a tollerence as I have to Salvia as I have. It's really weird because I can usually do way more of any other drug than anyone else I know. Last time I did shrooms everyone else was tripping and I was just mildly buzzed. Didn't have enough & couldn't get any more, which is why I'm now here, learning to grow my own :)
Don't judge your untested tollerence to Salvia based on your reaction to anything else. Salvia is just different. Once you've done it a few times you could probably go without a sitter if you were hitting level 4 or less. Anything above level 4 tears down your ego and most people aren't ready for that. Everything we think of as reality really is just what we think it is, we actually are making it all up.
Cheshire_Kat - your experience sounds a lot like my first one. Straight to level 6. Anything you do remember was your hitting a few lower levels on the way back down. I lost time as well and apparently put on quite the show for my sitters but remember none of that. I had the weird speech thing too. Friends say it had cadence but I doubt it was a language. Apparently I was quite into it at the time though :)
I haven't met anyone else with as low a tollerence as I have to Salvia as I have. It's really weird because I can usually do way more of any other drug than anyone else I know. Last time I did shrooms everyone else was tripping and I was just mildly buzzed. Didn't have enough & couldn't get any more, which is why I'm now here, learning to grow my own :)
Don't judge your untested tollerence to Salvia based on your reaction to anything else. Salvia is just different. Once you've done it a few times you could probably go without a sitter if you were hitting level 4 or less. Anything above level 4 tears down your ego and most people aren't ready for that. Everything we think of as reality really is just what we think it is, we actually are making it all up.
Cheshire_Kat - your experience sounds a lot like my first one. Straight to level 6. Anything you do remember was your hitting a few lower levels on the way back down. I lost time as well and apparently put on quite the show for my sitters but remember none of that. I had the weird speech thing too. Friends say it had cadence but I doubt it was a language. Apparently I was quite into it at the time though :)
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 03:47 PM
yeah...i remember the lead in...putting my hands on the ground....
::houston..we have lift off::
Then nothing for 10 minutes.
then i remember coming down...but in my mind i never left the ground.
the few moments before i "blacked out" were almost terrifying.....almost...
::houston..we have lift off::
Then nothing for 10 minutes.
then i remember coming down...but in my mind i never left the ground.
the few moments before i "blacked out" were almost terrifying.....almost...
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 04:10 PM
IMO, don't bother trying to prepare for the trip.
I don't think you can. If you haven't been there,
there's no way to understand.
I don't think you can. If you haven't been there,
there's no way to understand.
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 04:40 PM
i had a really frightening experience with 10x extract, dont remember how much i smoked, but it wasnt much...
it all started out fine with nice patterns crawling on the walls, then i see my friends look at me and say something (they saw when i lost contact with reality) that moment starts to repeat it self and my body starts to multiply itself in every direction, the scary thing is that the repeating keeps going and going, for ever! my sense of time was so fucked up that it felt like maby a week, a year, 100 years or even more, at least more than the couple of minutes it really lasted. it felt like there was a bug in life, i guess i related the experience to a faulty computer program.
the next thing i remembered was my friend holding his hand on my sholder, and i said something like "hold me in this world" to him, slowly the patterns faded away, to my surprise we was now in the kitchen, on an other floor!
what realy happend was: after the hit they saw me drift away, suddenly i got a terrified expression on my face and then i stood up and ran down the stairs, my friends wasnt able to stop me.
i tell you its realy scary being stuck in eternety! weeks after the experience i had a feeling that we live in some sort of matrix world.
that was about a year now, i havnt dared doing it since then.
it all started out fine with nice patterns crawling on the walls, then i see my friends look at me and say something (they saw when i lost contact with reality) that moment starts to repeat it self and my body starts to multiply itself in every direction, the scary thing is that the repeating keeps going and going, for ever! my sense of time was so fucked up that it felt like maby a week, a year, 100 years or even more, at least more than the couple of minutes it really lasted. it felt like there was a bug in life, i guess i related the experience to a faulty computer program.
the next thing i remembered was my friend holding his hand on my sholder, and i said something like "hold me in this world" to him, slowly the patterns faded away, to my surprise we was now in the kitchen, on an other floor!
what realy happend was: after the hit they saw me drift away, suddenly i got a terrified expression on my face and then i stood up and ran down the stairs, my friends wasnt able to stop me.
i tell you its realy scary being stuck in eternety! weeks after the experience i had a feeling that we live in some sort of matrix world.
that was about a year now, i havnt dared doing it since then.
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 05:36 PM
when i 'break through' i am not even aware that i have ingested a drug until after i have come back down. reality is totally replaced by another one and i had no reason to believe it was ever any different. very akin to dreaming, when you have no realization of your waking self.
makes me wonder if 'waking' life isnt just an extension of the same situation...really put things into perspective for me
makes me wonder if 'waking' life isnt just an extension of the same situation...really put things into perspective for me
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 05:54 PM
I love salvia, but am ever fearful of it. I might smoke some when I eat the other half of my mescaline tar extract (the first half didn't do what I thought it should have) and see what happens. For a short trip it is very scary. I'll be careful to never black out, hopefully it works cuz I hate, hate, hate blacking out. That's why I stopped getting drunk - though I was never much of a drinker, the last two times I got drunk I blacked out. It's freaky enough just to be out of control of myself, which is probably why I was never much for drinking. I am glad I tried again after my first scary ass experience which is now quite enjoyable to think about in retrospect.
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 06:11 PM
i tell you its realy scary being stuck in eternety! weeks after the experience i had a feeling that we live in some sort of matrix world.
that was about a year now, i havnt dared doing it since then.
Someone that had the same feeling as me. A short time after i blacked out and came back...i felt different. Some fucked up shit in my life happened...my girl broke up with me, threw me out, wasn't sure if i was going to be able to go back to school...as well as many other things.
For a couple months I had thoughts like..."Maybe I'm still tripping and I'll come out of it." Crazy shit salvia is.
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Posted 28 September 2006 - 06:36 PM
makes me wonder if 'waking' life isnt just an extension of the same situation...
whoa! what a nice mindfuck you came up with there! :special:
have you tried combineing salvia with other hallucinogens? i tried with a tryptamine, 4-acetoxy-det, it was no fun, i just blacked out. from my, and my friends experiences, the only effect you get when you do it with other drugs is the "salvia gravitation" but that is pretty cool to...I might smoke some when I eat the other half of my mescaline tar extract
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Posted 03 October 2006 - 06:36 AM
What do y'all think about smoking salvia through a hookah? Would it be too dangerous?
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Posted 03 October 2006 - 09:52 AM
It would work I'm sure, but I think it could be wasteful, so judging the dose may prove more difficult than it already is. Besides salvia isn't a group experience really. I just put a pinch on top of some ashes in a regular pipe.
As far as dose goes I gave up weighing it with my scales and do it by sight and based on potency and the size and number of hits. For instance, one large hit from 10x will take me to level 4 but I can control my fear a little and I know I'm fucked up, but two big hits and I'm still lucid in level 5 but I don't know what happened and this world seems like it never happened and I'm never going back, but of course I do come back. This has to be modified if you use it more as you may become more sensitive to the drug and it also varies for each individual - some people have a hard time breaking through even on 20x.
As far as dose goes I gave up weighing it with my scales and do it by sight and based on potency and the size and number of hits. For instance, one large hit from 10x will take me to level 4 but I can control my fear a little and I know I'm fucked up, but two big hits and I'm still lucid in level 5 but I don't know what happened and this world seems like it never happened and I'm never going back, but of course I do come back. This has to be modified if you use it more as you may become more sensitive to the drug and it also varies for each individual - some people have a hard time breaking through even on 20x.
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Posted 03 October 2006 - 11:33 AM
What do y'all think about smoking salvia through a hookah? Would it be too dangerous?
i doubt it would work well. the whole idea of a hookah is sort of a vaporizor action from the coal(not directly burning the tobacco with a flame) to give a smoother smoke.
salvia wants to be smote with hellfire to get a good hit :) best results from leaving the flame pinned right on it during the entire drag, many people even use those butane jet lighters.
