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#1 bezevo

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 06:20 PM

ok  i became interested in DMT recently ...i really knew nothing about it ....

Now i have read a few books about it . I decided a fun Thread would be  to make people aware of some of the many  plants that contain fare amounts of DMT  ..like some common grasses and  Bundle Flower  there is work being done with some Acacia were the leaves and stems can be extracted , rather than root bark .For examples ,so if you know of any interesting plants  or your doing some research/ extracting on a DIFFERENT Plant please post the info.please !

 

plant of interest, one is  the ICE PLANT (Delosperma cooperi) a popular drought tolerant succulent ground cover plant .i did bunch of searches and found only one old  mention on the nexus post  about a guy starting testing extraction... but they never posted back with results. https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=7418 its a nice looking plant  for zones 5 to 9 .

 

https://erowid.org/e...xp.php?ID=86928

 

From wiki  : (Delosperma cooperi) can be cultivated in a wide range of areas with a Mediterranean climate. Unlike many ice plants, this species is hardy to −20 °F (−29 °C), successfully overwintering at locations such as Denver, Colorado and Chicago, Illinois. The leaves turn red in cold winter temperatures. Due to the low need for maintenance, it is suitable for urban environments and high temperature regions. It can often be found in large, extensive patches. The trailing stems also make it suitable for flowerpots and terraces.

The plant contains the halucinogen chemicals DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, which can be extracted from the leaves. The concentration of these chemicals varies over the year. The content of 5-MeO-DMT rises during the summer and the content of DMT instead rises during the winter.[1] 

 

https://en.wikipedia...osperma_cooperi

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Edited by bezevo, 27 June 2020 - 07:28 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2020 - 06:57 PM

I’ve wondered about that plant, it’ll be interesting to see what you come up with. I imagine extraction from a succulent would be more like a cactus extraction than root bark.
That alk content is interesting - I wonder if it changes due to what it produces or if the plants convert the alks back and forth.
I’ve only worked with desmanthus and phalaris other than the usual suspects.
Desmanthus was a complete bust. I have notes and the other half of the batch I bought around somewhere. Maybe I’ll look around and figure out what I did and try something different. It was an A/B as I recall and a horrible emulsion was involved.
I got a small bead of flowery smelling brownish orange goo from an ounce of dried phalaris that when vaped gave a distinct DMT headspace. I’d gauge it at maybe 20mg, so less than a tenth of a percent yield.
There is also the grammine problem with phalaris. Some say it doesn’t come out in the extraction and some say it’s destroyed by the heat of vaping. I don’t know but I’d avoid it for ayahuasca brews at least.
Cool thread. I’ve often wondered how many plants are out there containing the molecule. I wish I had time to test all of the legume root barks and wetlands grasses.
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Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:09 PM

Fascinating! I love ice plant, and even used to grow a bunch of them, my local nursery has lots of them. Thanks bezevo for the info! :biggrin:


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 07:13 PM

Thanks NORMAN  AND tregar  let me know if you guys do any work with (Delosperma cooperi)

 

here is list of plants of interest it lists several ice plants ...much more

 

https://en.wikipedia...hoactive_plants

 

and drug gardening on reddit 

https://www.reddit.c.../druggardening/


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 01:21 PM

I’ve wondered about that plant, it’ll be interesting to see what you come up with. I imagine extraction from a succulent would be more like a cactus extraction than root bark.
That alk content is interesting - I wonder if it changes due to what it produces or if the plants convert the alks back and forth.
I’ve only worked with desmanthus and phalaris other than the usual suspects.
Desmanthus was a complete bust. I have notes and the other half of the batch I bought around somewhere. Maybe I’ll look around and figure out what I did and try something different. It was an A/B as I recall and a horrible emulsion was involved.
I got a small bead of flowery smelling brownish orange goo from an ounce of dried phalaris that when vaped gave a distinct DMT headspace. I’d gauge it at maybe 20mg, so less than a tenth of a percent yield.
There is also the grammine problem with phalaris. Some say it doesn’t come out in the extraction and some say it’s destroyed by the heat of vaping. I don’t know but I’d avoid it for ayahuasca brews at least.
Cool thread. I’ve often wondered how many plants are out there containing the molecule. I wish I had time to test all of the legume root barks and wetlands grasses.


As D-limonene is almost as effective as xylene on extract of cactus, Any thoughts on how effective using d limonene on this ice plant or other succulent,possibly deem containing as opposed to the normal nap/hep nps?


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 01:25 PM

Never having come across the god molecule,I am curious over the effect of spirit and god molecule combined.

What would be the perfect ratio of nn, / and 5meo?

Does anyone have any experience riding both these molecules at once?


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Posted 28 June 2020 - 02:20 PM

I’ve never worked with d limonene.
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Posted 28 June 2020 - 05:15 PM

Ronald is not 5-MeO-DMT    ...supposed to be way stronger than nn-DMT ?

so dose adjustments might be needed ?


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Posted 29 June 2020 - 06:10 PM

Ronald is not 5-MeO-DMT ...supposed to be way stronger than nn-DMT ?
so dose adjustments might be needed ?


Certainly. Typical breakthrough dose for nn dmt is 40-60mg.

5-Meo dosage is around 5-10mg.

Very different experiences from what I understand.

If one was to extract this ice plant,is there a testing facility in the states such as the one they have in Sweden that will test the composition of the resulting extract?

Lastly, is there anyone who happens to have the ice plant material so one may perform the work on it?

It’s comforting to know that if the bark gets banned,there seems to be plants pretty much all over the world to use as a substitute. Although needing more material and solvents to extract, the option will still be there.


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:24 PM

I'm glad to see this thread started. I have tons of ice plant around me (and I mean that literally!) and had every intention of harvesting some this past winter. I prefer to stick with the somewhat more known quantity of DMT over the more obscure 5-MeO DMT.

On another note, acacia confusa seems to be gaining in popularity over mimosa hostilis, and apparently has a greater concentration in both the root bark and the stem bark than MHRB has.

 

Strictly by coincidence, I just ordered some MH seeds, I thought it might be interesting to start them in the late summer and grow them out through the winter to see what I might get next summer.



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Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:50 PM

Okay buddy you’re up.
Get extracting!
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Posted 06 December 2020 - 05:37 PM

OK  joeya   have you atempted extrating ice plant yet ... hummmm..

 

ok so far my  brown thumb has killed a few of mmy ice plants i'm trying to keep alive tell spring when i an plant out side .



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Posted 06 December 2020 - 11:21 PM

I had a huge patch of these guys growing in my backyard. Recently they got destroyed in a hail storm :(

I see them all the time for sale at the botanical gardens.

Ice plants are gorgeous weird daisy succulents.

I have tons of patches of iceplants, but believe this one damn cluster was the cooperi!


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Posted 20 December 2020 - 05:55 PM

ok here is another  interesting plant family   lespedeza-  i  am readinng some conflicting  data/opinions  ANYONE Know more about this one or have  links please share

 

http://www.shaman-au...pedeza-bicolor/

 

https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=4750

 

https://www.shroomer...Number/10150730



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Posted 16 January 2021 - 11:58 AM

Norman has a thread

DMT Drytek

discussing alternative ways to  checkout/essay  new  interesting plants

 

https://mycotopia.ne...k/#entry1474410

 

another old thread

 

https://mycotopia.ne...tek-experiment/


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 08:36 PM

  So as e have been discussing  findin an  alternative plant to  acacia and mhrb  That will grow in my area zone 5a

so i found this plant  Contender ......Lespedeza Bicolor 

 

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Lespedeza.is a species of flowering plant in the legume family It is native to Asia and it is widely grto zone 4 or 5

.Lespedeza Bicolor is  known as an ornamental plant. In some regions, such as the southeastern United States, it grows in the wild as an introduced and invasive species

SO ....this winter an article was published saying The leaves of could contain up to  .05  nn dmt and bit 5meo ,    

Strangely  up until recently the seeds were sold in  50lb bag for about $40 used for ...erosion control.   

Every single suppler now says Not Available /crop failure ...coincidence hummmm...?   suspicious ..

i was looking to buy an oz to pound seeds . only very few small over price  packs seem available at hummm....

i was hopping to find one of those bags and  distribute a bunch free seeds , maybe they will be available is gain next year .

OK  any one know any info about .Lespedeza Bicolor or is working with it ?

 

https://en.wikipedia...spedeza_bicolor

 

this seems to be only vendor with seeds the bulk seed suppliers were much cheaper but all out of stock

 

https://sheffields.c...spedeza/bicolor


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 11:43 PM

At .05% you’re going to need a great deal of material to get anything but it’s definitely worth a shot if there’s some available.
I’d extract seed, root, and leaf all separately and see what happens.
If you’re playing the long game and planning on planting a yard full, it would be interesting to save back some of the seed and extract it.
What’s the source on that alkaloid content claim?

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Posted 26 April 2021 - 01:04 AM

thev link i have to the original paper . is now dead i should made screen shot or printed it .

 

 

so if anyone has also read this paper or might have a link please   post it thanks


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Posted 26 April 2021 - 02:34 AM

Here’s something-
https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=4750

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Posted 26 April 2021 - 01:38 PM

THANKS NORMAN   It seems a LOT OF CONFLICTING   results on alkaloid content  .leaves , vers seeds vers root bark . it could be seasonal differences and  also cultivator differences . some plants might just  genetically predisposed to produce more of desired  alkaloids . so  i guess  some one could seek out  different sources of Lespedeza Bicolor seeds  .  then test different plants to see if one cultivator had more interesting stuff than other's and test  various parts  seasonally .. it's said even the time of day , morning verses evening effect alkaloid levels in  MHRB or Acacia areso time  and season  that it's harvested effect alkaloid LEVELS.. it seems that the  first plant we discused Delosperma cooperi  when tested  plants grown from diffrent seed sources  had difrent levels and  ..  time of , day or season harvested efected levels also . ?  I'm to old to take on a life time project  but a young person could choose to work with these plants as  a  Academic project towards there Masters  or PHD ect . they could work towards breeding /selecting best plants and discovering what seasons or even best time of day to harvest . WHO NEEDS A PROJECT  ? ? ha ha .

i wonder if every bulk seed suppliers is out do  to  restrictions on importation from china or are all the bulk seeds being bought up for  ummm  other purposes .. hummm..

well have to keep an eye on that . 

i'm going to try find few seeds to pass around and its real perty plant that might survive my climate would look nice planted along a fence .

any ethnobotanists interested in growing this plant ? ?


Edited by bezevo, 26 April 2021 - 02:03 PM.

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