Seems you've seen my opinions and see them as some kind of attack on the information you've provided. I never said people haven't seen fruits after freezing and thawing substrates just that it isn't a readily repeatable method for success. That's obvious else there'd be many successful grows logged by now.
Who at an home environment has a second fridge that is temp controlled in this temp area or wants to do complicated things with one over the course of 1-2 weeks to keep a normal fridge at a specific temp range, until it fruited?
Everyone who wants to cultivate temperate wood loving species indoors in controlled conditions that's who..
It really isn't at all complicated to crack a fridge door and set a defrost timer. If you think that's complicated a poor mans pod fruiting chamber must seem like rocket surgery to you.
I've shared successful grows of other people with all the neccessary information and all I get is stuff to make that info bad.
That info is still there for others to read. I've learned from these grows and formed theories for my own attempts so don't think I don't value the work others have put in to attempt to cultivate the species. How is bringing differing ideas and experiences to the table making that info bad?
There are commonalities among different species such as full colonization as a major pinning trigger. Another commonality is that metabolism is slowed at lower temps. That means slower colonization and if your substrate isn't fully consolidated a delay in pinning until it is. My point is that an approach of colder is better to initiate pinning is taken with the caramel capped wood lovers and this approach in my experience has lead to failure more often than success. Believe it or not there was even a time when cold shocking P.cubensis was a thing.
people have shown that the freeze does work while other methods failed, why argue against the at this moment only working known method ?
It's not a readily repeatable method. The species fruits not only in the spring but also in the fall without requiring a freeze. Take a look at some outdoor grows in the PNW thread over on the other site if you doubt me. It stands to good reason that if they will fruit in the absence of a hard frost outdoors it certainly isn't a primary trigger.
The failed grows might have had other issues like a lack of fae or hidden contam or something else.
The failed grows had issues we haven't yet been able to address. FAE certainly isn't the problem else we'd have had Ovoid cultivation down to a fine art a decade ago. I believe a microbial element may be responsible. Also genetics play a role.Time could be another factor since even outdoor beds don't always fruit first season.
Another thing is, the fruiting conditions of wood lovers can't be generalized, Azur/Cyan are different species with different needs, what works for ovoideo might not automatically work for other wood lovers aswell.
I never generalized fruiting conditions of all wood loving species. I've grown many species including Gyms and am well versed in their differing growth requirements. Azurescens,cyanescens,allenii and subaeruginosa share the same fruiting parameters where conditions are concerned. P.ovoids are a more distinctive species but they will fruit in the same temperature range as the former and have proven to take a long time to consolidate. I have cultivated them here in Australia successfully outdoors and they will fruit in winter (equivalent conditions of fall in PNW) at the same time our caramel capped wood lovers do.
Edited by smellitstinknot, 18 October 2020 - 02:33 AM.