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#1 FLASHINGROOSTER

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:44 PM

 I might regret this but here we go

 

Alternate thread officially started

 

I don't want to get on the wrong side of all this conspiracy stuff, its a bit of a balancing act to allow information to flow. Censorship of information is the worst thing we can do, especially if I considered that to be a large role of this site. To spread information that has been deemed "bad" or "harmful" by the government. We told em to stick it and have found that propagation of magic mushrooms is a wonderful thing. 

 

 We can understand people's mistrust of the government. In recent history they have been caught getting up to just about every dirty scheme you could think of. Stuff that if it didn't come from a credible source you would never believe it. (That's a whole other can of worms I won't open right now)

 

 I do feel like there has been a big of a purge of alternate information due to the pandemic discussions on this site. I think the suggestion to start an alternate theory pandemic thread a while back would have probably been the route to take. Nobody fights back on the 9/11 conspiracy threads, or Jeffery Epstein conspiracy threads so why all the focus on this one I wonder. I have done some shaming in this thread myself and I don't necessary feel good about it. Pretty sure this thread was responsible for Alders exodus

 

It's just a weird subject to deal with bad information. Joe Rogan made a good example with a motor bike. We have the right and freedoms to be able to get on a motorbike and crash that thing into a hill. That's our right, but you can't take that bike and crash it into a crowd of people. Bad information on covid can have potential for crowd level interactions. So when dealing with this type of information, I think we have to ask the question, does it really do anyone harm to believe in this theory. Like does it really do anyone harm to ask the questions that the virus was man made? Perhaps its more important to focus on cleaning up information that lead people to make decisions that could possible harm others.

 

Like if someone suggested that you take bleach with your vitamin D supplements

 

 

Feel free to post any alternate information you may have found on covid19


 


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 10:24 AM

From my observations so far, no one I know has died from this virus.

In all, I've seen the dismantling of our society occur in slow motion. I have given up on my dreams of a future and am just waiting for the first version of the vaccine to come out so I can stick my arm out for some of that kool-aid. I'm hoping it's lethal because I want out. There is no place left on earth to go and no place left for honest men. I"m beginning to think that this realm truly is the proverbial hell spoken of in the bible.

 

This whole thing smacks of a false-alarm fire drill or fake bomb threat. But we're all still milling around the parking lot giving high-fives and playing hacky-sack - waiting for some more chump change to be passed around.

At least, that's what it feels like to me.

 

I've stopped commenting in other threads of this nature because everyone is so convinced that the real danger is this "virus".

I see that the fall-out from deliberately mis-handling this situation is the real cause for all of the deaths, violence, and turmoil. Add that to the normal number of people who die from viruses every year and we have a big number to throw around and scare people with.

 

I tried seeing a doctor for depression. A few weeks after that attempt I received a letter in the mail from my insurance company apologizing for any inconvenience but ....... my primary care physician is no longer a member of the network. Without a referral from a primary care physician, a patient cannot gain access to "specialists". But my insurance company has no problem sending me a bill for all of these months and collecting the funds that they were due under ordinary circumstances.

Affordable Health Care - just another great boon from our government who has our best interests at heart.

 

It is beginning to appear that my only alternatives are to keep smiling, keep working, wear a mask - and hope I can find what I need on the shelf at the grocery store. And, of course, if I need any medical care I can just go to the emergency room or urgent care and wait in line with the rest of North America who has been forsaken by their health insurance company too.

I guess when my job cripples me in a few years I'll just have to commit suicide - since I have no family, no heirs, and no hope of a relationship in the future.

Mark my words, the government is in possession of a shiny new panic button with which they can shut down society at-will. Reckon this is the last time they'll use it? Don't kid yourself.


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 10:54 AM

It might inspire the implementation of universal healthcare if everyone who ends up doomed to an early demise thanks to a lack of it were to make their death count by bringing one or more of the sociopathic vultures who have a vested interest in opposing it with them.

 

We cling to life too tightly in Western culture anyway. It makes us neurotic and anxious and doesn't change the fact of our inevitable mortality.


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 06:13 PM

I don't think I will ever be able to wrap my head around shutting down the world like that. The response doesn't seem to fit the threat at this point. Seems like more damage was done due to decisions done with nursing homes rather than implementing a massive lock down on a healthy population.


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 11:51 PM

The economic damage to everyone but the 0.5% or so is only as bad as it is because of the hyper-extreme disparity of wealth and how it is distributed and allocated.

 

If the global economy wasn't managed largely by high-functioning psychopaths it would have been easy for us all to weather a year-long lockdown without financially ruining anyone or making them homeless or hungry.

 

It should be infuriating, because it didn't have to happen this way in order to save lives. All it took was greed and incompetence, which dwarfs evil intent like the Beirut explosion dwarfs car bombs.


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:55 PM

Feels like it's hard to find answers to those questions

 

Today I was talking to my co-worker who immigrated from Columbia close to ten years ago. He said that covid is really bad down there because there is no financial assistance for people. So it's work or starve, obviously people chose to work and he said the infection has spread pretty bad where his Dad lives. As well people live in tighter spaces so that was part of it. Too many people he said.

 

Income and equality is fubar at this point. For example my wage has seen roughly a fifteen year reduction in the last five years. The journeyman rate is back to the same level as when I started as an apprentice. It sure feels like a kick in the nuts when nothing stop's inflation and our government likes to invent new ways to tax us. Here's a carbon tax on all your essential services like, power, heating and transportation. "We have to put a price on pollution" I didn't know basic services like heating your home and keeping your food cold was a luxury that we can all afford and should pay for it accordingly.

 

So do you just try to tax the crap out of the rich? They seem to be really good at dodging those tax hikes. I suppose that's their trick, having me so disenfranchised that I can't even imagine a world where the super rich are not in control

 

There is a balance and we are way off kilter. Those bar graph's of top CEO salary versus average pay of worker just keep climbing sky high. I don't advocate for redistribution of wealth systems or a basic universal income because I think they punish your average hard working citizen. That communist route is not all it's cracked up to be like it is on paper. You have probably heard the famous Russian slogan. They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work. You have to keep that incentive for people to want to work and become better individuals intact or it all comes crashing down. Why would you put hard work into anything like becoming a doctor if your making the same as the schlub who showed up late and just pushes a stress free broom around all day. Very few people are that altruistic

 

We jumped out of that natural cycle of being a creature on this planet that has to work to survive. You don't hunt you don't eat kind of thing.

 

 

 

btw  World wide we are the 1% that don't redistribute our wealth to those less fortunate so when we figure out the answer to that question of greed we might be able to turn around and point our fingers at the billionaires. Surely we could all afford to give up a small percentage of our income to help people out of poverty. But we chose not to


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:18 PM

 Surely we could all afford to give up a small percentage of our income to help people out of poverty. But we chose not to

 

 

Brother, speak for yourself.  My wife and I are very active in keeping the local food share stocked.    Our part in this world is small, but we try and do right by our fellow man with what we do.


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#8 FLASHINGROOSTER

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:29 PM

Yup we need a whole lot more of that going around for sure



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 10:56 AM

The redistribution of wealth that needs to happen if civilization is to endure much longer is like resetting the board for a new game of Monopoly after someone "wins," which also means the game ends because no one else has the liquidity to move, or pay rent, or own anything. That's fine for a board game but not so much for the real world, which is what the game was designed to point out.

 

The disparity of wealth is SO extreme at this point that conventional economic analysis or tax strategies or anything intended to fix it within the existing paradigm will fail, mostly due to opposition from the very well-financed beneficiaries of the current disaster. We're deep in "desperate times call for desperate measures" territory, which is why calls for a general strike are increasing exponentially at the moment.

 

 

For example, this is how bad it was way back in 1971 (in the UK, but it was no better here at the time), aka "the good ol' days" before the disparity really took off and climbed to the levels of utter insanity where we're at today: Height.jpg

 

The associated article is worth a read and explains the detail of the above image: https://www.theatlan...quality/305089/

 

 

This is how to think of the pattern of incomes in an economy, Pen said (he was writing about Britain, but bear with me). Suppose that every person in the economy walks by, as if in a parade. Imagine that the parade takes exactly an hour to pass, and that the marchers are arranged in order of income, with the lowest incomes at the front and the highest at the back. Also imagine that the heights of the people in the parade are proportional to what they make: those earning the average income will be of average height, those earning twice the average income will be twice the average height, and so on. We spectators, let us imagine, are also of average height.

 

 

 

The rest of the explanation is in the article.

 



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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:08 PM

Yeah, the scary part is that reset in history is usually accompanied with mass murder. When the deck is stacked that high it seems to be the only way to gain some power back is to kick it all over. I don't think anybody actually wants that to happen though, I search for the answer that can come in nonviolence.

 

Dreaming that someone could come up with a better way

 

 

I thought this was a good video talking about what shall we call them, fringe idea's, not the main stream ideology or whatever you want to call it. Covid and censorship being the two that interest me the most. There is of course a wide array of topics in a three hour discussion. I think the best bit for me to think about it how we should try not to become pushers of ideologies, easier said than done but it is something we should strive for. I will try and fail for the foreseeable future

 

The pod father, haaaa

 

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 02:37 PM

Well while we are talking about income and equality. They noted that the most common way to become a billionaire in 2019 was in the finance game, no wonder we are in such shambles. Gut companies and sell them, that's a model for a strong economy

 

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Posted 11 September 2020 - 07:57 AM

The censorship of info is worrisome for sure.

 

 

On a larger scale- the general trend of 'it's non-allowable to question the mainstream narrative' whatever it is

 

'Black lives matter' for example

 

It doesn't matter how objective, or intelligent any critique of the group/movement may be; if anyone is willing to voice this, the knee-jerk reaction from the crowd is bandwagon dox attacks-   

 

completely unwilling/unable to see that criticism of BLM in no way automatically  = Racist

 

 

 

Whether it's COVID Vaccines or any issue that falls under the white-knight equality ideology of the liberals; it's become dangerous (to reputations at the very least) to voice dissenting opinions

 

 

 

The issue, obviously, is who is the arbiter for whether information is considered 'Alternative" or not?

 

 

 

I mean fuck, the world was flat for how long?

 

We used lead in paint for how long?

 

We thought radioactiveness was a cure all?

 

...

 

It blows my mind that people still trust the medical system- at all. I won't even touch aspirin myself, preferring natural, (or should I say alternative?) healing techniques; herbalism mostly. Which I've studied extensively to empower myself not to have to rely on a system that's set up to feed off of my own ignorance.

 

From a super-meta top down level; The 'Non-alternative' system is one that fosters a real isolation between peoples, feeds off war and fear, keeps the populace sick and dumb, and does so by raping and destroying the only planet we have.

 

Yet, we blindly trust this same system and willing accept the 'Mainstream facts' it tells us regarding how disease propagates and how to protect ourselves?

 

It doesn't make sense to me.

 

 

'It's possible you could get sick from this thing in the future; also totally possible that never happens"

 

But you could pay us for  this shot, which might protect you from the thing that might happen, or you might never need it, or, it could possibly completely incapacitate you for life.

 

Um... I'll take my chances with the eventual future thanks?


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Posted 12 September 2020 - 11:04 AM

We just got knocked back to the stone age.  All the gains made over the last 30 years are now insignificant.  Now, its back to survival.  Now we protect our families from the threat of running out of food and water.  Consumerism is dead.  Bling is dead.  Arrogance and oppression of others runs amok.  We must stand up for whats right now, in our individual available ways of impacting reality pushing it back toward what it should be.  We are again in territory we've never seen before, so we must remain vigilant and watchful for threats from pissed off people burned over by their congressional representatives just like we have been, for so many decades, its clearly reached its limits. 

 

And now with partisan lines being drawn so harshly with each side claiming the other is evil and should be exterminated, Trump versus Trump light; both equally pro war, anti- healthcare, anti- student debt relief, anti- the people.  Which preselected predatory capitalist will you choose on the ballet that probably wont be counted?  We lost this nation long ago, when nations were still bigger than corporations and corporations didnt have the rights of a person.  The fascists have effectively taken over the world, but how long can they hold it?  I put my money on the people.  The good people will rise again from the ashes.  Its inevitable.  All our ex military, rise up!  All our vets rise up, follow your oath!  I just gave myself chills. 

 

Kick the dog only so long, before it bites you.  This dog is gonna bite pre- emptively, if I see shit going sideways.  I aint gonna blindly put faith in authority anymore.  They've squandered my trust.  I wonder where this goes next.  We should feel more of that mythic rugged individualism than ever now, because we are really on our own, but we always have been, havent we?  Its just more of a realization of that.  We are born alone and we die alone.  I love the idea of taking at least a part of that gluttonous predator asshole machine down with me, if I go down.  That solidarity is comforting on some level.  But in the words of Braveheart, We all die, but not everyone truly lives.'


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Posted 18 September 2020 - 12:04 PM

The good people will rise again from the ashes.  Its inevitable.

 

And the force that turns the assholes' empires of Order to ash will be the Chaos that emerges from the imposition of that Order on a system that's far too complex to be contained by it (for very long, anyway). The trick the good people need to master is learning how to survive all the burning that will get us from here to there.


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Posted 19 September 2020 - 09:21 AM

If bling was dead I would call that a major step forward. Too bad it goes away with all that other stuff like peoples ability to earn money


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Posted 19 September 2020 - 10:37 AM

Did the rich people really need to get richer during a health crisis?  Did the protests help politicians realize healthcare might have been a good idea?  Nope.  Did it help the rich people realize they should let more trickle down to the peasants?  Nope.  Is there even anything worthwhile being offered to anyone for their vote?  More tax cuts maybe?  I just see nothing but roadblocks ahead, more conflict, more escalation.  This doesnt end well.


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Posted 20 September 2020 - 08:15 AM

Did the rich people really need to get richer during a health crisis?

 

Not any more than any other addict needs to keep using whatever they're addicted to. Or any less.

 

Gollum loves his precious.

 

Time for an intervention.


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Posted 21 September 2020 - 04:18 PM

Yeah I was thinking about that today Rise. It sure seems like we are getting slowly ground down into poverty. I flip flop from being outraged and frustrated that the belt always seems to be cinching up. My mind get's too full of all these things I have no control over. So I start saying fuck it all, nihilist look of, hey I only have a limited amount of time on this planet why pay attention to all the stuff that makes me angry. The worlds problems fade away and you start to wonder if any of it means anything. We are not going to live forever so why waste time trying to re-arrange the chairs on the titanic....  Time passes by and I get saddled with guilt following the motto of "you miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take"  Right Wayne Gretzky.

 

 

So ya flip flopping like a fish these days when it comes to trying to maintain happiness.


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 04:57 AM

I would LOVE to see a complete re-implementation of VALUES, but a decent shift is more than enough to have huge effect.....the "rich" are "rich" because we agree that they are rich........

 

Money is a token of exchange NOT some fundamental property of the fucking universe......one person realizing that FACT means nothing at all...

 

I'm taking my values, my vital energies, and my whipping thorns, away from "them" as much as I can (obviously) I will have to pay my mandatory extorted tribute(s) but I don't have to buy their JUNK.....

 

I'm telling you my gut and my spirit agree with my intellect.....this shit is right out of Sun Tsu's manual.....

 

I know several people that have recovered from the "great plague" and are back at work.....I love the "scary" graphs that show 10% increase in daily "cases" and spikes....

 

(yeah electrical noise looks just like that too at -123 dB yet has very little actual effect on the circuits) 

 

All cause mortality will show the TRUE story.....meanwhile we have Red and Blue SHIT pretending to be "leaders".....I wonder if the fictional Lemmings have leaders????

 

Society has been DELIBERATELY TORN APART....on a global scale.....big shit is being rolled out. I wonder what will actually be done with the new bandwidth?

 

Sorry but all I've seen from BLM is racism, division, chaos, and mindless criminal stupidity......someone wanted them to come out stinking like shit...well, it worked.....

 

I think I'll wait quite a few years before even considering any vaccines......I've started working out and training again.......

 

I'm voting again this year....it WILL NOT BE for anything Red or Blue...THEY ARE THE PROBLEM.......

 

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

 

 

 


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Posted 22 September 2020 - 04:25 PM

I have been avoiding the news again lately and decided to turn it on this morning. Seems to be the same old thing, pumping the fear at us. One guy made the statement that we no longer need to wonder if there is a second wave coming, it's already here. The east coast is threatening the lock downs again. It always sounds like doom is right around the corner with them

 

Yet in my reality, my local life, caution remains very low. Most people do not wear mask's other than the elderly, or the one's dictated to do so at their job. Infection rates are so low you don't hear about any at all. One or two people at time

 

Curios what the economy is like where everyone is at?

 

Things are moving here again but it seems like everyone was forced to take pay cuts around the 20% mark. So there is a serious lack of cash flow that people are used to having. Less money flowing around for sure, somehow though the Quad dealerships seem to be busier than ever, they can't keep stock. So there still must be plenty of folk with little financial worry out there.

 

Not my friends that's for sure, everyone is stressed about finances and wondering if their job is going to exist come next year


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