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If covid deaths are the metrix by which we now measure all our decisions this should garner some concern, or at the very least some attention, but we likely won't hear anything about it in the national conversation. The CBC glossed over it as a simple statement without any inspection. By no means is it a silver bullet but a little discussion on it would be nice to hear

 

Drug overdose deaths far exceed COVID-19 in British Columbia Since January 728 overdose deaths, 189 COVID deaths

In Canada’s west coast province of British Columbia, deaths from overdoses of drugs have hit record levels in May and June.

In May there were 170 overdose deaths, June recorded 175, which is a new record and represents a 130 per cent increase over June 2019. The total number of COVID deaths this year in the province is 189, with no new deaths reported compared to a total of 728 overdose deaths this year.

Officials say fentanyl and carfentanil is mixed in with the drug supply by local dealers who may be inexperienced with mixing drugs as border closings and travel restrictions reduce typical supply routes. However, Staff Sgt. Conor King, a drug expert with the Victoria police says organised crime is still getting illiict drugs into the province in transport trucks from the U.S and cargo ships from overseas.

Both the supply issue and various stresses caused by the pandemic have created the situation of higher deaths according to officials, Quoted in the Canadian Press, Dr. Bonnie Henry, the provincial health officer said. “While much effort has been made to reduce harm, remove stigma and provide the care that people living with addiction need, the impacts of the pandemic have made the situation dire for too many. Premier John Horgan said in a public address last Friday, “We’ve been doing everything we can to address this issue, but during the pandemic the drug supply has been drying up because of closed borders and that means that the poisoned drug supply has intensified”,

 

The deaths have been attributed to opioids, cocaine, and amphetamines have all been detected in analysis of the deaths but fentanyl is the main cause according to test results.

Officials say, the pandemic has also made access to  harm reduction services such as supervised drug sites, more difficult as they have been closed or had reduced access due to the pandemic requirements. This has meant many users are taking drugs alone and with no access to help in an emergency.

Some 80 per cent of victims are male.

Yesterday the B.C Premier sent a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asking for decrminialization of possession of illegal drugs for personal use. In the letter he wrote,

“Criminal prohibitions are ineffective in deterring drug use, and criminalization of drug possession directly leads to both individuals and systemic stigma and discrimination that prevent people from seeking services,”

The Canadian Association of Cheifs of Police (CACP) has also called for the same measure. In a just released report they state: “We must adopt new and innovative approaches if we are going to disrupt the current trend of drug overdoses impacting communities across Canada. Merely arresting individuals for simple possession of illicit drugs has proven to be ineffective. Research from other countries who have boldly chosen to take a health rather than an enforcement-based approach to problematic drug use have demonstrated positive results.(…) Health is best positioned to address problematic substance use and not the police.

[cujoloki]

 

If covid deaths are the metrix by which we now measure all our decisions this should garner some concern, or at the very least some attention, but we likely won't hear anything about it in the national conversation. The CBC glossed over it as a simple statement without any inspection. By no means is it a silver bullet but a little discussion on it would be nice to hear

 

Drug overdose deaths far exceed COVID-19 in British Columbia Since January 728 overdose deaths, 189 COVID deaths

In Canada’s west coast province of British Columbia, deaths from overdoses of drugs have hit record levels in May and June.

In May there were 170 overdose deaths, June recorded 175, which is a new record and represents a 130 per cent increase over June 2019. The total number of COVID deaths this year in the province is 189, with no new deaths reported compared to a total of 728 overdose deaths this year.

Officials say fentanyl and carfentanil is mixed in with the drug supply by local dealers who may be inexperienced with mixing drugs as border closings and travel restrictions reduce typical supply routes. However, Staff Sgt. Conor King, a drug expert with the Victoria police says organised crime is still getting illiict drugs into the province in transport trucks from the U.S and cargo ships from overseas.

Both the supply issue and various stresses caused by the pandemic have created the situation of higher deaths according to officials, Quoted in the Canadian Press, Dr. Bonnie Henry, the provincial health officer said. “While much effort has been made to reduce harm, remove stigma and provide the care that people living with addiction need, the impacts of the pandemic have made the situation dire for too many. Premier John Horgan said in a public address last Friday, “We’ve been doing everything we can to address this issue, but during the pandemic the drug supply has been drying up because of closed borders and that means that the poisoned drug supply has intensified”,

 

The deaths have been attributed to opioids, cocaine, and amphetamines have all been detected in analysis of the deaths but fentanyl is the main cause according to test results.

Officials say, the pandemic has also made access to  harm reduction services such as supervised drug sites, more difficult as they have been closed or had reduced access due to the pandemic requirements. This has meant many users are taking drugs alone and with no access to help in an emergency.

Some 80 per cent of victims are male.

Yesterday the B.C Premier sent a letter to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asking for decrminialization of possession of illegal drugs for personal use. In the letter he wrote,

“Criminal prohibitions are ineffective in deterring drug use, and criminalization of drug possession directly leads to both individuals and systemic stigma and discrimination that prevent people from seeking services,”

The Canadian Association of Cheifs of Police (CACP) has also called for the same measure. In a just released report they state: “We must adopt new and innovative approaches if we are going to disrupt the current trend of drug overdoses impacting communities across Canada. Merely arresting individuals for simple possession of illicit drugs has proven to be ineffective. Research from other countries who have boldly chosen to take a health rather than an enforcement-based approach to problematic drug use have demonstrated positive results.(…) Health is best positioned to address problematic substance use and not the police.

 

 

Thats unfortunate for those who are addicted. Who knows what the states' numbers are? Im sure its either deflated or swept under the rug. My guess would say that this is happening elsewhere as well and probably getting added to the corona tally as well in some way. To reference the dutch that little boy has already used all his fingers and someone else needs to step up and plug this hole. Open up a wide array of support services for those who are addicted and need some form of help. Its sad all those people are dying due to negligence. No action is taken to stem the tide. Fentanyl and its counterpart are responsible for way too many deaths for this to be still on the streets. Iv never researched it but i think its an opiate.

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[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I feel like I should mention it is one of the few places in Canada where a homeless person could survive outside in the winter. So in a sense it becomes a tourist destination for opiate abusers that live on the streets and the numbers do reflect that.

 

So it's been close to a year and it feels like we really haven't got a solid handle on how this thing is transmitted. If we understood it then you would think the measures should be working but last month everyone's numbers all over the world seemed to be going up. California has had some of the tightest restrictions and Florida some of the least restrictive. By that standard one should be flooded with covid and the other barren but that's not what happened. How do you ever make a fair comparison from one place to another. How big of an effect does population density have, does the type's of work in the area make a difference, how about the level of affluence? 

 

It's very difficult to try to make heads or tails out of all the data.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

This is a good example of something that was never proven either way but the discussion was shut down on. Perhaps that is due to resistance from the CCP blocking any international investigation therefore preventing any new information to flow to but I think there is also some pc censorship at play

 

As far as how it happened it is still speculation

 

https://apnews.com/a...8274c1976ea5fcd

 

 

WHO team arrives in Wuhan to investigate pandemic origins

By SAM McNEIL and HUIZHONG WU today

 

WUHAN, China (AP) — A global team of researchers arrived Thursday in the Chinese city where the coronavirus pandemic was first detected to conduct a politically sensitive investigation into its origins amid uncertainty about whether Beijing might try to prevent embarrassing discoveries.

The group sent to Wuhan by the World Health Organization was approved by President Xi Jinping’s government after months of diplomatic wrangling that prompted an unusual public complaint by the head of WHO.

 

Scientists suspect the virus that has killed more than 1.9 million people since late 2019 jumped to humans from bats or other animals, most likely in China’s southwest. The ruling Communist Party, stung by complaints it allowed the disease to spread, has suggested the virus came from abroad, possibly on imported seafood, but international scientists reject that.

Fifteen team members were to arrive in Wuhan on Thursday, but two tested positive for coronavirus antibodies before leaving Singapore and were being retested there, WHO said in a statement on Twitter.

The rest of the team arrived at the Wuhan airport and walked through a makeshift clear plastic tunnel into the airport. The researchers, who wore face masks, were greeted by airport staff in full protective gear, including masks, goggles and full body suits.

 

They will undergo a two-week quarantine as well as a throat swab test and an antibody test for COVID-19, according to CGTN, the English-language channel of state broadcaster CCTV. They are to start working with Chinese experts via video conference while in quarantine.

The team includes virus and other experts from the United States, Australia, Germany, Japan, Britain, Russia, the Netherlands, Qatar and Vietnam.

A government spokesman said this week they will “exchange views” with Chinese scientists but gave no indication whether they would be allowed to gather evidence.

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China rejected demands for an international investigation after the Trump administration blamed Beijing for the virus’s spread, which plunged the global economy into its deepest slump since the 1930s.

After Australia called in April for an independent inquiry, Beijing retaliated by blocking imports of Australian beef, wine and other goods.

One possibility is that a wildlife poacher might have passed the virus to traders who carried it to Wuhan, one of the WHO team members, zoologist Peter Daszak of the U.S. group EcoHealth Alliance, told The Associated Press in November.

A single visit by scientists is unlikely to confirm the virus’s origins; pinning down an outbreak’s animal reservoir is typically an exhaustive endeavor that takes years of research including taking animal samples, genetic analysis and epidemiological studies.

 

“The government should be very transparent and collaborative,” said Shin-Ru Shih, director at the Research Center for Emerging Viral Infections at Taiwan’s Chang Gung University.

The Chinese government has tried to stir confusion about the virus’s origin. It has promoted theories, with little evidence, that the outbreak might have started with imports of tainted seafood, a notion rejected by international scientists and agencies.

“The WHO will need to conduct similar investigations in other places,” an official of the National Health Commission, Mi Feng, said Wednesday.

Full Coverage: Coronavirus pandemic

Some members of the WHO team were en route to China a week ago but had to turn back after Beijing announced they hadn’t received valid visas.

 

That might have been a “bureaucratic bungle,” but the incident “raises the question if the Chinese authorities were trying to interfere,” said Adam Kamradt-Scott, a health expert at the University of Sydney.

A possible focus for investigators is the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the city where the outbreak first emerged. One of China’s top virus research labs, it built an archive of genetic information about bat coronaviruses after the 2003 outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome.

 

According to WHO’s published agenda for its origins research, there are no plans to assess whether there might have been an accidental release of the coronavirus at the Wuhan lab, as some American politicians, including President Donald Trump, have claimed.

 

A “scientific audit” of Institute records and safety measures would be a “routine activity,” said Mark Woolhouse, an epidemiologist at the University of Edinburgh. He said that depends on how willing Chinese authorities are to share information.

“There’s a big element of trust here,” Woolhouse said.

An AP investigation found the government imposed controls on research into the outbreak and bars scientists from speaking to reporters.

 

The coronavirus’s exact origin may never be traced because viruses change quickly, Woolhouse said.

A year after the virus was first detected in Wuhan, the city is now bustling, with few signs that it was once the epicenter of the outbreak in China. But some residents say they’re still eager to learn about its origin.

“We locals care about this very much. We are curious where the pandemic came from and what the situation was. We live here so we are keen to know,” said Qin Qiong, owner of a chain of restaurants serving hot and sour noodles. She said she trusts in science to solve the question.

 

Although it may be challenging to find precisely the same COVID-19 virus in animals as in humans, discovering closely related viruses might help explain how the disease first jumped from animals and clarify what preventive measures are needed to avoid future epidemics.

Scientists should focus instead on making a “comprehensive picture” of the virus to help respond to future outbreaks, Woolhouse said.

“Now is not the time to blame anyone,” Shih said. “We shouldn’t say, it’s your fault.”

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Wu reported from Taipei, Taiwan.

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Corrects that the Communist Party has “suggested” the virus came from abroad. It has not definitively said this.

 

[cujoloki]

 

 

 

“We locals care about this very much. We are curious where the pandemic came from and what the situation was. We live here so we are keen to know,” said Qin Qiong, owner of a chain of restaurants serving hot and sour noodles. She said she trusts in science to solve the question.

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Pretty bad when the best quote the reporter could get is from a noodle shop owner. Yea, they are keeping it under wraps. THe map that i looked at ,which was in march when it started spreading, had 8 different variations of the virus in 8 different epicenters. They were color coded and showed how the spread was supposed to be going. In 3-4 months the virus had mutated at least 7 different times if it came from wuhan. Common sense suggests that either the virus was released in 8 different locations and quickly mutated from the original virus, or the virus was spread from wuhan and quickly mutated, or 8 differnent variations of the virus were spread from wuhan. Viruses shouldn't mutate this quickly. Respiratory diseases aare almost impossible to vaccinate against was another claim i heard. As well as a simple deduction that if 8 different viruses are loose and have indeed mutated this quickly then any form of vaccination would be moot due to the virus having already mutated 20 times before the vaccine for said virus is finished. All of this is of course a few minutes of pondering on my part and no way is this the verified truth. Shit people thought bleach could cure it after what they heard, so who know for sure.

https://www.usatoday...2b-E9Fqta_vE76A

I have read in multiple reports that the receptor in your nose is the key place that the virus clings and infects through. This was supposed to be common knowledge but maybe its a lie as well.

[TVCasualty]

Thats unfortunate for those who are addicted. Who knows what the states' numbers are? Im sure its either deflated or swept under the rug. My guess would say that this is happening elsewhere as well and probably getting added to the corona tally as well in some way. To reference the dutch that little boy has already used all his fingers and someone else needs to step up and plug this hole. Open up a wide array of support services for those who are addicted and need some form of help. Its sad all those people are dying due to negligence. No action is taken to stem the tide. Fentanyl and its counterpart are responsible for way too many deaths for this to be still on the streets. Iv never researched it but i think its an opiate.

 

 

FYI: I'm not sure if your reply is formatted that way on purpose, but if not I can fix it if you like. I mention it because on my monitor it's jarring to my eyes so I tend to quickly scroll past text that looks like that rather than read it.

Edited by TVCasualty, 16 January 2021 - 10:19 AM.

[cujoloki]

 

Thats unfortunate for those who are addicted. Who knows what the states' numbers are? Im sure its either deflated or swept under the rug. My guess would say that this is happening elsewhere as well and probably getting added to the corona tally as well in some way. To reference the dutch that little boy has already used all his fingers and someone else needs to step up and plug this hole. Open up a wide array of support services for those who are addicted and need some form of help. Its sad all those people are dying due to negligence. No action is taken to stem the tide. Fentanyl and its counterpart are responsible for way too many deaths for this to be still on the streets. Iv never researched it but i think its an opiate.

 

 

FYI: I'm not sure if your reply is formatted that way on purpose, but if not I can fix it if you like. I mention it because on my monitor it's jarring to my eyes so I tend to quickly scroll past text that looks like that rather than read it.

 

I cant get that to go away. It manifests like that when i try to select quotes and mess up in the prose/building a response process, I guess. Instead of re-writing it like a normal person would i think that it is just a glitch then post and walla, a horrible eye sore (correct spelling?) Please fix them. Ill just rewrite the sentence next time and not be a lazy fuck. Sometimes my photos get turned sideways as well. Any thoughts on how to fix those?

[TVCasualty]

 

 

Thats unfortunate for those who are addicted. Who knows what the states' numbers are? Im sure its either deflated or swept under the rug. My guess would say that this is happening elsewhere as well and probably getting added to the corona tally as well in some way. To reference the dutch that little boy has already used all his fingers and someone else needs to step up and plug this hole. Open up a wide array of support services for those who are addicted and need some form of help. Its sad all those people are dying due to negligence. No action is taken to stem the tide. Fentanyl and its counterpart are responsible for way too many deaths for this to be still on the streets. Iv never researched it but i think its an opiate.

 

 

FYI: I'm not sure if your reply is formatted that way on purpose, but if not I can fix it if you like. I mention it because on my monitor it's jarring to my eyes so I tend to quickly scroll past text that looks like that rather than read it.

 

I cant get that to go away. It manifests like that when i try to select quotes and mess up in the prose/building a response process, I guess. Instead of re-writing it like a normal person would i think that it is just a glitch then post and walla, a horrible eye sore (correct spelling?) Please fix them. Ill just rewrite the sentence next time and not be a lazy fuck. Sometimes my photos get turned sideways as well. Any thoughts on how to fix those?

 

 

You can highlight any text you want to remove formatting from and click the button that looks like an eraser at the top and second from the left of the Editor toolbar. That should take care of it (it worked when I did it just now to your previous replies).

[ElPirana]

Thats unfortunate for those who are addicted. Who knows what the states' numbers are? Im sure its either deflated or swept under the rug. My guess would say that this is happening elsewhere as well and probably getting added to the corona tally as well in some way. To reference the dutch that little boy has already used all his fingers and someone else needs to step up and plug this hole. Open up a wide array of support services for those who are addicted and need some form of help. Its sad all those people are dying due to negligence. No action is taken to stem the tide. Fentanyl and its counterpart are responsible for way too many deaths for this to be still on the streets. Iv never researched it but i think its an opiate.

 
 
FYI: I'm not sure if your reply is formatted that way on purpose, but if not I can fix it if you like. I mention it because on my monitor it's jarring to my eyes so I tend to quickly scroll past text that looks like that rather than read it.

I cant get that to go away. It manifests like that when i try to select quotes and mess up in the prose/building a response process, I guess. Instead of re-writing it like a normal person would i think that it is just a glitch then post and walla, a horrible eye sore (correct spelling?) Please fix them. Ill just rewrite the sentence next time and not be a lazy fuck. Sometimes my photos get turned sideways as well. Any thoughts on how to fix those?

 
You can highlight any text you want to remove formatting from and click the button that looks like an eraser at the top and second from the left of the Editor toolbar. That should take care of it (it worked when I did it just now to your previous replies).

The problem I have is that when using my phone, there is no editor toolbar, even after clicking “More reply options”. Only when using my laptop instead of phone do I get access to the toolbar. That also limits my ability to insert a full-size pic into a post instead of just a thumbnail.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Look at these nerds science the shit out of this

 

[Direct Link]

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

In Regards to PCR testing, I was trying to post the NYT article talking about the effectiveness of pct testing but I don't have a subscription so rather than post alternate news articles that people will roll their eyes at I found this. No journalistic interpretation for us to parse over.  I definitely learned some things, it mostly discounted what I had previously read and some seemed to back it up, but that's just my interpretation .

 

https://www.publiche...2-pcr.pdf?la=en

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 24 January 2021 - 10:15 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Hmmmm the plot thickens

 

Some things are just a little to suspicious to ignore. Like the fact that a coronavirus with gain of function technology found it in just so happened to have an outbreak in one of the rare places in the world where they do this type of research. Let's follow up on their rigorous investigation  into that lab that everyone accepted as fact, from the report that came out a month or so ago

 

Remember, no real evidence or credible link has been found to prove the animal to human theory yet either

 

I was trying to find the interview that 60 minutes did with with US member that was in the investigation team and this was the best I could do.

 

[Direct Link]

 

This could provide some motive for all the suppression this story has seen in the news, I thought it felt odd that it somehow became racist to question where the outbreak of a pandemic came from.

 

Fuck it I am too lazy to format out another lengthy post today, anyway in this article they also mentioned that the WHO investigation team walked back that claim that the lab was eliminated as a possibility saying all options are still on the table

 

https://www.usatoday...umn/4765985001/

 

Not like anyone had any interest in perhaps covering up such a massive blunder. People don't try to hide their mistakes right... Anyway something to consider

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 14 April 2021 - 04:28 PM.

[TVCasualty]

Remember, no real evidence or credible link has been found to prove the animal to human theory yet either

 

 

It is well established via DNA testing that SARS-CoV-2 came from an animal, probably a bat: https://theconversat...in-a-lab-141850

 

 

There's also the fact that most diseases that humans endure originally came from animals to consider. So it's reasonable to assume that that's also the case with SARS-CoV-2. It's not absolute proof, but the probability is arguably very high that the jump was natural (even if greatly assisted by human incursions into bat habitat) and the evidence for this is only growing as studies continue.

 

And frankly at this point does it even matter?

 

It's like finding someone to blame for Chernobyl or Fukushima; so what if we do? Even if some patsy is blamed and imprisoned or executed the mess still needs to be dealt with and it's not like we're going to quit building nuclear reactors in tsunami zones (they need the cooling water) or stop studying extremely dangerous pathogens in questionably-secure labs. At least the USSR isn't still around designing and building shitty nuclear reactors anymore, so there's one less thing to worry about on the list of 10,000 things a person alive today should arguably be at least a little worried about.

[rockyfungus]

Most viruses have a natural reservoir in animals. Think rabies, west nile virus, Zika (wtf happened with that?). 

A lot of these examples are transmissible by contact with an animal. We also have the avian flu which I believe started spreading from bird markets in china...just like the bat and corona...Did they clean up those wet markets?

 

https://www.national...ese-wet-markets

https://www.national...-how-it-started

Just enter a fake email address to read the article

Edited by rockyfungus, 16 April 2021 - 05:43 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

 

Remember, no real evidence or credible link has been found to prove the animal to human theory yet either

 

Is there an egg laying emoji?

 

Totally screwed that up sorry, reading that statement it is not what I meant to say. The idea that it came from bats is the basis for the lab leak theory. We know they were studying that exact thing at the lab, trying to understand how these virus's can transmit from animals to humans. We likely all know the stories of them collecting them from bat caves located in the region. I remember the doctor who was studying them said she was freaking out at the start of the pandemic thinking it was them that accidentally released it. Until they did the sequence thing and said they were not the same. You guys probably already know that but I just want to clarify.

 

 

At the core of Dr. Shi’s work is a database at the institute. According to research by DRASTIC, a network of researchers and scientists, this is the most important bat coronavirus database in China. Overall, it holds records of some 22,000 samples and some of their genetic sequences, including for WIV virus sampling trips going back many years. The institute collected more than 15,000 samples from bats, covering over 1,400 bat viruses. The database holds more than 100 unpublished sequences of bat coronaviruses that could significantly help the probe into the origins of the pandemic.

 

I will rephrase that statement and use another words, it is a reference the WHO's offical line after the recent investigation

 

 

“As far as WHO is concerned, all hypotheses remain on the table. This report is a very important beginning, but it is not the end. We have not yet found the source of the virus, and we must continue to follow the science and leave no stone unturned as we do,” WHO Director General, Dr Tedros, commented.

https://www.brussels...s-on-the-table/

 

As far I can tell the wet market remains but a theory, no evidence of origin has been found. Plenty of cases of human to human transmission there though.

 

Does it matter if we find the answer? Well you can probably convince this cynicist that nothing much matters at all. Finding out the answer if nothing else but for conversation sake, there is a whole world out there that is interested in where it came from. Their reasons are their own

 

The question is how exactly did the transmission happen. They have some other theories like the mine incident in 2012.

 

 

Of particular interest are the full sequences of eight viruses sampled in 2015 in an unidentified location in Yunnan province, which was only recently disclosed. In 2012, six people who were clearing bat feces from an abandoned mine in Yunnan developed an illness with symptoms very similar to covid-19. Three eventually died. The results of the investigation into the cause of their illness have not been fully disclosed. A bat-virus sampling trip by WIV-EcoHealth was underway in nearby locations while these six people were infected. A virus designated RaTG13 was sampled from the mine in 2013 and has been described as the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2. Based on limited information about their sequences, the other eight viruses are very similar to RaTG13 and may hold evolutionary clues

 

This is an opinion piece so get yo salt out

 

https://www.washingt...-mystery-china/

 

 

Another thing I want to clear up is the gain of function business. Why are seemingly intelligent people still talking about it a year later?

 

[Direct Link]

 

Ex CDC director, is he just another conspiracy nut?

 

[Direct Link]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

 Got my tinfoil sombrero on today

 

Chinese scientists discussed weaponising SARS coronaviruses 5 years before pandemic: Report

 

Read more At:

https://www.aninews....20210509182359/

 

For some reason it would not let me copy the article sorry

 

So yeah. Could just be one of those documents that never went anywhere. Likely many armies around the world have documents speculating on all matter of biological contingency. But something seems fishy I tell ya, there has been fierce resistance from day one into any outside investigation. 

 

A year for the WHO to have to wait able come in and do their joke investigation is absolutely absurd. It's a know fact that they covered up the human the human transmission and bought up all the worlds ppe before admitting to transmission a month later

 

[Direct Link]

 

In case your skeptical that a government would ever dare experiment on its own people one only has to do a little peek into history to see the grim reality of it. And China please, just check out their massive internment camps where millions of their own citizens are being separated like cattle from their families and sent to re education prisons for something as simple as praying to the wrong god.

 

We all know about the most psychedelically famous case of government fuckery where the cia infiltrated mental institutions and filled up patients with lsd. They then subjected the mentally ill to all manner of psychological tests which appear to come off as torture to me. Flashing lights and electroshock therapy to name a few.

 

https://en.wikipedia...e_United_States

 

The polygon in Kazakhstan is a particularly ugly version of it as well.  I remember one old fellow commented that was how the communist party thought of its people, they piss on us. Testing nuclear fallout on their own civilians was the collective right

 

[Direct Link]

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 10 May 2021 - 12:08 PM.

[Arathu]

I LOVE how the FLU went away last year........can you pass the tinfoil Rooster?

 

I have some strange waves hitting my dome lately....

 

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[shiftingshadows]

of possible interest

some history of pandemics and causes

available as audio or transcript

https://nutritionfac...vention-part-1/

and much more

https://nutritionfacts.org/?s=pandemic

 

"Dr. Michael Greger warned of a coronavirus-like pandemic more than 10 years ago. In a speech, he highlighted the risk of diseases coming from animals.

By Audrey Enjoli

American plant-based physician Dr. Michael Greger warned about the possibility of a coronavirus-like pandemic more than a decade ago.

Dr. Greger issued the warning in 2008, during a speech in Washington D.C. At the time, he was the public health director for the Humane Society of the United States.

“The two greatest threats facing humanity, according to the United Nations, are climate change and emerging infectious disease—particularly pandemic influenza,” Dr. Greger said in his speech.

He discussed the risk of zoonotic diseases coming from the pet trade, hunting, and deforestation. He also highlighted the threat that comes from animal markets and factory farms, where animals are often crowded together in unsanitary conditions."..etc.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Definitely, I have been hording the foil this last year there is plenty to go around. The best answer they have come up with the disappearing flu has been all our protective measures. I think I read somewhere that the two virus's are somewhat similar in the sense that if you got sick from one it would give you some level of protection from catching the other. That's the story anyway it does seem to be odd.

 

Yes sir shadows that is the reason the US and China have apparently been funding gain of function technology on corona virus. The controversial technique of intentionally strengthening the virus, in an attempt to study how to overcome the mutated virus before it happens in a real world scenario. Of course by pure coincidence one of the labs that collects corona samples for study happens to be 300 meters from the wet market and the famous level five lab where they have done the actual gain research is around eight or so miles away.

 

Nobody is questioning if the virus is zoonotic in nature, what they are questioning is how did it make the leap. Someone made the comment that if there was even half the evidence chain for the wet markets or frozen seafood as there was the lab leak theory it would have been case closed months ago.

 

This guy calls bullshit on that famous investigation from a few months back.

 

[Direct Link]

 

He helps break it down the us connection to funding the research

 

[Direct Link]

 

To weaponize is level five conspiracy but gain of function and an accidental leak scenario seems like way to much coincidence

 

Anyway we all know it was those US troops that did it, the CCP said so.

 

 

[shiftingshadows]

    I have no knowledge about whether or not there was a lab leak. It does seem according to Dr. John Campbell that the Chinese did know of the problem, for awhile before announcing it. This is known from satellite photos of parking lots around the hospital(s) in China, showing increased activity before reporting it. So surprise surprise, the Chinese government is lying and covering up.

 

   As regards Dr. Gregor, what he explains is a zoonotic chain that explains one aspect of virus change. According to him virus (flu I think) exists in Ducks (which the Chinese have as live animals in cages in the wet markets, and these cages get stacked on top of cages with chickens), is harmless to the ducks, the virus has no reason to make them sick to transmit itself, as it lives in their gut, and goes out into the water, so when they 'shit' it transmits easily that way.

 

   But when the ducks shit lands on & in the chicken cages (in the wet market) the virus finds itself in a terrestrial animal, and so evolves into a respiratory virus that can spread thru air by coughing. The jump to humans may then be relatively trivial.

This explains a possible chain of events, that applies to other viruses, that find themselves in wet markets.

 

     When human workers, find themselves in factory farms where millions of animals are confined in their own shit and piss, and there is no sunlight, disease and transmission between animals is facilitated, and possibly transmission between animals and humans. There has been some effort to end factory farming, but it is so profitable, and widespread worldwide, it may be unlikely it will stop, even after or during covid-19.