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#1 YoshiTrainer

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 01:50 AM

This is intended as a gathering of grows and information regarding psilocybe caerulescens. Hopefully together we may learn more about cultivation and other aspects of this beautiful and magical species.

I currently have a sub that has pins that are slowly maturing. It'll be interesting to see how long that process takes. Though with the small sub size I'm using, it may effect the time line and probably the mushroom size. The sub is straw/manure/verm plus some hard/softwood pellets, worm poo/chicken feed, gypsum and a pinch of grains. It was PCed in a jar, hit w/agar, eventually crumbled into a small 5C tray and placed in the FC on 8/15? A few days before I noticed pins, the cake was dunked in water for 2+ hours and drained.

I also have a quart jar of a grain mix with hard/softwood added to it. It'll eventually get mixed w/ COIR/verm/wood/coffee? in a bag.

Pictures to follow. :)
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Posted 28 September 2020 - 10:06 AM

I'm in! Got some cakes colonizing currently. Aqua and Red showed in this thread that PF style cakes cased in the jar are workable, so I'm starting there...


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 01:50 PM

A few pictures, chunks of agar working through grains w/a pinch of wood and baby mushies.

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Posted 28 September 2020 - 05:25 PM

YT, what casing (if any) are you using on that tray? Is your FC something standard?


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Posted 28 September 2020 - 09:28 PM

Pretty sure the casing was 1/3 COIR, 1/3 Verm, 1/3 Cacti soil about 1/4" thick? I think some of the white on the casing may be from hard water or possibly H2O2 when the water jar gets low? Here is a pic of my FC, I've added a couple extra holes and am using 1/2 gallon jars for the bubbler instead of Qts.

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Posted 29 September 2020 - 12:09 AM

Are those like a wood loving Semperviva? I’ve read some things leaving me confused.
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Posted 29 September 2020 - 01:29 AM

Looking good YT, nice work! I hope you’ll get a bountiful harvest.

As far as I know there are two varieties of Psilocybe caerulescens—the variety that grows on corn bagasse and the derrumbe or “landslide” variety that grows on eroded soil on mountainsides. I believe the landslide variety is preferred by the Mazatecan people. The variety I tried to grow earlier this year (with only partial success) was the derrumbe. Elfstone pointed out that they seem to be lignicolous aka wood loving, though he wasn’t able to fruit them from wood chips allegedly.

I have two 5lb bags of fully colonized hardwood sawdust which the caerulescens mycelium devoured quite aggressively, so they clearly have an affinity for it though I suspect they need other ingredients to fruit. I’ve also been told/read that both Ps. caerulescens and Ps. zapotecorum (both known colloquially as derrumbes) need sand in the substrate and casing.

For my next attempt at fruiting both the caerulescens and zapotecorum I will use a mix of organic compost, vermiculite, hardwood sawdust and a high percentage of sand.

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Posted 29 September 2020 - 09:52 AM

That's interesting.  I am using something like your mexicana substrate but I am using 1:1 coir to red oak sawdust for semperviva clone trials.  They seem to be coloninizing faster than I could have imagined from LC, but I don't know how they'll turn out.  The sawdust holds a remarkable amount of water I found, to the point that I didn't use any vermiculite at all.  I haven't done side by side trials to say for sure though.


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Posted 30 September 2020 - 08:25 PM

Are those like a wood loving Semperviva? I’ve read some things leaving me confused.


I think in the sense that they are fast to colonize, slow to fruit and strong AF (from what I've read), that is a good comparison. Maybe more of a wood dabbler than full blown lover? :)

"Psilocybe caerulescens is found growing gregariously or cespitosely, rarely solitarily, from June through October on disturbed ground often devoid of herbaceous plants. It often grows in sunny locations, preferring muddy orangish brown soils with much woody debris."
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Posted 30 September 2020 - 09:04 PM

How hard are the spores to find? I’ve got a wood dabbler sub I’m experimenting with.

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Posted 30 September 2020 - 11:51 PM

They are not too hard to find. Hopefully we can eventually flood the community w/genetics, like you guys did w/semperviva.
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Posted 01 October 2020 - 09:52 AM

I don’t have spores but I’d be happy to send out agar samples of my clone culture if folks are willing to wait a bit. I’d have to start out some fresh plates.
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Posted 01 October 2020 - 07:20 PM

I would definitely need to wait a minute. Hopefully all the current Semperviva clone trials go well enough that I can’t jump on another slow fruiter. I will now shut up and watch y’all go :)

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Posted 01 October 2020 - 07:59 PM

I have a caerulescens bulk bag going and two quarts of wheat/millet. The grain is going ever so slowly but the bulk bag is killing it in comparison. The bulk bag is compost/hpoo/coir/sand/verm/straw with gypsum. 20/10/10/30/10/20 or roundabouts.

Side note: I made the same bulk bag for papuana and it likes it too. Day 6 and both are about 40-45-%. Both have that mexicana smell to them(I love that smell)BEB3F7A0-F099-48B1-A2CA-C32A90BBA536.jpeg

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Posted 05 October 2020 - 12:37 PM

One week later and a noticeable difference between Semperviva and Carrulescens, fruit development!

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Posted 05 October 2020 - 12:47 PM

Wow! Amazing work YT! How big are they? Fingers crossed for prints :)
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Posted 05 October 2020 - 01:33 PM

Thank you Don, fingers crossed for prints and clones! :)
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Posted 06 October 2020 - 12:19 AM

That’s beautiful. I like how thick the stipe seems in relation. Like they seem y’all but not spindly. Very nice!

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Posted 06 October 2020 - 09:59 AM

579DB888-69FD-4828-AD6A-B34883E27CBA.jpeg my bag is getting there.
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Posted 06 October 2020 - 10:31 AM

Size wise, they are about as tall as cubes but smaller caps, so far. I don't think they'll make it another week but I'll be sure to give a full autopsy report after harvest.

I wonder what the fresh to dry weight ratio is?
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