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#1 ilikethings

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 06:11 PM

I was curious if anyone here has any other info on this incident?

 

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He appears to be a guy working on cultivating morels up in the U.S. state Michigan.  He has a lot videos on the topic and this is the only one where he mentions the FBI questioning his neighbors.


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Posted 05 October 2020 - 09:49 AM

So the FBI looks into possible drug cases now? Or do his apparent political views have something to do with it?

 

And how does he know that Youtube snitched on his legal activities?



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Posted 06 October 2020 - 07:08 PM

So the FBI looks into possible drug cases now? Or do his apparent political views have something to do with it?

 

And how does he know that Youtube snitched on his legal activities?

Your guess is as good as mine.  I was simply looking up videos on people cultivating morels (notoriously difficult even in small quantities--although i think there is one German Co. that was doing it commercially--but their fruits looked like shit compared to wild harvested fruits so I don't know if they are still around) and his video appeared in the search results.  I just thought it was interesting considering it appeared to be the only video of his mentioning LEOs/FBI--which suggests to me he is not bull shitting about it.  I was just curious if anyone else had any thought or info about the incident because it seemed so odd.


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Posted 07 October 2020 - 02:03 AM

For a time I worked at a teaching mushroom farm. Normally we ran a production edible and medicinal farm. But a few times a year we would have groups of 20+ students from around the world come in for a week of camping and learning. It was so fun talking shop with international folks for a week showing them the ins and outs of the biz. There is nothing like teaching a truly engaged student.

 

The rule for the employee (that would be me), was absolutely no magic cultivation, none allowed on the farm, and only private discussion of the subject between me and my employer. No exceptions. . .NONE (Easy peasy). Because lets faced it, that's how we both found our love of fungi, and there was no use lying to each other about it. But lordy did we smoke some grass. . .All day. Timers with loud alerts are your best friend.

 

But in every single class there was always one student who just didn't fit in. So my employer and I had a game we played called, who be Johnny fed? Sometimes they really tried to fit in, and some times they sent the straightest dude they could conjure up. But it was always obvious.

 

 

Hint: it was never the dude or dudette with dreds and "molecule" tattoos. Nor was it the couple who showed up in the VW bus they clearly lived in.

 

 

Johnny would without fail, bring up the magic at all the worst times. Interrupting lectures to ask THE question, or pull one of us to the side to inquire about the specific methods. The canned answer was; "We don't do that here, but if that's your thing, most all of the methods we teach will work. But you should pay special attention to the compost/dung lovers we cover." End of discussion.

 

More than a few times on my bus ride to the farm, someone would try to make friends with me. Again super obvious, since I was taking a twice a day bus to very rural community, and it was always the same people on the bus. But my new friend was never a regular, and usually after a very short introduction, they would try to buy grass from me. I, from the outside appear to be a "normy," I blend in really well with the rural folk on the bus. Out of the 30 or so Topiates I have met IRL, they have all said I don't fit the stereotype they had in their minds of a Topiate (Insert evil grin here). So there was never a reason for them to single me out, as "The Guy." I was always polite, but very clearly I would blow them off, and be about my business. A few ignored my lack of interest and tried to follow me to the farm. At which point I would become somewhat less polite.

 

 

On several occasions the Sheriff would just happen by at quitting time, as we were departing. A bit odd since the county was HUGE, but mostly rural, and had a total of 2 deputies on shift at any given time. They were an honest to god unicorn at any other time or place in daily life. They would usually ask for ID, and have a few leading questions to ask us. It's weird, they never hassled the the guys at the hot rod shop, or the dude who ran a boat storage, or the good ol boys who ran a "welding shop," but never seemed to weld anything, or have any customers, or any welding machines for that matter.

 

The moral of the story is, Johnny has a hard on for mushroom farms (and websites, so don't be a dumb dumb. Got it?). Yet you very rarely hear of big operations getting busted. What they don't realize is, not only are their tactics juvenile at best, but they are dealing with a different kind of doper. At least that's what I would like to think.


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Posted 07 October 2020 - 08:32 AM

For a time I worked at a teaching mushroom farm.

 

Sounds like a good gig you had there. When I took a Stamets class longer ago than I care to admit I tried to spot the freddie but no one stuck out to me. I wonder how many classes you have to offer before they quit bothering? Looking back now, I bet half of the students probably thought the undercover was me since I aim for total ambiguity in my appearance. I've had some people assume I was a narc and ask around about me and I've also had random strangers come up to me at shows and ask if I had any acid (uh... fuck no, unless you count the doses in my head). I would get stopped by but eventually waved through both Proud Boys and Antifa roadblocks, lol.

 

My ex's mother used to worry me a bit after we got her into psychedelics (which was only possible after her husband died suddenly, leaving her shattered). She eventually got way into neo-shamanism (she writes mostly-incomprehensible books now) and checked off all the boxes; she went to all the conferences and seminars, did Aya in Peru, fucked around in Nepal for a moment, meditated on a comfy cushion at Esalen and all the rest. While attending those seminars and conferences she liked to find and sit next to the guy wearing the wrong shoes or who looked most out of place and likely to be the undercover and proceed to talk his ear off about what embracing the world of shamanism and Ayahuasca and all that could do for him. I tried to discourage her from approaching undercover feds and preaching psychedelic shamanism to them but at the same time I really got a kick out of the idea that some poor bastard who's job was minding other people's business had to sit there and feign interest in what she had to say for several excruciating hours. I was all about psychedelics and exploring shamanism but even I couldn't take her take on those subjects for more than 5 minutes (she's the only person I've ever heard of who criticized her own hallucinations as "tacky" because she didn't like the colors she was seeing, but she used a fancy French word for "tacky," of course).

 

I always assumed that every psychedelic conference would have undercovers in attendance, but I guess Youtube does all their dirty work for them now and we don't even have to offer classes open to the public to let them in for a peek. Which is good news for people who don't have a Youtube channel.

 

 

The moral of the story is, Johnny has a hard on for mushroom farms (and websites, so don't be a dumb dumb. Got it?). Yet you very rarely hear of big operations getting busted. What they don't realize is, not only are their tactics juvenile at best, but they are dealing with a different kind of doper. At least that's what I would like to think.

 

 

 

My guess is that they have a special hard-on for mushroom farms because it's a different kind of dope, and the purpose of their existence is to maintain the status quo at all costs.

 

Nothing else explains it since after a few decades of mushroom-related busts they damned well know that as a group, growers of fungi are no kind of threat to other people or property and are not affiliated with cartels or gangs (at least in the U.S.) because the profit margin is nowhere near good enough to justify bothering with mushrooms if getting rich is the goal. Way too much actual work is involved (not that smuggling tons of cocaine and such into the country isn't work, but the hourly rate for that is a wee bit higher than most jobs and fungi could never match it).

 

So they're not protecting people or property nor are they breaking up big-money drug syndicates by going after anything potentially psychedelic which means something else is motivating them to commit significant time and resources that could much more profitably (and humanely) be focused elsewhere. E.g., shit like the tsunami of Fentanyl killing people across the country, or human trafficking (for starters).

 

While I mostly think our era should be called the Chaos Age, another name that fits IMO would be the Disappointment Age, which is the moment in our history when we are able to witness firsthand our incredible potential as a species (we got photos of a black hole, a manned space station, and autonomous buggies roving around on Mars for fuck's sake) while simultaneously witnessing ourselves squandering it all by somehow allowing ourselves to be "led" by self-serving high-functioning psychopaths.

 

Gosh, if only there was something that could change our consciousness to the degree necessary to save ourselves from ourselves...


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 02:17 PM

"While I mostly think our era should be called the Chaos Age, another name that fits IMO would be the Disappointment Age, which is the moment in our history when we are able to witness firsthand our incredible potential as a species (we got photos of a black hole, a manned space station, and autonomous buggies roving around on Mars for fuck's sake) while simultaneously witnessing ourselves squandering it all by somehow allowing ourselves to be "led" by self-serving high-functioning psychopaths."

 

 

--> Not to mention that the U.S. DoD affirmed that there are legit UFO's entering our airspace!


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 03:14 PM

The space aliens really need to quit being so coy and just land on the White House lawn, reveal their presence, and use their unimaginably-superior technology to save our dumb asses (ASAP!).

 

It's either them or Jesus at this point, and if I were a gambler I'd bet that aliens showing up is the most likely of those two extremely unlikely possibilities. Unless... What if Jesus WAS an alien?  :tinfoil:


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Posted 24 October 2020 - 04:00 PM

The space aliens really need to quit being so coy and just land on the White House lawn, reveal their presence, and use their unimaginably-superior technology to save our dumb asses (ASAP!).

 

It's either them or Jesus at this point, and if I were a gambler I'd bet that aliens showing up is the most likely of those two extremely unlikely possibilities. Unless... What if Jesus WAS an alien?  :tinfoil:

I've gone pretty deep into the UFO (and ET hypothesis).  I too (among many others) had the thought that Jesus was an alien.  I take it that you are familiar with the Jesus was a mushroom theory too, i.e. John Marco Allegro.  I think this is the best "conversation/debate" on the subject of Jesus and mushrooms.  It's a debate between Professor Jerry Brown of Florida International University (pro-mushrooms inspired Christianity) vs. Tom Hatsis (anti-mushroom/Christianity connection)--but he notes that other substances (e.g. cannabis) where used by early Catholic priests.  https://psychedelics...ushroom-debate/

 

At least now, the existence of UFOs is not debatable since the U.S. Navy said there are UFOs.  And Raytheon has also stated that their imaging systems captured the UFO footage: https://www.raytheon...ure/uap_atflir 

 

Then there is the Navy's "Fast Mover" program and their new patent on a craft that can traverse water, air, and space: https://www.thedrive...e-tech-advances


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Posted 25 October 2020 - 11:09 AM

It occurred to me that it might not be a coincidence that the feds started harassing a Michigan mushroom grower now that Ann Arbor has deprioritized enforcement of laws against psychedelic fungi (they didn't exactly decriminalize anything). But then I saw that the Youtube video was posted in April of 2019, so I guess that's not it after all.

 

But it suggests a potential issue to keep in mind for anyone contemplating moving to one of the places that are relaxing enforcement of laws against psychedelics, which is that State or local decriminalization of drugs or deprioritization of enforcement of drug laws does not preclude Federal enforcement of same, and if the Federal gov't is sufficiently overrun with reactionary authoritarian assholes (as it appears to be at the moment) then they could add "the scourge of dangerous mind-altering drugs!" to the list of current top-priority wedge issues that make no sense to focus on right now unless the goal is more conflict and division, such as abortion or the right to be a faith-based bigot in general while conducting business (etc.).

 

That the FBI (or any Agency, really) has even a single Agent wasting their time with harassing someone who is growing mushrooms is unconscionable and I think a case could be made that it's also evidence of institutional incompetence and gross negligence (even if it's on purpose) since prioritizing the enforcement of victimless crimes while so many examples of serious, immediate, and tangible threats to life and property exist, not to mention the current ongoing existential threat to the U.S. political system itself presented by both foreign and domestic groups.


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Posted 07 November 2020 - 04:08 PM

@TVCasualty, I concur.  Seems like they should focus their time on "crimes" that actually have victims.  Where are the Epstein/Maxwell CD's and DVD's that the FBI has of all the people banging 14 year olds!?  I'm not a Qanon person but I've been following Epstein since 2016.  Epstein not the only one.  The guy (John Mark Dougan) that runs this website (https://pbsotalk.org/) fled the US via Canada and now lives in Russia.  somewhere on that site you can see the Palm Beach Sheriff with his son on a golf course with a naked coked out escort.  i attached two photos of Palm Beach cops (and the young guy is one of their 18yo sons).  Too legit to quit!  Sad.

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Posted 08 November 2020 - 10:38 AM

Ewww.


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Posted 08 November 2020 - 04:04 PM

While I mostly think our era should be called the Chaos Age, another name that fits IMO would be the Disappointment Age, which is the moment in our history when we are able to witness firsthand our incredible potential as a species (we got photos of a black hole, a manned space station, and autonomous buggies roving around on Mars for fuck's sake) while simultaneously witnessing ourselves squandering it all by somehow allowing ourselves to be "led" by self-serving high-functioning psychopaths.

 

I think The Muddled Ages perfectly encapsulates our existence as serfs in a cyberfeudal world.


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Posted 08 November 2020 - 04:13 PM

I took to calling our time the Lite Ages awhile back, but the times are not merely light and vacuous anymore so it no longer applies (now they're getting kind of dark and vacuous).
 


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Posted 25 November 2020 - 03:47 PM

I've been trying to find a video clip/news clip covering the story of police in either Oregon or Washington state hiding in the bushes/brush in parks waiting for people to come by and pick active mushrooms--but I can't find one.  If anyone has a link, I'd appreciate it!  I know this is a thing because i've read text/print articles about it. 


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Posted 30 November 2020 - 01:10 PM

One of my now-deceased uncles used to hide in the ceilings of public bathrooms in parks in Los Angeles to catch gay men hooking up in them back in the 70's. I should add that he was an LAPD cop, not that that makes it any less fucked-up, idiotic, or perverse.

 

Stamets suggested that the best place to hunt woodlovers in the PNW is the mulch of the landscaping around police stations and jails where they take mushroom pickers they arrest (along with all the mushroom spores stuck to them from picking, lol). They probably also don't watch that space so close, but ubiquitous cameras have probably made it a bad idea to look there now.


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Posted 06 December 2020 - 05:39 PM

@TVCasualty, OMG, such a waste of resources and your uncle's time!  crazy.  Yes, I heard Stamets state that.  Here is one imperfect example of what I was looking for: https://www.psymposi...wild-mushrooms/


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Posted 06 December 2020 - 07:41 PM

@TVCasualty, I concur.  Seems like they should focus their time on "crimes" that actually have victims.  Where are the Epstein/Maxwell CD's and DVD's that the FBI has of all the people banging 14 year olds!?  I'm not a Qanon person but I've been following Epstein since 2016.  Epstein not the only one.  The guy (John Mark Dougan) that runs this website (https://pbsotalk.org/) fled the US via Canada and now lives in Russia.  somewhere on that site you can see the Palm Beach Sheriff with his son on a golf course with a naked coked out escort.  i attached two photos of Palm Beach cops (and the young guy is one of their 18yo sons).  Too legit to quit!  Sad.

If I were them, I'd have asked for my money back. :biggrin:

 

That said, has there been some advance in morel cultivation that I missed since I was gone? I thought that they needed their mycorrhiza symbiosis to be with trees.

 

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Posted 11 December 2020 - 05:42 PM

catsandbats,

ditto re money back...just sad.  And while I have no issue with any of those things individually in potentially some fact set (i.e. cocaine, sex workers (they need respect), and golf), under the facts asserted in the above rabbit hole, which appear to be accurate, it is totally out of bounds and illegal...yet, as far as I know, noone went to jail--let alone charged.

 

Bats are crazy too.  they think they can just fly around even though they basically blind...and we supposed to trust they okay to fly because they got good hearing...shhhiiiittt son...had to lighten the mood here.


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