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#1 LadyCokies

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 06:57 PM

I've a sensitive stomach, often nauseous, when I take psy they increase a lot, favoring a bad trip that I find difficult to control, especially at the beginning. I know it's normal, but I would like to be able to decrease it if possible.
 
I've read in the forum that lime infusion can help, but the acid increases the effects and I don't know if it is good for me (I'm not very experienced with psy)
I've also read that ginger helps, but increases body temperature, is this good?
 
Thanks for the tips and for this wonderful forum that I found.

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:07 PM

Welcome!

 

FWIW, the lime soak makes it seem like it boosts potency but it really doesn't do that so much as put the whole dose into your brain in a much shorter amount of time. So while it seems like it comes on stronger, it also comes on "cleaner" (hard to describe) and lasts a shorter amount of time. In my opinion there's no down side to the lime soak and it's the only way I take fungi now unless I'm on the road with a tub of my honey recipe posted in the archives (which contains ginger).

 

Ginger or a papain supplement (papaya enzymes you can get at health food stores) might help with nausea, and if ginger boosts body temp then it might cancel the lowering effect on it that fungi seems to have so it might be an advantage (especially in Fall and Winter).


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:16 PM

I have a sensitive stomach too.. I always take them on an empty belly first off so if i do puke im not puking up food.. smoking herb helps calm my stomach no matter what it is making me nauseous..
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Posted 28 October 2020 - 08:17 PM

I know it may be a little advanced, but look for Coorsmikey's thread about alcohol extraction.

I haven't tried it yet but there are reports that is all but eliminates many issues including nausea.

 

Edit:  Heres the thread: https://mycotopia.ne...thanol-extract/


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Posted 28 October 2020 - 09:22 PM

I get nausea very easily on shrooms. Most methods I’ve tried to ingest will cause stomach issues except tea. If I extract the goods into water and don’t consume any of the mushroom then I can usually avoid nausea, and no vomiting.
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Posted 28 October 2020 - 11:20 PM

IMHO, the best way to avoid the nausea is to avoid the fruit bodies themselves by using an extraction.  Tea or an ethanol extraction are probably the easiest methods.

 

I personally prefer tea.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 01:41 PM

Welcome!

 

FWIW, the lime soak makes it seem like it boosts potency but it really doesn't do that so much as put the whole dose into your brain in a much shorter amount of time. So while it seems like it comes on stronger, it also comes on "cleaner" (hard to describe) and lasts a shorter amount of time. In my opinion there's no down side to the lime soak and it's the only way I take fungi now unless I'm on the road with a tub of my honey recipe posted in the archives (which contains ginger).

 

Ginger or a papain supplement (papaya enzymes you can get at health food stores) might help with nausea, and if ginger boosts body temp then it might cancel the lowering effect on it that fungi seems to have so it might be an advantage (especially in Fall and Winter).

 

I have a sensitive stomach too.. I always take them on an empty belly first off so if i do puke im not puking up food.. smoking herb helps calm my stomach no matter what it is making me nauseous..
Welcome to topia and good luck

 

Does the issue of smoking disturb your trip?

 

I know it may be a little advanced, but look for Coorsmikey's thread about alcohol extraction.

I haven't tried it yet but there are reports that is all but eliminates many issues including nausea.

 

Edit:  Heres the thread: https://mycotopia.ne...thanol-extract/

My partner already told me that since it's a poison, it's normal for my body to feel that need, even if I don't vomit, that is why we always eat them on an empty stomach.
I also knew that it can be mixed with alcohol, although I don't know how to do it, I will look at that recipe and look for the one for the honey jar, I really like this one and ginger is something that is often recommended, so great.
 
Thank you very much everyone for your help ^^


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 02:04 PM

I've always smoked while tripping.. if it's strong enough you won't even feel the herb.. problem is its a bit difficult to roll a joint when you're tripping balls.. lol..so I usually roll a couple before I trip.. smoke one if i get nauseous and another when I'm coming down. I seem to come down quicker when i do smoke

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Posted 29 October 2020 - 03:48 PM

 

Welcome!

 

FWIW, the lime soak makes it seem like it boosts potency but it really doesn't do that so much as put the whole dose into your brain in a much shorter amount of time. So while it seems like it comes on stronger, it also comes on "cleaner" (hard to describe) and lasts a shorter amount of time. In my opinion there's no down side to the lime soak and it's the only way I take fungi now unless I'm on the road with a tub of my honey recipe posted in the archives (which contains ginger).

 

Ginger or a papain supplement (papaya enzymes you can get at health food stores) might help with nausea, and if ginger boosts body temp then it might cancel the lowering effect on it that fungi seems to have so it might be an advantage (especially in Fall and Winter).

 

I have a sensitive stomach too.. I always take them on an empty belly first off so if i do puke im not puking up food.. smoking herb helps calm my stomach no matter what it is making me nauseous..
Welcome to topia and good luck

 

Does the issue of smoking disturb your trip?

 

I know it may be a little advanced, but look for Coorsmikey's thread about alcohol extraction.

I haven't tried it yet but there are reports that is all but eliminates many issues including nausea.

 

Edit:  Heres the thread: https://mycotopia.ne...thanol-extract/

My partner already told me that since it's a poison, it's normal for my body to feel that need, even if I don't vomit, that is why we always eat them on an empty stomach.
I also knew that it can be mixed with alcohol, although I don't know how to do it, I will look at that recipe and look for the one for the honey jar, I really like this one and ginger is something that is often recommended, so great.
 
Thank you very much everyone for your help ^^

 

 

 

Yup for me its the mushroom material that causes the indigestion, the worst seems to be pills. Like they said, tea seems to work around that issue. I can picture those pills dissolving and the dry material failing to mix in, like too much flour. Instant stomach rumble, but like any medication it usually goes down better without an empty stomach. Even chugging water can help a bit. But all that can have it's disadvantages as far as potency. Smoking, well ya I usually do that too. It does seem to smooth out the ride a bit and I find helps me get to sleep.

 

Took mushrooms at 9:00... well it is a bit late but still not 10....six hours later, oh ya not getting to sleep any time soon. Crap I miscalculated again. I find that sleep is the most important aspect of feeling great the next day after a trip.

 

 

For years I always thought of them being a kind of poison to explain the ill effects. I say no to it being a poison, what kind of poison makes you feel fantastic the next morning eh?


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 04:00 PM


 

For years I always thought of them being a kind of poison to explain the ill effects. I say no to it being a poison, what kind of poison makes you feel fantastic the next morning eh?

 

I never got the feeling that it's a kind of poison.  The nausea for me is only at the beginning of the trip, by the time I get toward the peak I'm past the nausea.  And you're right, often the next day feels great.

 

Alcohol seems like a poison.  That's why if you drink a lot you can feel like shit for the next day or more.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 04:39 PM

I'll also say that tea free from solids helps. The mushroom solids are basically a gastric irritant.

That's not to say that tea won't make me nauseous too, but it takes more. Sometimes I get nauseated on 9 grams and it's not uncommon for it to proceed to vomiting at 12 grams but few people dose as high as I do, it seems :laugh:

I always quickly drink half of the tea on an empty stomach and then wait 15 minutes until I start to feel it before gulping down the rest. For me this reduces nausea, it also reduces the sudden jarring alteration of consciousness drinking my 7+ grams all at once produces. For others, drinking the whole dose at once might be better for nausea. It depends on body chemistry.

To a small extent on mushrooms, but a greater extent on pharmahuasca or mescaline, I don't mind vomiting once all of the drug is in my blood. If the last dose of a drug is kicking in strong and there is still nausea then vomiting will likely end it and let the trip proceed smoothly. This may be the main determinant whether someone is better off taking all the dose at once or in two, or even three, portions.

If lower doses prevent nausea the doses may best be separated into portions. If significant nausea is inevitable it may be best to gulp it down all at once so as much gets in the blood as possible before vomiting happens. Experiment and keep track.

And have a vomit bucket. I have a little pet bucket that is used for all kinds of things in my house and lab but I forever call it my vomit bucket because any time I take pharmahuasca, a respectable dose of mescaline, or a large dose of mushrooms it follows me everywhere until after the peak. My little vomit bucket has seen universes Explode!

:wub: Vomit bucket :wub:

 

Oh, and a piece of crystallized ginger can help eliminate the last traces of nausea after vomiting [or not vomiting] and its proven safe with pretty much everything, including harmalas. It's used in baking, so it can be found in some stores.


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Posted 29 October 2020 - 10:28 PM

Take my advice with an entire salt lick, I've had only four mushroom experiences.

 

I dose with banana smoothies and go for a run when during the come-up. I recommend this. All but my most recent trip were good, and the last wasn't a banana smoothie (or a reasonable dose). Very clean come-ups without any nausea. I enjoy the body load. I use bananas to help with indigestion. It might be placebo, but it helps me.



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Posted 30 October 2020 - 12:40 AM

That's why you're not suppose to consume enough psilocybin to orbit a elephant xlcor :p

Did you get your bill for the damage yet? Lol
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Posted 30 October 2020 - 04:48 AM

Do you lose potency drinking just the tea vs the whole slurry?



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Posted 30 October 2020 - 09:32 AM

That's why you're not suppose to consume enough psilocybin to orbit a elephant xlcor :p

Did you get your bill for the damage yet? Lol

 

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Posted 30 October 2020 - 02:11 PM

There is no anti- nausea medicine that even comes close to Cannabis.  Its a given perhaps, but it has to be said. TVs lime soak is probably the second best thing you can do to curb that nausea, and tied for second is probably making tea and draining out the material after a rolling boil.  GL. 


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Posted 30 October 2020 - 02:22 PM

I would echo the recommendations of lime juice soak and extraction, while also recommending a simple stir fry or cooking with your fungi.

Sensitivity to chitin isn't uncommon, and eating raw mushrooms is a big ol' dose of chitin right into your belly.

Are you allergic to shellfish by any chance? I noticed a large portion of people who had nausea from edible mushrooms (like oyster, button, shiitake, etc) also had a shellfish allergy.

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Posted 30 October 2020 - 02:54 PM

Good to see you around KC :) 

 

I had never considered the correlation between shellfish allergies, and mushrooms.  It makes since  when I think about it though.  I've got a dear friend that is allergic to shellfish, and while mushrooms themselves don't agree with her, she enjoys, and suffers no ill effects from my homemade mushroom ketchup, which is basically the liquid from mushrooms drawn out by salt, and mixed with other herbs and spices. 

 

I don't really know why they call it a ketchup, it is not thick at all, and has more the consistency of worcestershire sauce.  It's a British thing I guess.  But I digress...


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Posted 30 October 2020 - 04:47 PM

Good to see you around KC :)

I had never considered the correlation between shellfish allergies, and mushrooms. It makes since when I think about it though. I've got a dear friend that is allergic to shellfish, and while mushrooms themselves don't agree with her, she enjoys, and suffers no ill effects from my homemade mushroom ketchup, which is basically the liquid from mushrooms drawn out by salt, and mixed with other herbs and spices.

I don't really know why they call it a ketchup, it is not thick at all, and has more the consistency of worcestershire sauce. It's a British thing I guess. But I digress...

Sorry if off topic but is your ketchup recipe on here somewhere? If not would you condider putting in the kitchen sub forum or so? :)
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Posted 30 October 2020 - 05:52 PM

 

Good to see you around KC :)

I had never considered the correlation between shellfish allergies, and mushrooms. It makes since when I think about it though. I've got a dear friend that is allergic to shellfish, and while mushrooms themselves don't agree with her, she enjoys, and suffers no ill effects from my homemade mushroom ketchup, which is basically the liquid from mushrooms drawn out by salt, and mixed with other herbs and spices.

I don't really know why they call it a ketchup, it is not thick at all, and has more the consistency of worcestershire sauce. It's a British thing I guess. But I digress...

Sorry if off topic but is your ketchup recipe on here somewhere? If not would you condider putting in the kitchen sub forum or so? :)

 

I've got the recipe in the food porn thread.  https://mycotopia.ne...10#entry1393932

 

There are a couple of places that make it commercially in the UK, but the homemade has better flavor IMO.


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