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#621 fahtster

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 04:10 PM

I also use wheat.

I just use coco coir and verm (CV) for the substrate. You’ll probably get slightly larger fruits with straw manure but those are also exponentially more prone to contamination than CV ime. CV is ridiculously easy compared to leaching/pasteurizing manure and straw. With CV, you literally boil the correct amount of water with weighed out coir and measured out verm and let cool and you’re done.. it’s also very hard for mold to germinate on coir alone so as long as your grain spawn is clean, you shouldn’t have any problem getting to multiple flushes before it contaminates.

But to each their own.. I can give ya the CV recipe if you’d like. I like coco bliss brand coir but a lot of brands work fine.

I allow FAE during colonization… it doesn’t harm anything and closing off substrates while they colonize and making it an anaerobic environment only invites existing contaminates to bloom, ime. Putting in fruiting conditions right away doesn’t cause premature pinning, nor does light.. that’s outdated info.

I’ve had temps 65F - 75F throughout the whole process work fine. Anything above 75F also invites contam blooms ime. The lower temps might slow things down slightly but it’s not worth the risk to go above 75F

FP+ doesn’t require a casing but does improve pinning slightly but I got better pinning using a compressed CV 1” (after compression) top layer. You can throw a 1/2” CV layer on top of the sub and it’ll do great. You can do the bare minimum and pay little attention (once having a dialed in passive FAE container) to the sub and still get a hood flush with these guys… they love to pin

Basically they grow like any other cube… you do what you have in the past with other varieties, you’ll do fine :)

@yosh.. excited you got germ!

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 11:22 PM

.. I can give ya the CV recipe if you’d like. ...
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Thanx for all the helpful details. I would appreciate the CV recipe too. Can hardly wait to get started, before the summer temperatures start to escalate.


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Posted 08 May 2022 - 10:43 AM

Take it from a Manure Sub guy that I am (I started with CV in the beginning), CV is the easiest way to be successful and I've hydrated it straight from the tap with Hot water with No issues.  Doesn't get any easier than that to spawn to bulk.  Another wonderful aspect of Coir is if you overhydrate, you can squeeze out the excess water and never skip a beat in the process.  RR nailed it a long time ago telling folks you can use it for bulk grows, does well as a casing, truly a staple in any MC's Arsenal.  "Follow the Rabbit"

 

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Posted 08 May 2022 - 11:30 AM

Coco coir: 650gm
Boiling Water: 16 cups (1 gallon)
Vermiculite: 2 quarts (8 cups)

I use a smallish cooler to mix it in or lots of ppl use a 5 gallon bucket.. use a new bucket or at least one you don’t use for any kind of grain work.

If you need to only make a single quart of CV, I use a 1/16” of that^^^ recipe and mix in a medium mixing bowl:

40g coir
1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup vermiculite
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Posted 08 May 2022 - 01:27 PM

:cool:  :happy:  :smile: :thanks:


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Posted 09 May 2022 - 08:40 PM

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You're overthinking cubes, they like being choked. Most are using straight coir now. 

LC and agar are interchangeable for most just omit agar for LC. 0.5-1% nutrition. Most don't use karo or honey anymore. 

The standard recipe is 10g malt, 10g agar, 500mL water. I typically go much lower on agar/sugar. 

Temperature and fresh air really isn't important with cubes. 



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Posted 10 May 2022 - 11:38 AM

:smile:  Thanks, RF. I probably have been overthinking 'shrooms, due to other issues I was avoiding, that I really must deal with first.






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