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[jrh]

ApeR

 

 

I filled the jars light so I'd have lots of room to shake. Whenever these guys are done, I'll probably do two shoeboxes (my first shoeboxes, yay!), and then use the little jar for g2g again. Or does the culture start getting tired and I need to go back to an agar plate or something to get more jars of grain?

 

I figure I'll do the shoe boxes in a tub drilled for FAE and GE, tape up the bottom holes while colonizing.

 

But after that I guess my next project is a tub, and I'm not sure what I want to do there.... If I use a modified tub I'm not really sure how to harvest and dunk between flushes. If I use an unmodified tub, I don't have the experience to correct things if it's not working automagically.

 

Oh well, I'll figure that out AFTER these jars finish and I do my shoeboxes.

[jrh]

Same ApeR jars, about 10 days later

 

 

 

Do these look ready for spawning to bulk or G2G? They were shaken once. The two fuller ones I plan on using for shoeboxes, the other for G2G to 5 qts of oats. The last one looks the same as the others even though in the pic it looks way less colonized.

 

Also, when doing bulk spawns, how do I know when to case?

 

 

 

Does the sub need to be completely white like w/BRF cakes? Or do the white knots in the sub mean it's ready to case? Or option 3 that I don't know about yet? I'm using pint jars to try out bulk subs since I don't know what I'm doing yet. These are purple mystics on oats mixed with a combination of coir and jiffy mix as the substrate. I was planning on using straight verm as a casing, but since there's 2, I could try 1 verm and 1 jiffy mix (or CVG) whenever they're ready.

 

Thanks much all.

Edited by jrh, 17 January 2021 - 02:45 PM.

[jrh]

I'm thinking I need to wait for things to be more solid white... I'll check in a week or so.

[rockyfungus]

Is that coco/spawn in jars, what type of mushroom are they? Most cubes won't need a casing.

[jrh]

Yes, the jars are cubes -- purple mystics. It's oat spawn with some leftover coir supplemented with Jiffy mix. I went ahead and moved them into a FC.

 

Someone else was telling me a thin layer of verm would help with fruiting. This was a while back when I was working with a pre-made all-in-one bag.

[ElPirana]

To answer one of your earlier questions, afternoon spawning to bulk I wait 10 days to colonize and then case and put into fruiting conditions. A little longer than 10 days is ok, but it won’t look like brf cakes.

I always have used a 50/50 casing of vermiculite and peat. A couple days ago I cased some tubs with vermiculite only cause I ran out of peat and I knew I wouldn’t be able to get more in time. I guess we can both find out how well it works!

Keep up the good work, looks like you’ll have some fruits very soon!

[rockyfungus]

So, I had some terrible overlay, super common this whole winter for me...Just scratched the surface with a clean fork and cased. I'll let ya know how it turns out.

In the past when I've cased cubes, I've had casing way higher up the stem then usual.
 

[Arathu]

Nice clean spawn is a beautiful thing........

 

Can't wait to see where this goes........

 

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[jrh]

Nice clean spawn is a beautiful thing........

 

Can't wait to see where this goes........

 

Thanks!

 

The two full jars went towards my first shoeboxes, my first tubs of any sort. I got the pattern for the GE and FAE holes from a youtube video, but it sounds like it's more common to see 6 big holes, 2 at 3" up on the long sides and 1 near the top on the short sides. Live and learn.

 

 

The scant jar went towards more spawn. These are on day 8 and were shaken 2-3 days ago, I think. ApeR seems to come on strong with very thick, vigorous, bright white growth. 2-3 days after a g2g, the jars looked like white polka dots, quickly expanding to dime and nickel-sized patches. After that, though, the mycelium seemed content to munch on what it had already colonized rather than expanding and knitting the polka dots together across the whole jar. So I gave everything a thorough shake and now it looks like it's almost done.  I'm planning on using the 5 jars for an unmodified monotub, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

 

I'm trying to learn patience by adding a 'do' date to my stuff, as in don't worry about whether it's time to do something else with this spawn until after this date. So I can go look at my jars every few hours and say 'ooh, pretty' but I don't need to think about doing anything with them until later. (I'm currently unemployed, so 2 days of looking feels like a week of waiting.)

[Arathu]

Look super closely next time and you'll probably see that the mycelium has actually run all over the grains. By the time we can actually see it thickening up it's well established.....

 

Looking great......very nice, neat, work.....learning the patience is of great value to us all IMHO.....woodlovers take years sometimes.....   

 

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[Stencill86]

There’s no “wrong or right” way of doing things, but I would definitely modify your mono tub, as you’ve seen many arguments around here on the topic, they don’t need a lot of fae and/or modification to grow, but they do benefit a great amount with it. That same style you did with your FC would be great, I do mine 5” above the sub level in a 60q mono.

[jrh]

There’s no “wrong or right” way of doing things, but I would definitely modify your mono tub, as you’ve seen many arguments around here on the topic, they don’t need a lot of fae and/or modification to grow, but they do benefit a great amount with it. That same style you did with your FC would be great, I do mine 5” above the sub level in a 60q mono.

 

There's a line of .25" FAE holes under the electricians tape, and then the bigger GE holes above (or did I get those backwards). Is that what you mean? Or just the 6 big holes?

[ElPirana]

Have your bulk tubs that were cased w/ vermiculite started pinning yet? My tubs may have been a few days ahead of yours, got pins in mine. One fruit almost mature enough to try getting a spore print maybe by tonight or tomorrow. Not sure if the vermiculite casing is helping or if these would pin this well regardless, since cubes will pin without the casing.

Edited by ElPirana, 29 January 2021 - 08:56 AM.

[jrh]

Good for you!

 

Mine are in pint jars, but they're not doing anything yet. In fact, they haven't even colonized the sub very much. It's still bright white spots of grain then kind of grayish where it's growing through the sub. These are purple mystic variety which I've never fruited, so I'm not sure how they should be progressing. Also, the sub was some leftover coir that was all fibrous and not soil-like at all supplemented with some jiffy mix, so that may have buggered things right there. I think I'll give them 5 more days and if there's still nothing I'll sterilize and toss them.

 

I have some ApeR shoeboxes and PE pint jars that were made with a proper CVG sub that look like they're colonizing well. They still have 5 days before I can peek at the surface. Of course, now I have Fahtsters magical casing recipe, so probably any future casing will be done properly.

[ElPirana]

Good for you!

 

Mine are in pint jars, but they're not doing anything yet. In fact, they haven't even colonized the sub very much. It's still bright white spots of grain then kind of grayish where it's growing through the sub. These are purple mystic variety which I've never fruited, so I'm not sure how they should be progressing. Also, the sub was some leftover coir that was all fibrous and not soil-like at all supplemented with some jiffy mix, so that may have buggered things right there. I think I'll give them 5 more days and if there's still nothing I'll sterilize and toss them.

 

I have some ApeR shoeboxes and PE pint jars that were made with a proper CVG sub that look like they're colonizing well. They still have 5 days before I can peek at the surface. Of course, now I have Fahtsters magical casing recipe, so probably any future casing will be done properly.

Can you see the substrate from outside the jars?  Can you show a pic?

 

Maybe they're ready to put into fruiting, these bulk substrates won't look pure white like BRF cakes, at least from my experience.  I just took some pics but they are a little blurry, I'm trying to take pics through the tub and a liner (I used a white trash bag as a liner.)  anyway, it looked a lot like what you are describing when I put my tub into fruiting, here's how it's looking now. (I know...not really showing the substrate lol)

 

 

 

[jrh]

Here are some photos of what I've got going on.

 

 

The purple mystics that I cased with verm. These are in my FC, but if they're not doing anything by the time I need the real estate, they're gone.

 

A couple of tester jars of PE (thanks Fahtster!) that were spawned to bulk on 1/24. (The tops are bare substrate still I think.)

 

Shoeboxes of ApeR (albino penis envy reverted) and GT also done on 1/24. The GT mycelium grows much faster than the ApeR.

 

 

Closeup of the GT from the side and top.

 

 

Closeup of the ApeR from the side and top.

 

The PE jars, GT shoebox, and ApeR shoeboxes were all done 5 days ago on 1/24.

 

I've got 5 quarts of ApeR spawn good to go now. I guess I can mix up a new batch of CVG sub in with the leftovers of what I used last week. I used 6+ quarts... anyone know how much a batch of CVG makes (1 650g block of coir, 2 quarts of verm) ?

 

I also have 5 quarts of PE spawn that should be ready in a couple of weeks. I'll probably give them a good shake in a couple of days and then just let them finish up.

[ElPirana]

Those are all looking good to me. For those jars of purple mystic, since you need the space in the FC, you could take those outa there and put a lid lightly on top and keep trying to fruit.

[jrh]

Yeah, I've been big into unmodified lids recently. Before I got into g2g I was making lids with filters and SHIP, but the unmodified lids just have a very clean look that I like.

[jrh]

ApeR spawned to unmodified tub. This was the only thing I had planned on doing today.

 

But then I noticed some B+ oat spawn was pinning,

 

so taking the advice of some fellow members I spawned it to bulk as well.

 

It turns out the same b+ genetics on agar had also fruited.

 

And since I had some ApeR spawn that was the same age, I went ahead and put it to bulk as well.

 

I think all I have to do for a while is observe and mist/fan my FC. I guess the unmodified tub is OK as long as it has good condensation on the sides? I may rig up a cool mist humidifier to turn on for a couple of minutes a few times an hour. The outlet is near the top of the unmodified tub, so might provide better humidity and air movement.

Edited by jrh, 31 January 2021 - 06:18 PM.

[Stencill86]

Damn! I want those b+ genetics, all they wanna do is fruit lol