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#1 Salty117

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Posted 20 January 2021 - 12:08 PM

Henlo friends,

 

I have decided to come here to post up my first experience using Psilocybin in combination with Harmaline extract (Freebase). DISCLAIMER- Harmaline should not be used in combination with SSRi's or if you struggle with Hypertension (High Blood Pressure)

 

I weighed out 130mg of the harmaline extract, dumped it into a cup, then squeezed half a lemon onto it and let it sit for a few minutes before adding a small amount of green tea. Pounded it down and started a timer for 25 minutes. When that timer went up I began preparing the psilocybin via lemon tek. Filtered the solids out after letting the 4g of powdered Ban Hua Thanon and tea steep for 7 minutes (if steeping the mushroom powder for longer is more effective as far as activating the psilocybin goes then I would appreciate it if someone pipped in to let me know) then pounded that down as well.

 

Harmaline lemon tea was consumed at 7:25pm, the mushroom tea went down at 8pm. By 8:20pm I was starting to get some of my first signs of "yes, I am infact on a psychedelic" which I would describe as being a little "spacey" or "zoney" and my mind in this early phase feels like it gets drained of most thoughts that I find clogging my day-to-day life. I'm severely ADD so this is always a welcoming sensation, but it is ever fleeting. I say that because it was not too long after this feeling that I began to feel the intensity of the experience come on like a whirlwind. The cavernous yawns didn't even show up until after things began to get strange.

 

The experience absolutely felt clearer, sharper, and for only having dosed on 4g cubensis, it definitely lasted longer than I would have anticipated and I came upon something that struck me as not only peculiar but awe-inducing as well.. to the individual that's never done psychedelics I feel like this would be a sentence that would get me thrown in a loony bin but considering I've heard it mentioned in a presentation done by Terence McKenna, it only excites me for my next experience with this.. "double lemon tek..?" and that is that I have stumbled upon the atrium of etherial and spiritual knowledge. I understood in that moment what Terence McKenna meant when he said "Too many people take pissant amounts of mushrooms and claim to be initiated and enlightened, when in fact they realize what 5 grams dried REALLY is, they realize they haven't been camping out in the atrium, but they've been camped out in the driveway the whole time..."

 

Another word I would use to describe the experience is being very lucid. If I wanted to put on the breaks then I could, and that is part of how I knew I didn't take enough to delve deeper into said "atrium of knowledge"... because I knew that I didn't take enough, I knew that if I pursued to delve deeper into the experience that I may have been left confused or dissatisfied as it would have started wearing away before I was able to meditate upon something more specific long enough to attain a greater understanding of it.

 

I have taken some large doses of cubes, (10g mazatapec.. 8.6g Blue Meanies (Cube).. 210 fresh weight of Golden Teachers..) but I believe somewhere between my physique and the SSRi I was previously taking (Haven't been taking it for months because I've found ways to bring balance to my mind without the need for medications.), my experiences were being hindered to the point that taking such a large dose just wasn't packing the punch that I was seeking. Combining it with an MAOi feels like it's unlocked a whole new playing field of clarity and understanding and I don't foresee myself dosing on mushrooms again without it... Next stop.. Nepal Chitwan, 6g...

 

If you took the time to read my report on my first experience with combining an MAOi with Psilocybin, thank you for your time.  :happy:


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Posted 20 January 2021 - 12:17 PM

I'd like to add that the 210g of fresh/wet golden teachers was in fact a wonderful experience that I didn't know that I needed at that point in my life that had lasting impacts on my mental health for months. I'm not trying to discredit that experience I had with them, but rather point out that one can make the product that have go much further when combined with an MAOi. To many, this might not be new news, but it is something to consider if you aren't on SSRi's, don't struggle with Hypertension, and want to overclock your psilocybin experience.


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Posted 20 January 2021 - 12:30 PM

Very nice write up Salty, glad it worked out so well for you, good luck with the Nepalese journey!
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Posted 20 January 2021 - 07:22 PM

To the Future! Without Fear!  :biggrin:


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Posted 20 January 2021 - 08:42 PM

Thank you for your report Salty-- I have yet to combine harmalas with mushrooms, but I've used them (extracted from caapi, extracted from Rue, and using plain ground baked seeds) as an oral additive ahead of vaped DMT countless times--

It has a similar effect-- extending and deepening-- with a dreamy, hypnotic, transcendental quality that's impossible to tune into with DMT alone.

 

Ayahuasca is what it is because of the harmalas in the vine, not the DMT in the leaf... I look forward to introducing them to my mushroom work in the coming year

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Posted 21 January 2021 - 08:32 AM

I hope it proves as fruitful for you as it has me coAsTal  :meditate:

 

I look forward to my first DMT and Peruvian Ayahuasca experiences but I have some hurdles to get through first. I want to make it myself but now is not the time and place for me to do so. My hopes are that I'll be in a positition to concoct by summer time but we shall see.


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Posted 30 January 2021 - 06:19 PM

Rue seeds and cubes were the combo that first presented me with the universal mechanized paisley motif.

Before that it was just fractals and cartoons now I can't avoid the little motorized buggers.

I keep reading about the lemon juice thing. Ima gonna give that a try as soon as possible. Thanks for sharing that experience here.
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Posted 31 January 2021 - 12:12 PM

You're very welcome GORF, I had a hard time finding much information on combining Harmaline with Psilocybin specifically so I posted up my experience here so folks that were headed down the same rabbit hole I found myself in have an idea of what they might be getting into.

 

The taste is far from pleasant but IME, the end justifies the means.



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Posted 31 January 2021 - 02:12 PM

For myself, and I am speaking only for myself alone, the addition of the MAOI with Psilocybe is too much like the experience I had at 3 years of age when I stuck my finger in the light socket of the lamp in my uncle’s upstairs bedroom.  I remember running down the stairs to let my parents and grandparents know that “it zipped me! Grandma!  It zipped me!”

 

For myself. The Spirit comes through clear and strong with the Psilocybe mushrooms alone.  Adding anything to them seems to alter the signal.  In fact, they have made it clear to me, again, speaking only from my own subjective experience, that it is best not to mix mushrooms (el Cuerpo de Cristo) with anything, with the notable exception of raw cacao (el Sangre de Cristo).


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Posted 31 January 2021 - 03:19 PM

For those interest, an account of my first experience combining an MAOI with Psilocybe cubensis:

Into the Dragon

I took my first psilocybin/harmine trip on Dec 31, 1984. I ate 5 grams of P. cubensis (the Brillo Nuevo strain obtained from Terence McKenna’s company, Lux Natura - very potent) and smoked about 2 grams P. harmala in a joint. This combination opened an initiatory trial that I experienced as being sacred. I can only capture into words a small portion of all that took place that night, but since others are experimenting with this powerful combination, I thought it was time to tell the story for general perusal and review.

The first signal that I had that something different was about to occur was when my old friend, Frank the Dog, approached my chair warily, looked at me, raised his hackles, and growled threateningly; he didn't recognize the presence in the chair. I sensed his fear and made eye contact with him, saying to him, "It's alright boy, its just me." The sound of my voice settled him a little and he laid down beside my chair, but I could still sense his wariness. He kept looking at me, confused. I decided that this was possibly going to get very weird and retired to the bedroom. Walking was not easy.

Upon entering the bedroom I was greeted with a vision of a large, luminescent sphere encircling my destination, the bed. I could see it quite clearly and was somewhat astonished. Each point of the sphere of light was connected with every other point by an almost invisible web of light, with the surface of the sphere standing out most vividly (my first encounter with an orb). I was rapidly losing my ability to navigate terrestrial reality and headed directly for the bed and lay down upon it.

The next vision that presented itself to me was the most astonishing eperience with the mushroom that I had had up to that point in time, and must admit that I was not at all prepared for the intensity and insistence of it. As I lay on my back and directed my gaze upward, I saw a large dragon’s head emerge from the ceiling above the bed. It was extraordinarily real and for a moment my fear blossomed into genuine terror. As the terror mounted and I felt myself pull back from the experience, the dragon spoke, in a deep basso profundo voice that reverberated through my bones, "Do not resist. Do not be afraid." The sound of that voice was unsettling, but also mysteriously soothing, and I felt myself let go. I was pulled straight into the dragon's open mouth, with my last thought being that this was it, that I had really done it this time, and death was indeed upon me.

The clarity of the visions must be commented upon. This type of vision is not of the order of the commonly reported swirls, patterns, visual anomolies and geometric designs that emerge at the onset of a trip. This type of vision is the breakthrough of another dimension of being that is well differentiated and highly articulated in refined detail. As my attention was drawn into the visions, I could see the scales on the dragon, perceive the penetrating intensity of its gaze upon me, notice the rings of growth patterns in its teeth, and see a kaleidoscopic swirl of galaxies and universes forming the wall of its throat. This is the revelation of one's life being incorporated into a story larger than one could ever imagine through the operation of the intellect alone. It is contact with a mythological dimension which utterly envelops one in its reality; there isn't a shred of doubt that it is closer to the heart of reality than this world of shadows which we call reality and is only an exceedlingly small portion of Eternity. It is the Imaginal realm that stands between the material and spiritual worlds.

As my consciousness entered the mouth of the Dragon, my ordinary ego awareness fell away and the essential awareness moved at high speed through an infinity of cosmoses until it settled upon one tiny corner of existence. That basso profundo voice was now a softer, more quiet voice, which narrated a vision of life on Earth unfolding before the disembodied mind that was gazing at its ancient home. There was a vision of small creatures falling upon the surface of the planet, similar in form to mythological dragons. Upon alighting on the surface of the earth, they took a few moments to rest (perhaps eons by our time scale). Soon, they clothed themselves in the material of this world and were quickly unrecognizable in their transformation. The voice spoke stating that Life on Earth arose from these beings who were actually fleeing something that was happening in another portion of the cosmos, and hoped to hide out here for awhile.

Awareness entered these emergent life forms and evolved over eons with them. Awareness underwent the totality of the process of the unfolding of life on Earth. This was an overwhelming experience in that while awareness was identified with a particular organism, such as a dinosaur, it totally forgot its existence outside of the context of the life of that particular organism, and was completely embedded within its world. Its concerns, fears, joys and sufferings were all experienced at first hand. This went on for what seemed like an eternity! Awareness had lost all consciousness of its former existence as a human being in the late 20th century for most of the trip. As it emerged into human form and flowed through the totality of human history, identifying itself with every human being that had ever existed on the surface of the planet, awareness of its connection with the expired mushroom eater eventually resurfaced. At this point, awareness was again freed from involvement with the organism on the planet and hovered suspended in deep space, gazing down at the planet. The voice once again narrated the vision:

"Life on Earth is a singular organism, which has been unfolding itself over the eons of its evolution. It is destined to construct a body for itself that can leave the surface of the planet. The purpose of this is to perpetuate itself and fulfill a function that at present, cannot be communicated to your awareness. From a limited point of view, it can be said to be on a mission of escape from processes that have begun in another portion of the cosmos, near the origin point, and which will soon sweep through this portion of the galaxy and annihilate life on earth as you know it. This change is the emergence of a form of being that has its root in what you would refer to as light energy, as contrasted with the condensed, solid forms that you currently understand as representative of living organisms. When this form of life emerges in a biological species, the physical organism is incorporated into the new structure. From the perspective of the physical organism, this process is frightening and could be viewed as a death. Hence, the organism that initially concealed itself as the organismic structure of life on this planet retains full awareness of its mission of escape and is pushing its evolving intelligence toward construction of the means of its escape. Nonetheless, a portion of itself will be incorporated into the new, emergent life energy, that portion that remains behind the escape pod, and which represents the greater portion of its being. This process has already occurred in other region of the cosmos, and ultimately is inescapable. For now, however, the life form that knows itself as the dragon, and which manifests as DNA, continues to push toward escaping its inevitable destiny. This is as it should be."

As this was narrated, awareness was shown the future of the planet, the escape of the biological pod, and the emergence of a body of light as the new mode of being in this portion of the cosmos.

Awareness was ushered back to its host organism and I awoke at dawn amazed that I had survived the night!

That kind of "epic tripping" I have found to be unique to ayahuasca and the psilocybin/harmine combination. I also find the psilocybin/harmine combination to be quite hard on the body and generally don't enter into such journeys lightly. The last time I experimented with this combination was almost a decade ago and I don't intend upon doing it anytime in the near future. Since that opening, however, the mushroom has remained an amazing guide to the mythopoetic dimension and the trips are always touched with that edge of the mysterious depth of the cosmos and our role within it.

I think this narrative depicts a certain type of initiatory experience that is not commonly revealed. I have read some accounts (in DeKorne's Psychedelic Shamanism), where the dragon attempted to present itself, but the fear or avoidance of the initiate, chased it away. From all the accounts I have heard and read, I have yet to find it presenting itself more than once.

I don't really know what to make of the rather weird story line the voice was rapping out, that Life on Earth was the result of a being in flight, seeking to escape some transformative wave that was sweeping through the cosmos. This motif is not uncommon. I see it as a twist on the Biblical story of the Fall. Perhaps it was picking out themes from my own conditioned brain in which to communicate something of itself; perhaps it is a glimpse into the workings of my own unconscious mind (which is the option I tend to go for currently as I gaze back at the state of my mind during those years). Whatever the explanation for such experiences, I will attest that as the years have gone by and I have continued the dialogue with the spirit of the mushroom, the mystery and depth of its visions has grown ever more subtle and profound.

Reviewing the above narrative 36 years later, I can now see it as an initiatory intuitive expression of the potential path of the growth of an inner body of light inside the physical organism. This represents the emergence of a greater life inside the chrysalis of the physical body and presages the entrance into what we could call, borrowing from the Persian Zoroastrian tradition, the Celestial Earth. That something of the sort is possible over the course of our limited lives has grown quite real to me now. It is an ancient mythos that we are tapping into, which is not limited to any particular tradition but found in various forms in them all, including the Tibetan Buddhist Dzogchen tradition. Although we seem to have lost touch with the inner discipline that opens this up in our own Christian tradition, it remains there for those who seek for it and are blessed to connect with the oral tradition. One account of this is available in the work of Robin Amis’ book, A Different Christianity: Early Christian Esotericism and Modern Thought

Edited by elfstone, 31 January 2021 - 03:28 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2021 - 05:42 PM

This is interesting to me, so you smoked the P. Harmala which is different from the method of ingestion I chose. I personally had a very mild body load and very little nausea but I certainly felt a stronger tug on my psyche than what I would normally find myself experiencing at a 4g dose of cubes.

 

 

I have more testing to do.



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Posted 31 January 2021 - 06:36 PM

I too was shown that all life is connected and forms one gigantic living being. I was allowed to glimpse the living tendrils of life force that connects everything to everything else. Every blade of grass and every insect was moving on stretchy strings of rainbow spaghetti. To reach out and put a finger towards a tree leaf was to invite numerous strings of life force to play across the tip of my finger like touching the surface of a plasma globe invites the flickers of electricity to try and meet your touch.

It was a glorious day for me and I treasure it even now decades later
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Posted 23 February 2021 - 08:17 AM

I too was shown that all life is connected and forms one gigantic living being. I was allowed to glimpse the living tendrils of life force that connects everything to everything else. Every blade of grass and every insect was moving on stretchy strings of rainbow spaghetti. To reach out and put a finger towards a tree leaf was to invite numerous strings of life force to play across the tip of my finger like touching the surface of a plasma globe invites the flickers of electricity to try and meet your touch.

It was a glorious day for me and I treasure it even now decades later

It's interesting when you discover you are a part of a 13.8 billion year old, 96 billion light year across organism... :cool:


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