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[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Yeah there have been a few reported instances of nuclear arms being essentially taken offline by UFO's.  There was a period where American and Russian governments were taking UFO's seriously and asked military personnel to report all findings. The famous project blue book in America's case. Then both countries said they quit collecting all that evidence, and now more recently America admitted to taking UAP's seriously again.

 

There is a ton of baloney with this UFO business but there are some stories that seem to be more than coincidence

 

These guys do the hard work and lend credibility to the field of study, nice to have them sort out the nonsense for us. This interview helped open my mind to the idea that something is going on up there.

 

 

If anything this is a compelling tale about the nature of memory

 

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https://open.spotify...yRnZxBNaQJeH2Ce

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 30 May 2021 - 10:08 AM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I did not want to respond to this in the lab thread as I felt it would pull the discussion too far off course. So here we go

 

 

The next distraction?

Hey look, UFOs! Everybody look at the aliens while we do more things behind your backs.

Its gonna be a great decade. Hope I've got enough popcorn for the show.

Can't stop it so I might as well get a good seat and watch it all explode in slow motion.

You guys can sure beat a conspiracy theory to death. :)

 

How did I get here, to find myself defending UFO's....Rooster of two years ago would have rolled his eyes and totally agreed with you. What a wild ride this life is man.

 

I get the distraction line but wondering if we are alone in the universe is hardly something to scoff at. It might be one of the most sought out answers in the course of modern history, next to where did we come from and why are we here. Not to mention the slow and increasingly convincing body of evidence that has been forming. The data that came out over the last few years has flipped the opinion of some of the most skeptical of folk like myself. That matters not to the skeptical, their minds are often made up before any evidence is presented. Most commonly you find they come from a place of ignorance. I know because I have been there

 

If this is it, if we die and there is nothing after. You never get to find out the answers to any of the big questions. You have to ask yourself,  what world would have been more enjoyable to live in. The one where I allowed some belief into my life or the one without.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 02 June 2021 - 05:11 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

701 unexplained cases out of 12,000 investigated by project blue book. Seems to sum up the UFO field.

 

Sorry this one looked like a nightmare to try to format it  and it would turn readers off.

 

 

Anyway a brief history of UFO's and government investigation into such. Trying to follow the serious investigators in this is key. Following in the original scientific method applied by the lead scientist in project blue book, some people are helping to pull the discussion out of the basement

 

How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously

For decades, flying saucers were a punch line. Then the U.S. government got over the taboo.

 

https://www.newyorke...-ufos-seriously

[shiftingshadows]

Has anyone considered the possibility, that given the age of the universe, and the distances involved, that they are robotic explorers, (a bit like our mars rover), from superior civilizations, that are by now long extinct themselves?

 

Such an explanation would both respect Einstein, satisfy our need for mystery, and take some of the excitement and emotion out of the whole business, as the clear implication is that being superior, implies no escape from death and extinction.

 

Therefore such an explanation amuses "the Buddhist in me". 

[TVCasualty]

I'm sick and tired of all this extraterrestrial coyness.

 

I'm ready for the goddamned aliens to flip on the lights on and yell "Surprise!" or whatever and get First Contact over with so we can move on to putting some of that super-dooper advanced gee-whiz alien tech they apparently got to work cleaning up the mess we're still making of this planet.

 

But then the story Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke comes to mind and concede that there may be a point to it after all.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I have thought about drones plenty before as they make the most sense based on our knowledge of space travel. Until recently I never really understood how an expanding universe could place another ancient civilization literally out of our perceptible reach. The idea you proposed that they are gone off into the forever but the drones continue on without them is an interesting idea to think about

 

I like to imagine if an advanced alien race was observing us, for whatever reasons. (Maybe we are on the intergalactic nature channel) That they would take a somewhat similar scientific approach that we have taken towards those "lost" tribes in the amazon. A quarantine like approach, limiting our interactions. Maybe life is really precious in the universe and they don't want to have a hand in extinguishing it. Has advanced mans involvement into less technologically advanced civilizations made life better for all those other cultures in the grand scheme of things?  It sure has made life easier, but perhaps that is not something we should necessarily strive for. This is another trap of my logic though, projecting a human like thought process onto another intelligent entity. For all we know they could be plant based beings incapable of communicating with us.

 

So many wild avenues to speculate down

 

Fun to talk about it but I have to be careful with this subject. It can become a little too easy to let those mind parasites in and you channel what you want to be true rather than what is. One must temper belief in a pursuit of the good stuff. Let the guys claiming to have done 50 alien autopsies and work on alien teck in secret underground bases remain on the back burner

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 04 June 2021 - 02:30 PM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Sounds like the report leaked early. Guess what it was inconclusive hahahaha. Who would have guessed

 

Not really surprising but they basically said what we already know at this point from Luis Elizondo's work. A bit silly when you have a team that investigated this phenomenon for ten years, and could not provide clear answers. This 90 day report that was undertaken is a bit of an insult to what they did. The only thing they are willing to say for sure is that they aren't American made. It does lead one to be a bit skeptical considering what happened with stealth technology, and the governments ability to create future teck in complete secrecy. That was thirty years ago, hard to imagine what they could have cooked up in the meantime

 

So who knows, if they are made by a goverment somewhere it is still impressive tech none the less.

 

Anyone else ever notice how the governments always seem to release anything controversial on a Friday. Hoping everyone is too busy looking forward to their weekend activities to take notice.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Sounds like NASA has caught the current UFO zietgest. Good, the more investigation into this the better I say. Instead of the ninety day probe, the Pentagon should be continuing on with AATIPS work. Too bad Henry Reid is no longer in a position to make it happen. Of all the crazy things governments spend money on. A few million to investigate these UFO's does not seem like much to ask for.

That list of wasteful spending is to long to post. Some examples like 3 million spent to study the effects the Jaws song had on our fear and perception of sharks. Or say 2.4 million spent to study how to get likes on social media. Very important stuff here

Considering the extreme forces those objects would be going through, it is hard to imagine anything is alive inside . But that is based on our fundamental understanding of gravity. If something can manipulate gravity all bets are off on what we "know"

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Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 06 June 2021 - 04:13 PM.

[riseabovethought]

Apollo 18.  I never heard of it.  There are reasons why we never returned to the moon after this, and our last trip was one of those reasons.  3 men went, 2 walked on the moon while the 3rd (the pilot) orbited until the others were done playing and gathering moon rocks, and then the 3 astronauts flew home (sorta).  It all went wrong when they were entering the Earths atmosphere, received the computer's coordinates but the pilot rejected them, and the pilot put in his own coordinates.  They missed the Pacific ocean where they were supposed to land.  Instead they landed in a desert in China and all 3 survived the landing somehow, but only 1 was left when the searchers found them, only the pilot was still alive.  The 2 who walked on the moon were dead from a poisonous thorn that killed them both quicker than rescuers could find them.  It even made some suspect China was involved somehow and maybe it was an case of Chinese espionage, but no one could ever prove anything.  Its a strange story.

 

https://tubitv.com/m...523/the-landing   

[Juthro]

Apollo 18.  I never heard of it.  There are reasons why we never returned to the moon after this, and our last trip was one of those reasons.  3 men went, 2 walked on the moon while the 3rd (the pilot) orbited until the others were done playing and gathering moon rocks, and then the 3 astronauts flew home (sorta).  It all went wrong when they were entering the Earths atmosphere, received the computer's coordinates but the pilot rejected them, and the pilot put in his own coordinates.  They missed the Pacific ocean where they were supposed to land.  Instead they landed in a desert in China and all 3 survived the landing somehow, but only 1 was left when the searchers found them, only the pilot was still alive.  The 2 who walked on the moon were dead from a poisonous thorn that killed them both quicker than rescuers could find them.  It even made some suspect China was involved somehow and maybe it was an case of Chinese espionage, but no one could ever prove anything.  Its a strange story.

 

https://tubitv.com/m...523/the-landing   

 

 

I'm confused.  Are you saying that you think that there was an Apollo 18 mission to the moon, or are you just sharing the the sci-fi faux documentary 'The Landing'?

 

The reason I ask is Apollo 17 was the US's last maned mission to the moon, and it landed safely in the south pacific.  There was no Apollo 18 mission ever flown to the moon.  

[riseabovethought]

Oh.  Im retarded then.  My bad.  Thanks for the help.

[Juthro]

Lets start with, I'm not calling you retarded, brother.   IIRC there was an Apollo 18, 19, and 20 that were all planned missions, and they got scrubbed due to budgetary issues. 

 

There is some realm of conspiracy theory around Apollo 18, mostly due to some movies.  I'm guessing that this is what you were talking about, but lets think about what are the chances of sending a mission into space without the entire world being able to see it?   

 

Does anyone really believe we had the ability in the late 60's and early 70's to launch astronauts to the moon in 100% stealth?  If it flew you would be able to confirm it with astronomers around the world.  And who were the astronauts, what were their names?   The pool of acceptable candidates wasn't huge, and these people would have a considerable paper trail tying them to the program.   Remember the premise of the movie is that it was a regular mission that went bad, there would be no reason to keep everything secret before the launch of the mission, there would have been a media circus for the launch. 

 

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

[riseabovethought]

Got it.  I appreciate it man.  I guess they got me.  Fuckers.  Thanks for straightening me out. 

 

I guess I shouldnt be getting my outer space research knowledge from alien docs on tubi.

https://tubitv.com/s...arch/alien doc 

Edited by riseabovethought, 28 September 2022 - 11:16 AM.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Considering the well documented  government involvement of engaging in counter intelligence to muddy the waters, coupled up with fame seekers, or whatever personal motivations one might have in being the "one who knows" can make the journey difficult to traverse.  A healthy skepticism is good, trying to balance that with at least a temporary suspension of established beliefs seems to be the tricky part. You want to avoid blocking off your mind with too much skepticism, but also don't want to allow to much to pass through the filter lest you risk infecting your mental defenses with a flood of misleading information. It seems to be one of the ultimate frontier subjects and during engagement one is bound to chomp on a few false leads here and there. I always wonder about this stuff. Could this man be engaging in counter intelligence, possibly. Could he be posing as a retired boss to a secret program we had no idea existed. Meanwhile spoon feeding us counter intelligence to draw attention away from military weapons programs? In this case it doesn't seem like it to me but who the hell knows. Some of the phenomenon could be explained by new drone technology but some cannot. Like trans medium vehicles, or extreme changes in velocity and direction all without any traces of known propulsion like heat signatures ect. Those leaps in technology are so great that its hard to imagine anyone possessing such technology and restricting its use to military drones.

 

He was asked about videos that have not been declassified yet and his answers start to get the mind wandering down the path of belief.

 

 

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This could be a decent show going to check it out today

 

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Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 06 October 2022 - 02:15 PM.

[shiftingshadows]

I'll go with Einstein, the speed of light limitation, & stellar distances, over anything in the media.

 

2ndly were anything smart enough to get here, I think they [or it] would be smart enough to avoid a planet where the 'main primates' have been killing each other in wars, for as long as recorded history has existed, and have now stepped up their game to see if they can kill all life on the planet.

 

Much will never be explained, in the universe and life. Whatever UFOs and cattle mutilations and 'abductions' may be, I doubt there are any intelligent aliens, visiting this hell hole.

 

In the event we [or some], somehow survive global 'warming'; I expect within a century we will create our own aliens with genetic modifications thru CRISPR [or something similar]. So there may well be some sort of payback yet?

Edited by shiftingshadows, 06 October 2022 - 09:53 PM.