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#1 tregar

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Posted 20 February 2021 - 07:55 PM

Speaking of Ayahuasca, I don't know about you gals & guys, but I've found Caapi to be VERY visionary at high doses, I'm talking about Caapi composed of say 200mg harmine, 250 to 300mg tetrahydroharmine, and 0 to 10mg of harmaline. I've seen the most incredible visions with eyes closed for hours on just Caapi alone. I think 300mg THH in Caapi is just as visual as 100mg harmaline (as reported in TIHKAL), but without the nausea and dizziness, but it's not especially visual until say 250 to 300mg, then it gives one 1.5 to 2 hours of incredible closed eye realistic visions. 250mg to 300mg THH gives one the exact same visions as 100mg harmaline gives one. It's like entering a university, it teaches you for hours with sequential visions one after another. It tells you a story for a long period. I've never gone beyone 300mg THH, as dizziness sets in at 300mg for sure. No dizziness usually at 250mg.  
 
My last time drinking Caapi, I saw the interior decorations of palaces, the checkered floors, the beautiful windows and furniture, the winding stair cases, I was blown away, I've seen sacred temples for religious worship, beautiful animals and super fine women, birds of all kinds, Caapi tells a story when you drink it with eyes closed, it teaches you things, the most beautiful "realistic visions" that no other entheogen comes close to showing you, these realistic visions go on forever with Caapi, I can recline and watch for 2 hours the visions--I've found that taking 1/2 to 1 benadryl brings the visions out even more--it seems to make one sort of sleepy in combination with the Caapi--sort of the way harmaline does--this increases the visions ten-fold on lower doses of Caapi, although the benadryl is not necessary on larger doses unless you want to add it in. I would not combine it with harmaline or Caapi that has large amounts of harmaline.  
 
I don't even want or need admixture leaf anymore, that's how much I enjoy high dose Caapi visions--they may not be in color due to no admixture, but that does not bother me--they are fully formed fantastic visions in monochrome blue color usually on a black background. The peak of it is at 5 hours post taking Caapi, then it slowly subsides over the next 5 hours from there. Very strong around 1 hour after Caapi drank until the 5th hour.
 
The visions with closed eyes are totally unlike sleeping dream visions, I've done this once a month now for 3 months, and each time, I've been completely blown away. I've waited all my life to see visions like this, I didn't think it was possible to see such beauty for such a long period of time, up to 2 hours each time, long dream-like sequences, and with open eyes beauty is breath-taking, very colorful like when I was a child, everything is super-colorful and beautiful, like the best part of all the entheogens. Insights are powerful. Anyhow, just thought I would share, nothing to be afraid of, no nausea, zero to hardly any dizziness whatsoever, just pure beauty.

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Posted 20 February 2021 - 08:22 PM

Have you also tried with admixture? I would love to hear sone of those experiences as well.

It doesnt really fit the topic so if you want i could message you?
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Posted 21 February 2021 - 08:35 AM

Thanks for response DarkNchildlike. Yes, I've dreamed Caapi in combination with Hawaiian psychotria (20 to 35g) over 65 times over a period of many years. However, during those times, the dosage of Caapi was (usually always) kept lower in combination with the leaf. It is a shame that Hawaiian psychotria can no longer be found, I went thru at least 2kg over those several years. Now, it is nowhere to be found...great powerful admixture, 100% safe with no physical sides. 
 
Words cannot describe the power and visuals of the experience (Caapi + psychotria), for example, with open eyes, tracers that went on forever into the distance, like a hall of mirrors that never ended, wild colorful honeycomb geometrics that filled all the walls, like being in a bee hive. The love, beauty and euphoria with open eyes was divine and infinite, with closed eyes, on normal doses of Caapi, the visuals were of course colorful and geometrics that danced and morphed into other geometries constantly, music sounded like it was alien and from another world, infintely beautiful....saw alot of the leaf at work with the visions.  
 
....however, and this is the big point, it was not until I experimented with higher doses of Caapi like those mentioned above in first post that I began to be truly awstruck. Then I began to have visions like those mentioned in the book "Antipodes of the Mind" by Benny Shanon. Now I began to see actual "Caapi visions" that were lit up and colorized by the leaf, visions like those painted by Pablo Amaringo, Ayahuasca Shaman...but I had to keep the leaf dose small (20 to 30g) so I would not throw up from the combination of all the force (caapi) + light (leaf). 
 
In one high dose Caapi session with just a small amount of Hawaiian psychotria (25g), I saw three beautiful naked woman dancers twirling in front of stone pillars that rotated slowly. Jungle scenes lit up by the moonlight, full of snakes and palm trees by the beach and lots of people I had known in my life in floating bubbles that were to the left and right of the scene, drifting up into the sky. Elephants from India embellished with vibrantly colored jhools (saddle cloth) and heavy jewellery and sparkling anklets. Detached female faces of breath-taking beauty with freckles. Waterfalls in the middle of the jungle. 
 
I saw barely dressed women wearing futuristic clothing and bikinis of some sort, dazzling in it's design. A spinning vortex made of blue color with closed eyes that opened up in front of me that looked like a wormhole of some sort, I travelled inside of it, and was dropped off on an island in the pacific with wooden Tikis all around the perimeter of a small culture. I saw a chalkboard full of mathematical equations and scientific discoveries drawn out. I flew like a bird for nearly a minute over what looked like Los Angeles, as I could see the homes with swimming pools and parks below me. This was all seen in the same session. 
 
From that moment on, I knew that higher dose Caapi (with or without added admixture leaf) was where the real visionary and transdimensional realm was to be found, with powerful insights. Insane infinite beauty. I could go on and on about the visions, and sometimes I wished I had a tape recorder next to me so I could talk and speak into it, to record the 1.5 hour of Caapi only visions. I bought a tape recorder recently and learned how to use it, so I will do that next time. Pyramids adorned with gold sheen, architecture of the past and future, Egyptian scenery, vast landscapes, medieval scenery, it goes on and on. Everything is brand new as if newly created.


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Posted 21 February 2021 - 12:22 PM

P.S. Honestly, no sides here when kept in the realm mentioned on post #1. Sleep is great the same night, although I will not dream the same night, and sometimes wake up an hour or two earlier than normal.

 

With open eyes, everything is brighter and extremely colorful, beauty enhancement is over the top...neon-diamondlike is my best description, like looking down thru several meters of clear blue ocean water on a bright sunny day.

 

"With closed eyes" is covered in first post, although I forgot to mention that all of the closed eye visions begin with colored sparkles and geometric dots and ziggly lines in orange, green, and blue that dart around and then progress to the monochrome visions for 1.5 to 2 hours, and yes, this is with Caapi alone, no admixture. These visions are WAY beyond 4k, and highly detailed.



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Posted 21 February 2021 - 02:50 PM

Ive actually read of the same exact phenomenon written by Ron69 at the nexus. He wrote alot of the teks that are used there and said that ge was blown away by what just caapi could do alone and also said it was monochrome and from then on was convinced that the vine was the real medicine and the dmt only gave thr color.

May i msg you some more detailed questions?
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Posted 21 February 2021 - 04:29 PM

Yes, feel free to message me. Funny you should mention that DarkNchildlike, here are the writings of 69ron and Sacahambi you refer to:

 

69ron:

Ayahuasca is Banisteriopsis caapi. It contains mostly harmine, thh & only tiny amounts of harmaline. B. caapi itself contains no DMT and can be used as is to produce visionary states that are like mental day dreams which lack true visual content. Often admixtures are used to increase the visual content of the ayahuasca dreams. Most admixture plants contain DMT.

Harmine, tetrahydroharmine & tiny bit of harmaline used alone, can produce a mild dreamy psychedelic experience in which daydreams or lucid dreams can be experienced if the user chooses to do so. These dreams from harmine alone are vague and lack visual content, but usually have story lines and can be quite complex just like a real dream. Harmine allows one to go in and out of dream consciousness at will. It takes some practice to learn how to enter a lucid dream with harmine alone. Harmine won’t make you enter a lucid dream. You have to do it yourself by allowing your mind to drift off into a lucid dream.

DMT used alone, produces an intense visual experience, often very chaotic and fast moving, and quite amazing to watch. The visions of DMT alone usually lack meaningful content. The DMT visions are often just constantly morphine colors and shapes. Most of it makes absolutely no sense. Rarely will the visuals present to you a full blown dream with people, places, a story line, etc. But this does sometimes happen. But usually you just get a bunch of bazaar visions that are difficult to understand.

When combined, as in ayahuasca, the harmine, tetrahydroharmine & tiny amount of harmaline brings a dreamy quality to the DMT experience that makes it more like one is experiencing an actual dream, not just a bunch of fancy colors. With the two together, you have the visuals of DMT, plus the dream content of harmine. Harmine is the boss here in this combination if used in ayahuasca proportions where harmine is not just used as an MAOI but is used specifically to allow dream consciousness to be entered by the user. DMT is just an additive used to increase the visual portion of the harmala induced dreams.

Using harmine, thh & tiny amount of harmaline in very low doses, just as an MAOI, is not the same as using properly made ayahuasca. If harmine is used in low doses just for it’s MAOI effects, the trip lacks dream content and is just a bunch of bazaar DMT visual effects. This is not ayahuasca-like, it’s just orally activated DMT. That’s not the same. Its true that some ayahuasca is prepared this way, but such ayahuasca is considered inferior by most natives. With ayahuasca, the DMT is just an additive, not the main course. This is why ayahausca made with only caapi is still called ayahuasca and considered nearly as powerful as ayahuasca made with additive plants containing DMT.

This is something a lot of people don’t get. Ayahuasca is not simple orally activated DMT. It is the dream consciousness effects of harmine that are at play in ayahuasca. In order to experience lucid dreams from harmine without DMT, you need to practice a lot. But once you know how to do it, you don’t need DMT added to it anymore, unless you want the extra visual depth that DMT adds to the dreams.

So, “Dmt Or Ayahuasca?”, well that question is a personal question. Some people prefer DMT-less ayahuasca. Some people prefer just orally activated DMT. Some people prefer ayahuasca with a side order of DMT. Some people prefer the truly bazaar effects of smoked DMT alone.

My personal opinion is that DMT alone is FUN and can be quite frightening. It’s like a roller coaster ride and I like roller coasters. But don’t expect a deep meaningful life changing experience from it. Its pure visual FUN and nothing more. If I want a more meaningful experience I’d use an oral ayahuasca extract, or a smoked Yopo extract (not as effective as ayahuasca because Yopo is low on harmala-like alkaloids).

Authentic ayahuasca, high in harmine & tetrahydroharmine and a tiny bit of harmaline, and low on DMT, is like entering a full blown 3D dream with dream characters, storylines, etc. This can be a life changing experience. It’s more like sitting in a theater for several hours absorbing a story that’s meaningful because its about you. You leave with memories of places, things, people, etc., and possibly a new view on life.

 

From Gayle Highpine, "Unraveling the Mystery of the Origin of Ayahuasca":

In the western world, Ayahuasca acquired a new definition: It was now, by definition, the combination of Banisteriopsis caapi and a DMT-containing plant. Ayahuasca became, by definition, “orally active DMT.” The first anthropologist to adopt the new definition seems to have been Luis Eduardo Luna in 1984. Luna spent time with Terence McKenna, absorbing his perspective, before beginning his fieldwork. Since then, anthropologists have increasingly adopted this definition and filtered their observations through it. The preeminence of the Ayahuasca vine in the indigenous Amazonian world became the elephant in the living room of Ayahuasca studies, with a tacit agreement to pretend it doesn’t exist.

The leaves were Ayahuasca’s “helpers,” I was told, and their purpose was to “brighten and clarify” the visions. The vine is like a cave, and the leaf is like a torch you use to see what is inside the cave. The vine is like a book, and the leaf is like the candle you use to read the book. The vine is like a snowy television set, and the leaf helps to tune in the picture. There was a subtle attitude that the need for strong leaf was the sign of a beginner: An experienced ayahuasquero could see the visions even in low light

Ayahuasca vine is not visionary in the same way as DMT. The leaf helps illuminate the content, but the teachings are credited to the vine. Vine visions are “frequently associated with writing, to a code that is present in visions…or in the ‘books’ where the spirits keep the secrets of the forest.” The vine is The Teacher, The Healer, The Guide. The purpose of drinking Ayahuasca is to receive the message the vine imparts. This is why it is the vine, not the leaf, that is classified by the type of vision it gives. “For them the vine is, in truth, a living guide, a friend, a paternal authority”.

Listening to the Vine

While I was living in the village, someone began the process of shamanic apprenticeship. There was a series of ceremonies with brews of special strength for that purpose; brews with enormous quantities of vine. About two to three pounds of fresh vine per person was used (about 25 to 35 times the amount needed for MAOI inhibition). Those were powerful experiences indeed.

He would learn to navigate the strongest of brews with clear focus, and be undistracted by any amount of DMT fireworks.


Edited by tregar, 21 February 2021 - 04:55 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2021 - 05:49 PM

Haha yep thats it!

So right now ive got some dmt freebase and ive got 100gm of shredded b caapi. I also have some ground rue but i wanna extract the rue first. Whata the best way to do that do you know?

And if I were to try to ingest freebase and shredded caapi tea how should i go about it?

Sorry this is off topic i probably should have messaged you!

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:25 AM

shredded caapi no telling where it is at.


Edited by tregar, 22 February 2021 - 04:22 PM.





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