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#1 FLASHINGROOSTER

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Posted 03 March 2021 - 04:14 PM

Since there seems to be no shortage of people running around spreading nonsense these days I wondered if a thread dedicated to making fun of said idiocy would provide any value. The one concern I have is that I wonder how much of all this flat earth type stuff is legitimate. How many are just people using it as a mechanics to get attention rather than anything they actually believe

 

That being said I present the latest and greatest of the idiots, the fake snow conspiracy in Texas

 

https://www.independ...k-b1805616.html

 

Check out these wizards of science showing off their skills

 

 


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Posted 03 March 2021 - 06:24 PM

This should be posted where ever that came from........

 

Start HERE: https://funlearningf...nce-experiment/

 

But Rooster I have to thank you.....I erased what I originally typed and decided this was a good time for Arathu to practice exercising COMPASSION and UNDERSTANDING......

 

It is frightening that many people will act upon such revelations, own high powered firearms, and VOTE...........not to mention drive in public.....

 

Holy shit! I'm actually embarrassed for them......odds are pretty damned good what they have there is just plain old genuine SNOW...

 

Perhaps we can start an exchange student program so those folks from tropical climates, that want to, can come help me shovel this fake crap the feds keep dumping in my driveway....

 

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Posted 04 March 2021 - 10:31 AM

with all the compassion and understanding in the whole world......

 

We live in times when most of the people in the first world have the luxury of being stupid or insane - and are still able to survive and thrive to the point of being able to spread their own particular lunacy across the whole planet. A neat trick, eh?

 

And that's just the lumpenproles who are the sad victims of the real villians. And by those I'll point my finger directly at those who would politicize "the science" and then weaponize it against the proles.

 

I'm hoping there's an extremely especially poignantly warm place in the afterlife for them.

 

OK, carry on.


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Posted 04 March 2021 - 10:37 AM

I like the idea of sending such morons links to remedial science videos intended for very young children, lol.
 
"Little Timmy gets it. Timmy made snow melt all by himself, with science! Now it's your turn, Governor! You can do it!!" :thumbs_up:
 

I suspect most of these batshit crazy ideas are coming from troll farms continuing to try to sow bad-chaos. The rest are probably genuinely-heartfelt and locally-sourced batshit crazy ideas.
 
If you want to see what I consider to be the reigning champ of high weirdness, check out "Mudfossil University" on youtube.

It is a rabbit hole like no other. Or rather, it's a rabbit hole full of rabbit holes. There's countless hours of delusional weirdness to be mined there.

 

He gives rocks DNA tests to prove they're fossilized giants, and "giants" is an understatement. I actually know one person who believes it (he also happens to be a T***p supporter and thinks ANTIFA invaded the Capitol, so there seems to be a common thread running through this kind of credulity). When it finally dawns on you what the mudfossil guy is actually claiming it will blow your mind on multiple levels, all of them ironic.

 

The higher you are when you check out that channel, the better. I especially liked the video where he talks about his sister, who is a working scientist, and says how deluded she is because "she thinks I'm crazy." It's a textbook case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect combined with extreme pareidolia (the tendency to interpret a stimulus as an object, e.g. seeing a face or animals in clouds, ...or dragon fossils in mountain ranges, lol).

 

Come to think of it, I bet that a whole lot of batshit craziness in the world (if not the majority) is a direct result of that particular combination of those two flavors of cognitive dissonance.

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 04 March 2021 - 10:59 AM

Since there seems to be no shortage of people running around spreading nonsense these days I wondered if a thread dedicated to making fun of said idiocy would provide any value. The one concern I have is that I wonder how much of all this flat earth type stuff is legitimate. How many are just people using it as a mechanics to get attention rather than anything they actually believe

 

That being said I present the latest and greatest of the idiots, the fake snow conspiracy in Texas

 

https://www.independ...k-b1805616.html

 

Check out these wizards of science showing off their skills

 

 

I can't speak for the motivations or beliefs of others, Flat Earthers especially... I can however speak to the earth not being flat... You can certainly see the curve of the earth while lounging on the deck up on my hill!!



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Posted 04 March 2021 - 07:59 PM

That link cracked me up Arathu.

 

I think you make a good point that they are probably folk that have never experienced snow before so their ignorance can be forgiven.

 

Scary that it may highlight how easily that 20% is coerced into believing just about anything they are told.

 

I like to use humor to motivate people into looking inside but I must admit there is a dark side of me that enjoys poking fun so it is not that altruistic . I think the best way to talk to people is to engage their idea's and do your best to not condescend and explain why you think the idea's are not well constructed. It takes patience and it is a skill that takes a certain amount of finesse, it's too easy to fall victim to our own hubris and enjoy basking in being right.

 

Convincing someone them their idea's may be a little off without insulting them is key to success, it is best to come at it with respect and talk to them like adults.... It sure isn't as fun though

 

That being said sometimes people just need to be told aggressively for the message to take hold, not a route I am a big fan of. The carrot or the shame stick, probably the carrot I guess. That holds true until one runs out of patience, this human condition is a fickle thing

 

 

Let's see, where was that rabbit hole TeeVee was talking about


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Posted 04 March 2021 - 08:46 PM

Well........... I'm being sincere......when I need to learn a new language, programming, speaking, mathematics, biology, and etc. etc.. I start out as a child starts and go from there.....and it works.....

 

I'm not the one that made a public display of ass-foolery and there ain't no point in denying it.....too late....

 

I'm starting to get old and grumpy......so I don't want to drag things out any more....if it's apparent you're going to stay bat shit crazy I'm getting far away from you......

 

And go play my madman's drums around the fire up in the mountains....and pray that you figure out it's just snow......so to speak.....

 

Texas doesn't get it's arse kicked by winter storms too often does it???? I'm going with leniency on inexperience and ignorance.....and offer real (as best as we can tell in consensus) explanations.....

 

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Posted 04 March 2021 - 09:35 PM

Since there seems to be no shortage of people running around spreading nonsense these days I wondered if a thread dedicated to making fun of said idiocy would provide any value. The one concern I have is that I wonder how much of all this flat earth type stuff is legitimate. How many are just people using it as a mechanics to get attention rather than anything they actually believe

 

That being said I present the latest and greatest of the idiots, the fake snow conspiracy in Texas

 

https://www.independ...k-b1805616.html

 

Check out these wizards of science showing off their skills

Which part are we talking about? The idiot using a lighter to melt a snow ball or that fake snow is a conspiracy. Is it only a conspiracy if the government hide its? Cloud seeding seem to get mixed in with chem trail conspiracies but when you have a general population that doesn't understand science then its real easy for them to fill in the blanks a conspiracies. In my backyard education and telling the general population what's going on so that they are truly informed of the fake snow not to mistake intention of making water available for agriculture, Hydropower and everything else you may want water for, as a conspiracy. I suppose it would be easy for someone in Texas to be upset of the mismanagement or lack of preparedness for such unexpected weather. But up here in the North West we are less prepared to deal with no snow at all than too much. I would hate to see someone poking fun at the idea that weather manipulation is a conspiracy  when its quite common to some of us. I was amused by how little the lady knew about Fake snow and I did have a laugh.

 

Some of my neighbors support local Cloud Seeding every time the pay their power bill. Follow this rabbit hole?https://www.idahopow.../cloud-seeding/

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Posted 05 March 2021 - 06:36 PM

The existence of cloud seeding is probably the only reason why the idea of "chemtrails" managed to stick in paranoid alt-reality circles. Technically-speaking they do exist since cloud seeding planes dispense a "trail" of a "chemical" but not in the ridiculous way (or for the same purpose) that uncorroborated youtube videos try to claim, which is utterly absurd.


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Posted 06 March 2021 - 11:32 AM

Those tiktok "experiments" are ridiculous. The idea that it is some sort of synthetic snow or something, and the proof is that it "burns" and does not melt. The worst science experiments ever. After checking out a few more videos today I see it is not a new conspiracy. Fake snow melters have been out there on youtube for a while packing snow into a ball and blackening it with lighter soot in an attempt to prove their claims

 

I would not consider cloud seeded snow to be fake though right?  Seems to be many ways they have tried to jump start the process up in the sky. No expert on it but in some cases they are literally throwing salt up out there to kick start the freezing process of a liquid that is below zero but not yet crystallized. The idea that it can be weaponized seems to be controversial though

 

This video is the best representation of the near freezing effect that my stoner brain can picture.

 

[Direct Link]

 

No idea they did that much cloud seeding in reality though, interesting. China seems to be number one, even blasting rockets into clouds



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Posted 06 March 2021 - 12:46 PM

okay so I think I just graduated from mud fossil university after watching a couple videos. Wow you were not kidding about a rabbit hole. The famous devils tower in Wyoming is a giants foot apparently.


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Posted 08 March 2021 - 02:13 PM

From some of the sizes of the "fossils" he points out, it would apparently be the case that if they stood up their heads would be in the stratosphere, or higher. :rolleyes:

 

Social media seems to be making some forms of mental illness extremely contagious.

 

Delusional thinking literally "goes viral" now and so propagates through society at a scale and speed that it's never come close to before in human history.

 

Nietzsche was definitely on to something with his intuitive concern:

 

zthe future

 

Even the framing of his concern reveals a lot about just how massive of a paradigm shift all this shit really is; a "thousand-year" conclusion? I can't even remember when people had attention spans capable of thinking in those terms. Look where we're at only 121 years after Nietzsche died, much less a thousand. Granted, we're ~600 years out from the original printing press but that arguably took a few centuries to really catch on and be as disruptive of the status quo as the Internet or the Industrial Revolution.

 

It's probably also profoundly underappreciated how much our consciousness changed just by being able to travel over land faster than a horse could run.

 

From accounts I've read of the early days of train travel and autos, many people shit their proverbial pants when first hitting the dizzying speed of ~30 MPH. I've hammered down hills on my mountain bike going faster than that (one time it started to wobble a little when I hit 53 MPH on slicks going down a steep paved road; I have to admit that the pucker-factor was getting pretty high on that ride).

 

Now we eat double cheesburgers with one hand while chatting on the phone with the other (steering with our knees) and listening to music as we barely pay attention to where we're headed as we head there at 80+ MPH. Yawn; fuckin' traffic...

But some of the 121-year conclusions of our collective techno-insanity are pretty awesome so far. For example, this kind of thing exists now:

 

[Direct Link]

 

It's a very impressive channel that stands in stark contrast to places like Mudfossil U, lol.

 

 

 


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Posted 09 March 2021 - 04:42 PM

 

Social media seems to be making some forms of mental illness extremely contagious.

 

Delusional thinking literally "goes viral" now and so propagates through society at a scale and speed that it's never come close to before in human history.

I often wonder about the nature of propaganda and or misinformation over the course of human history, how different is it now than it was back then? What was a greater method of control? Keeping people in the dark, or bombarding them with so much information they can't tell what is real anymore. One thinks of the era of superstition when priest's and shaman controlled the grand narrative of what IS. Likely that most people fell in line with whatever the proclaimed truth was. Was there so much control that there was only ever one idea for anyone to worry about? Anyone else trying to tell you any different was labeled a heretic and had "justice" enacted upon them in a tidy fashion so as not to let these dangerous idea's infect the rest of the population

 

The sweet spot for spreading misinformation is probably somewhere in between people knowing nothing and having some what of an education. Pretty sure someone has posted a fancy quote about that on here before..Essentially a person who knows enough to think they understand the process, just enough to be dangerous like that mud fossil guy.

 

Western culture is different but real superstition is still strong in many places in the world and people practice it daily. Feeling like I should exercise some caution when talking about superstition so as to not insult people for their beliefs. Superstitions can be harmless for most people but also very damaging to others. Writing this has refreshed a memory about the fact that facebook and twitter are the most dangerous when paired with poverty and lower educations. I remember reading an article about poor moderation by big teck in these other countries. I think of one case that was in rural India where hysteria and eventually mob justice were enacted over a photo shopped picture of a tweet. Some places have become superstition on steroids with the help of social media.

 

Strange how that same internet can provide a near limitless source of learning if a person wanted it to be so.

 

Well after looking at porn of course, that should leave 23 hours and 57 minutes of the day to get on with it


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Posted 10 March 2021 - 04:11 PM

Eric Hoffer's observations about propaganda still seem valid and relevant, so I'd say technology allows it to be spread further faster but for the most part the basics haven't changed since the invention of the printing press.

 

For example:

 

Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves. (Hoffer, from his classic book about mass movements called The True Believer).


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Posted 12 March 2021 - 02:16 PM

Damn that one guy wrote a nice summary of his opinion on the true believer in the comment section. Beats me saying to myself I should read that book and then forgetting to do so

 

 

 

Remember that people generally do not join because of the rightness or wrongness of your cause. They join, rather, to forget their individual existences. Hoffer is describing what he believes is a certain psychological type:

...a mass movement, particularly in its active...phase, appeals to those not intent on bolstering and advancing a cherished self, but to those who crave to be rid of an unwanted self...Their innermost craving is for a new life- a rebirth- or...a sense of purpose and worth by an identification with a holy cause. As individuals they feel themselves to be failures, but in a group they can ascribe to their lives purpose and meaning, even if it is only in "the eyes of posterity."

 

Ain't that the truth, people just want to belong to something to forget the bullshit constantly created by our own ego's. Feels good to turn that inner struggle off for a while and just let the current take you.

 

Even the biggest loners out there have to admit it feels good to belong to something, whatever form it may take


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