
Extracting mescaline from dried Peruvianus skins
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Posted 11 April 2021 - 08:25 PM
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Posted 11 April 2021 - 10:57 PM
https://mycotopia.ne...und-with-pedro/
Is a decade old extraction write-up (broken pic links and all) of an STB tek, although the salting at the end basically makes it an A/B extraction just done in reverse. It was never intended to be a TEK for anyone to follow!
The cactus dough can be a little finnicky, and getting all the xylene out is a PITA. That Drytek is better than aqueous STB cactus extraction IMO, especially methods that call for freezing to separate the layers, but nowhere near as clean & polished as the method Greenskeeper used in Norman's link above. Especially if you've got the time and the space to do it right.
[EDIT] I think that starting with dried & powdered material might allow one to skip the freezing & pectinase steps in Greenskeeper's report, as they are mostly for breaking down cell walls in the large chunks of fresh cactus used. What do you think, Norman? Greenskeeper, if you're listening, please chime in too!
Edited by Phineas_Carmichael, 12 April 2021 - 12:54 AM.
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 12:02 AM
I myself am planning to do maybe two different extractions. I'll be doing boils and then xylene then salt out with a FASA.
The next tek I wanna try will be basically the same hcl set up talked about.
Also there is a new experiment ppl are tweaking atm at the nexus where they are using ethyl acetate and using citric acid to crash a mescaline citrate salt. Seems promising? Some ppl have had problems it seems like tho, still tweaking.
Even if it ain't all good. It's all good enough.
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 12:33 AM
I agree with Norman and Phineas.
I haven't tried using dry cactus. I've tried getting xylene out of thick wet cactus mash and it was a disaster.
I was just reading the Marsofold's tek and it's very similar. They do a couple of acidic water extractions on the plant matter whereas I did one, mainly because I had so much bulky material to work with. Do it three times to get the most out of the plant matter.
If you grind the cactus to fine powder I guess you can leave out the freezing. I've had success without using pectinase too.
Grind it up, boil it up....
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 01:00 AM
DarkNchildlike Have you done precipitation with FASA before? I haven't, all I know about it is what I read in Kash's A/B mescaline extraction. I'd like to try it as a purification step but I don't know where to get fumaric acid or clean methanol.
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#7
Posted 12 April 2021 - 02:56 AM
Fumaric acid can be had from bulk dry foods supply places. It’s used as an additive in keeping a low pH for preserving food.
The yellow bottle of HEET fuel additive is methanol. Don’t get the red it’s ISO.
Yeah I don’t see a need for a freeze with dry material. I don’t see a reason not to use pectinase though. Cant hurt.
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 06:11 AM
Unfortunately Heet is not sold in this part of the world and I can't find fumaric acid for sale either - I have no idea why. I might be able to buy fumaric on eBay but the price+shipping is outrageous.
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Posted 12 April 2021 - 10:06 AM
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#10
Posted 12 April 2021 - 05:11 PM
Great! looking forward to the progress reports :)
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Posted 15 April 2021 - 01:20 PM
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#12
Posted 15 April 2021 - 06:02 PM
Yeah, that's part of it. I don't really know what's behind the snotty mucoid nature of that stuff but I bet pectin is involved. That snot can largely be resolved by vigorous boiling in water.
I know that pectinase/pectolyase is used in wine- and juice-making industries to speed up the juicing process and improve the sedimentation/clarifying.
I've not been very scientific with the use of pectinase - I got so tired of xylene/aqueous emulsions that I added fine-filtering, a load of salt, and pectinase to the process all at once. It works! :)
So far I have not been inspired enough to evaluate each of those changes in isolation.
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Posted 15 April 2021 - 09:03 PM
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Posted 16 April 2021 - 01:49 PM
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Posted 16 April 2021 - 08:23 PM
Even if it ain't all good. It's all good enough.
#16
Posted 17 April 2021 - 01:20 AM
One ounce (28 grams) of cactus powder at 1% is 280mg of mescaline if everything goes perfectly. A quick and dirty extraction better yield 100% of the alkaloids if you want to test the material for a +/- experience...
Edited by Phineas_Carmichael, 17 April 2021 - 01:57 AM.
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Posted 17 April 2021 - 11:16 AM
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One ounce (28 grams) of cactus powder at 1% is 280mg of mescaline if everything goes perfectly. A quick and dirty extraction better yield 100% of the alkaloids if you want to test the material for a +/- experience...
Edited by el_ronhub_bird, 17 April 2021 - 03:59 PM.
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#18
Posted 17 April 2021 - 04:05 PM
@Phineas when I said "test for potency" I meant the extraction itself, not a bioassay. Anything gained from the small extraction would just get tossed in with the larger extraction
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#19
Posted 17 April 2021 - 04:54 PM
In Somebody Who Is Obviously Me's experience;
< 80 mg can be hard to distinguish from placebo
150mg really adds to enjoying music, beautiful walks. At this dose SWIOM becomes sensitive to gravity waves.
200mg shows it phenylethylamine nature - a bit like MDMA but trippier. Love the music!
300mg Tripping. Music is Trees are so beautiful.
600mg Trees. Trees. Bees. Wow. SWIOM cried with awe at the end of it.
Just one person's experience.
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Posted 17 April 2021 - 06:14 PM
the consensus over the years appears to be that 500mg of decently extracted but not necessarily pure mesc is one dose for one person of average weight. Let's call that 180 pounds.
Your mileage may vary. It takes me more than that to get the wobbly legged euphoria with pastel hallucinations Shulgin Scale 4 trip. I'm a little over 200 pounds. Except for the 20 pounds of frontal cortex that's all manly muscle :)
I'd guess a 130 newb would be seriously entertained by 300mg
Edited by pharmer, 17 April 2021 - 06:15 PM.
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