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Extracting mescaline from dried Peruvianus skins


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#21 greenskeeper

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 06:44 PM

I wonder why I'm such a lightweight? SSRIs? I weigh 78kg or 171lb. Maybe my scales are fucked, they were cheap.


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 09:17 PM

I ask because I have heard some people claim to need 1+grams for a proper experience. Crossing my fingers that I'm not one of them! I'm interested to hear from more people about their experiences with dosing mescaline though; does the standard 500mg dose give you a strong trip or do you need more than that? Experienced people please chime in and tell us!

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Posted 17 April 2021 - 10:38 PM

I've still not done it but I've heard 600 is the upper limit for a pretty pure extract.

Anything above that with a pure product will be very overwhelming, but again I have no clue experimentally.

Even if it ain't all good. It's all good enough.
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Posted 18 April 2021 - 12:16 AM

Would any of you guys already experienced with mescaline mind telling us what was your dosage and what strength was the trip it provided?

@Phineas when I said "test for potency" I meant the extraction itself, not a bioassay. Anything gained from the small extraction would just get tossed in with the larger extraction

Got it. I certainly didn't mean to discourage you from trying a trusted MHRB vendor's cactus powder. 28g is just a pretty small extraction, I would want to run at least 50g or maybe even 100g as a test. There's a goldilocks zone, not too big & not too small, on some of these procedures imo.

Although, treating it like Greens did might possibly avoid any difficulties from the small scale...

For myself (male, 5'10" 160-180lb depending on the season) I would call 150mg threshold, or +/- on the Shulgin Scale.

Something is definitely happening to my brain, but I can't quite put my finger on what. More next time!

200-250mg is a nice "museum dose" for me. I can be out in public around people who aren't on drugs without feeling like I'm showing, I could buy something from a gas station without the clerk asking me what I was on the next time I went in there.

Oh, my, when I allow myself to concentrate, those colors/patterns/visual distortions are VERY interesting!
"Keep it together, Phin. Remember, you're at the art museum & not everybody here is on drugs!"

I find 500mg to be a perfectly manageable dose for taking mescaline with a group of friends. I have a tendency to act as a caretaker when I take drugs with my people, and never like to take so much that I wouldn't be able to provide first aid should something happen to any of them, even if that first aid is something as simple as knowing where the band-aids are & being able to find them quickly. With great effort I can suppress the colorful patterns overlaid on my field of vision & even have a (very) short conversation with somebody who isn't on drugs that happens to wander up.

Oh wow! The patterns on this tree/stone/flower are absolutely fascinating! And If I look closely enough at them are they the source of that music I've been hearing?
Oh shit! It's that nice white lady from down the street with the cute French Bulldog!

*Deep Breath*

Hi Mrs. Holiday, how have you been?
[Peanuts Trombone Noises]
Yes it is a beautiful night for a backyard fire!
[Womp Womp Wompitty-Womp]
Oh, I know! What an interesting time to be alive!
[Wompitty-womp-just can't believe that's the state of things right now!]
I can't either, what are they thinking?!? It's been great seeing you but I better get back to my friends. Let's get coffee next weekend and catch up. Tell Sprinkles I say hi & give him a belly rub from me!
[Sprinkles loves you so much, I'll bring him by tomorrow for that belly rub. Toodle-oo!]

*Long Exhale*

Oh my, everything moving has the most excellent tracers behind it and that is a color I don't believe I've ever seen before...

The difference between 500mg with people and 500mg alone is huge. 750mg with someone on the property staying out of my direct awareness but surreptitiously keeping track of me was quite the humbling experience. I would not repeat that dose alone.

I wonder why I'm such a lightweight? SSRIs? I weigh 78kg or 171lb. Maybe my scales are fucked, they were cheap.

Probably not SSRIs, if anything they should make one more hard-headed. That said, I'm not a Doctor, nor have I ever played one on TV...

I'm envious of every "lightweight" I've ever met. A good buddy, after years of gentle teasing from our group about his choices concerning dosage once said, "I'm not a lightweight, my sophisticated brain is just thrifty! Have fun spending extra money on drugs, ya filthy Neanderthals!"

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Posted 18 April 2021 - 10:16 AM

My own experiences with mesc are very consistent. I've dosed somewhere around twenty times in the 20 years I've known and grown cactii.

 

I quite agree about it being crowd friendly in low to mid doses. I've had long conversations with neighbors while fuctup and doubt they had a clue other than I was uncommonly friendly that day. Even forgot I had to go to the every Wednesday night bowling league after doing a mid dose. Got a little paranoid at the idea of being around all those people so I kept a beer in hand all night (except when rolling the ball of course :)    )   in case anyone wondered why I was goofy that night. In retrospect I don't think anyone caught on.

 

Frankly that's not the range I want to be in so I go big or stay home,  and then stay home :)

 

Something to consider - mesc is quite like amphetamine in the early stages of the trip. VERY SPEEDY.  As the dose gets larger the speediness does too. I'm getting to an age where I have to give forethought to how my body is going to react to stressors like that. I'd guess that people with various health conditions who routinely take any number of various legal and non legal drugs need to be thinking likewise before dosing - regardless of their age.

 

That said I've never heard a story or read a trip report about people having health issues from tripping on mesc. There's probably an LD 50 for it but it's not been mentioned anywhere that I've been reading.


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Posted 18 April 2021 - 10:36 AM

Now I'm curious what my mescaline dose was back when I made a chocolate milkshake with 50 grams of finely-powdered skins of what I believe was San Pedro that a friend had shipped home from Peru (he bought it in person after trying it out while he was there visiting, so it was known to be a potent batch as far as powdered skins go).

 

It was among the most intense trips I've ever had. Pure bliss, too. No paranoia at all even though I did it alone while house sitting in a suburban fishbowl of a neighborhood (his back porch was in full view of 8 houses). Never had even a moment of paranoia or fear, just a bit of concern at the beginning of the peak caused by the sheer white-knuckle intensity of it. Like my brain would have physically exploded if it had gotten any more intense than it was. That stage lasted eight or nine hours; the whole thing lasted ~14. I get the impression based on what I've read here that it was in the 750 mg range.

 

Mescalito didn't want to humble me that night, luckily for me. I guess my spiritual need that particular time was inspiration and empowerment, so I was given an experience that was almost the opposite of humbling. We need those kind of nights sometimes, too.


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Posted 18 April 2021 - 01:18 PM

I've never gotten the sense that mesc is for spiritual enlightenment per se.

 

More like it's what everyone wants their first trip to be - manageable, euphoric, colorful, exotic, blissful, erotic joy.

 

Anything after that is all gravy, eh?

 

Shroooms, Aya, and sometimes acid have done the enlightenment for me.


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Posted 19 April 2021 - 10:05 AM

My first experience with it was in a peyote ceremony on a Rez near Tucson. I kept being passed a very large bowl that was filled with carefully-prepped buttons followed by a jug of peyote tea to wash 'em down with. The flavor had a lot of room for improvement, so I understand the quest for extracts, lol. Anyway, that particular mescaline experience was more on the humbling side.

 

But it was a happy variant of humbling, making me viscerally aware of how utterly huge the Multiverse is while simultaneously being relieved of the burden of carrying it all by understanding that my purpose within it is to BE and observe, and that that is enough. Everything else is obviously WAY the hell over my head. I guess it would have to be since it's what made my head in the first place. I'm just an eye looking in a mirror. I don't know, and can't know how any of it happened, including me. And that's okay. For now.

 

It seemed to me like a different flavor of Ego death than what fungi, etc. generally manifest.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 12:18 PM

A great trip is one where the primary message, above and beyond all the happy hallucinating stuff, is that Everything is going to be ok. That THIS life is all transient prep for the next.

 

I'll share the single thought that made all this very clear.

 

It needs a little prep before I share it. This is the most positive of thoughts. Contrary to most thought about death this thought puts death in the category of necessary, normal, and right.

 

The thought - "I can die now".  With no emphasis on any single word. It's just the understanding, acceptance, and unexplainable joy that it's going to be OK and gets so much  better than that.

 

The word now is meaningless as a matter of time or timing. Now has more to do with the fact that knowing those things makes the transition called death an enviable situation whenever and however it comes.

 

And that's very liberating.

 

And isn't it always the case that words are such tragically insufficient vehicles  when trying to convey these ideas to each other?


Edited by pharmer, 19 April 2021 - 12:21 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 03:35 PM

A great trip is one where the primary message, above and beyond all the happy hallucinating stuff, is that Everything is going to be ok. That THIS life is all transient prep for the next.

 

I'll share the single thought that made all this very clear.

 

It needs a little prep before I share it. This is the most positive of thoughts. Contrary to most thought about death this thought puts death in the category of necessary, normal, and right.

 

The thought - "I can die now".  With no emphasis on any single word. It's just the understanding, acceptance, and unexplainable joy that it's going to be OK and gets so much  better than that.

 

The word now is meaningless as a matter of time or timing. Now has more to do with the fact that knowing those things makes the transition called death an enviable situation whenever and however it comes.

 

And that's very liberating.

 

And isn't it always the case that words are such tragically insufficient vehicles  when trying to convey these ideas to each other?

That makes SO much sense!

And you are right... I always struggle with the appropriate words when it comes to trying to describe any meaningful trip.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 03:40 PM

“I can die now”
The first time I used ayahuasca I was laying down alone completely immobilized and I was like, “ Damn somebody could just kick the door down and kill me and I couldn’t do shit.” The following thought was “Oh well I just wouldn’t come back then.”
And yeah, “words fail me” takes on a new meaning trying to describe psychedelic experience.

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 11:07 AM

Now I'm curious what my mescaline dose was back when I made a chocolate milkshake with 50 grams of finely-powdered skins of what I believe was San Pedro that a friend had shipped home from Peru (he bought it in person after trying it out while he was there visiting, so it was known to be a potent batch as far as powdered skins go).

 

It was among the most intense trips I've ever had. Pure bliss, too. No paranoia at all even though I did it alone while house sitting in a suburban fishbowl of a neighborhood (his back porch was in full view of 8 houses). Never had even a moment of paranoia or fear, just a bit of concern at the beginning of the peak caused by the sheer white-knuckle intensity of it. Like my brain would have physically exploded if it had gotten any more intense than it was. That stage lasted eight or nine hours; the whole thing lasted ~14. I get the impression based on what I've read here that it was in the 750 mg range.

 

Mescalito didn't want to humble me that night, luckily for me. I guess my spiritual need that particular time was inspiration and empowerment, so I was given an experience that was almost the opposite of humbling. We need those kind of nights sometimes, too.

At 1% you'd have a 500mg dose, at 3% you get 1500mg   

 

given that 1% is what current consensus says home grown cactus yields, and that wild grown decades old column yield more, it seems safe to say you got the numerically  high end :)


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Posted 20 April 2021 - 03:17 PM

I can't imagine the end I was on that night being any higher.

 

And it turns out that watching a few episodes of Through the Wormhole narrated by Morgan Freeman while waiting for the cacti to kick in primes the trip to be even more cosmic than usual, apparently.



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Posted 03 May 2021 - 07:32 PM

Would this 32%hydrochloric acid from Amazon suffice for my purposes? If not where can I get said product?

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Posted 03 May 2021 - 08:15 PM

It will.

 

Ask nicely and the better chemists will tell you, down to the molecule, how to dilute exactly enough of the concentrate in that bottle to salt every last molecule of mesc out of your mother liquid.

 

That's how lucky you are to have come here to ask the right questions.

 

Life is good.


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Posted 03 May 2021 - 08:19 PM

Looks good. Do they provide a Material Safety Data Sheet for the product? See if you can find a mention of some other substance in there. If not, it's all good.

 

Edit: You'll need a little pipette to measure out drops of concentrate - you can get little plastic ones for a few cents each.

 

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 02:20 AM

Would this 32%hydrochloric acid from Amazon suffice for my purposes? If not where can I get said product?

Yeah, that's some fine HCl, but it's WAY more concentrated than anyone really needs. Plus to that, it looks like a nice reagent bottle, but is it 32% by volume or by weight? The label doesn't say, nor does it give a Molar figure...

It just says "32+% purity" and that's a huge red flag...

You'll probably be better off going to a big-box hardware store and buying some "Muriartic Acid" Concrete Cleaner or some "PH Down" for swimming pool maintenance with an MSDS and paying cash for it instead of shipping dangerously concentrated acid to your house from Amazon and leaving a paper trail...

I'm here to help with the stoichiometry (Molecule to Molecule Maths) for whatever HCl solution you choose ;)

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 08:44 AM

Just a word of caution about the big box muriatic acid for concrete.... The regular stuff is 32% (I believe. Maybe 37%) but the "green" (environmentally friendly)stuff is way less.About 24% as I recall. They both have MSDS sheets but just a word so you'll be aware the 2 are different.

 

The 'green' stuff usually has a green label.

 

Good luck.


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Posted 04 May 2021 - 12:45 PM

I found the MSDS on their website. It's 10 pages. Here's a screenshot that maybe has the info we're looking for?

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Posted 04 May 2021 - 12:54 PM

Nothing but hydrochloric in there - it's good.




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