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Extracting mescaline from dried Peruvianus skins


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#121 Norman

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 06:44 PM

Likely not necessary but it wouldn’t hurt other than be a waste of time.
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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:15 PM

I know some of you guys are just here for the porn so here's the money shot lol. First 4 pulls weighing in at about 3.6 grams total. I like how you can see each pull gradually becoming more and more impure

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:23 PM

Nicely done El Ron! I'd be curious if you washed the pulls separately if there'd be any difference between batches or is a salt a salt?
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Posted 29 May 2021 - 10:03 PM

Incredible thread


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:33 AM

Anybody with a pile of 3.5 grams is a wealthy man :)


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:48 AM

Nicely done El Ron! I'd be curious if you washed the pulls separately if there'd be any difference between batches or is a salt a salt?


My guess would be that the dirtier the starting product, the dirtier the washed product would be. I'm pretty sure the impurities contain some other alkaloids that may impart some characteristics on the final product. These are just guesses though, I'm brand new to mescaline. Other people with more experience in this thread can probably give you a better answer
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Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:50 AM

I know some of you guys are just here for the porn so here's the money shot lol. First 4 pulls weighing in at about 3.6 grams total. I like how you can see each pull gradually becoming more and more impure

If I were going to purify that flight of Mescaline I'd leave #1 alone. It's good enough by itself & doesn't need purifying.

I'd chop #2 & #3 together with a razor blade & wash them in a purification column like Greenskeeper did.

#4 needs to be ground around in a frozen mortar & pestle under freezer-cold acetone before being vacuum filtered. Getting any crystalline mesc HCl out of that goo ball will be pretty tricky...
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Posted 31 May 2021 - 05:51 PM

The last couple of batches could be dried more, I think that makes it easier to clean.

There's something in the impurities that doesn't like to give up its water. For really dirty batches that are hard to dry, I finish the evaporation in the oven at 110 C. Get the oven up to temp and turn it off so the dish won't get too hot.

Keep in mind that a little HCl vapour might come off it.

You can also use a heat pad to keep the evap dish warm and dry it slowly.


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Posted 01 June 2021 - 12:21 PM

Update:so I went through with my plan of mixing everything together. Here's my reasoning; the thinner I stretch the impurities the easier it will be to remove them. Also this leaves me with a uniform product as opposed to having 2 different grades.

My acetone sat in the freezer for 24 hours and no ice formed whatsoever. I intend to do a wash through the turkey baster like in greenskeeper's thread but I decided to give it a quick rinse utilizing another method that I had read about. Very quick and simple but I was able to remove a good portion of the impurities doing so: I put the dish of mescaline in the fridge for 5 minutes. When I pulled it out I immediately squirted just enough ice cold acetone to cover it using a small 3ml pipette dropper. I swirled it around for just a few seconds before removing the acetone with the dropper, carefully so as to not suck up any small pieces of mescaline. This was put in front of a fan to dry. After it was fully dried I chopped it up with a razor and this is what is shown in the pic. I may do one more quick rinse before the baster filtering column

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Posted 02 June 2021 - 06:35 AM

Final result is almost exactly 3 grams. I was hoping for 4 but I'm happy with what I've got. There are several areas of the extraction process that I can and will improve upon. I'm not done with this thread yet though. I'm gonna score some San Pedro powder from another vendor sometime this summer and I'll document my extractions here. In the meantime maybe I'll post about my experience/s whenever I get around to trying this stuff out. Thanks again to everyone who helped me through this process! You guys are great!

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Posted 02 June 2021 - 08:25 AM

4 grams from 400g would be a 100% yield, the absolute perfect result, if and only if the cactus was perfect & the technique was perfect. Nobody gets 100% unless they settle for impure product...

3 grams of really nice HCl like that is an embarrassment of riches. 75% is a spectacular yield; it makes you a clandestine chemist who really knows their sh*t! Once again I tip my hat to you.

Looking forward to seeing another extraction report from you when you get that other Pedro powder for sure. My buddy Freddie got 80% once and only once after about 6 weeks of wazzling; I have no doubt you can do the same with less of a struggle.

I very seldom check Storming The Gates, but I wanna hear about how this stuff blows your mind! Please cross-link your trip report here whenever you get around to tasting that beautiful powder...

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Posted 02 June 2021 - 09:05 AM

One hears that well purified mesc is the closest thing to good acid.

 

I repeat, PARTY AT HUBBIRDS' PLACE!


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Posted 18 June 2021 - 01:51 PM

I've lost a bit of xylene into the cactus juice. It mixed up a bit when pouring, and now I can't get it out but all I've tried so far is heat. It looks like It might be one giant emulsion lol. Obviously I'm done with the extraction but I need to separate the layers so I can dispose of everything properly. Any ideas? Thanks guys

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Posted 18 June 2021 - 04:09 PM

to get the xylene out just re-base the whole thing and walk through the steps as you would any other extraction

 

add NaCl, more base, and some warmth to break the emulsion

 

I guess you know you'll add base to an acidic liquid to neutralize it, and vice versa for a basic liquid?



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Posted 12 July 2021 - 03:06 PM

I'm not really a trip report type of guy but I'd like to share about the effects I've experienced with my first 3 mescaline trips so far. The doses were 400mg, 650mg, and 500mg.

My first trip was with my best friend, the next 2 were by myself. I'm sometimes weary about tripping by myself (at least with longer lasting trips like mushrooms or acid, however I prefer to be alone when I do DMT) but I've found mescaline really loans itself to the solitary experience. That's not to say that it's antisocial, I had a conversation with my mother at the peak of the 650mg trip and didn't get into that weird "can they tell I'm tripping?" paranoid type of headspace. But I really enjoyed the solitary experiences, I found myself being very introspective and examining the things I value in my life. Effect-wise it's similar to acid and MDMA but certainly has it's own distinct feeling as well. Greens were very saturated and vibrant, specifically the greens of plant life so I found myself spending most of my time outdoors communing with the vegetable world. I took my doses orally, effects take about 2 hours to kick in and last about 12 hours. I had minimal to no nausea. What I did feel in my gut I would not describe as nausea, more like a light fluttery feeling that passed before the effects kicked in. That's about all I have to say about it. I really like it, 10/10 will be doing this a lot more lol

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#136 el_ronhub_bird

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Posted 19 July 2021 - 08:22 PM

So I decided to do one last pull before I disposed of the cactus juice. To my surprise I pulled about 125mg of pretty clean mescaline out of it. It will be a great addition to the last 700mg that I'll be taking tomorrow. 825mg will be my biggest dose yet but I'm ready for it lol

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Posted 20 July 2021 - 01:12 AM

Holy math that sounds awesome :)

I want a trip report on the big dose my dude!

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Posted 21 July 2021 - 02:57 PM

 825mg will be my biggest dose yet but I'm ready for it lol

 

Hang on tight!

 

I'm a bit jealous of what's in store for you. I'm way overdue for another go with cactus. Whenever I think about it it blows my mind that there isn't a movement to legalize mescaline that's just as or even more popular than the one to legalize fungi.



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Posted 21 July 2021 - 08:39 PM

If you absolutely feel the need to shake, that's the way to do it; gently at first with increasing intensity & allowing the layers to separate between step-ups. You'll almost never see anyone shaking anything in a chemistry lab, but I have to remind myself that this is clandestine chemistry, & there are multiple routes to the same end product.

One more defeat can't hurt, especially if the xylene keeps coming out that discolored. Keep up the good work!

I have added in a 10% by volume of acetone to my defat seems to help

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Posted 21 July 2021 - 08:47 PM

The solution and xylene sat overnight in the sep funnel. I did not get a pic at this stage but it was mostly separated but could have been better so I drained it out in order to heat it or something to get it separated a bit better. However after just draining it into a jar it separated real nice and that's what's shown in the pic. So the xylene layer has been separated and put in its own jar, shown in the other pic. The solution has been put back in the mixing jug and I'm preparing to salt out the xylene. I'll probably need a bit of help at this point so please chime in. Especially with the HCL acid part. I've been following along greenskeepers thread as a rough guideline and he uses a different strength acid so I'm not quite sure how to go about mixing that up. I have gloves and goggles and little plastic droppers to handle the acid with so I'm ready for the next step but I'll wait to hear from you guys before moving forward

It's at this point I like to pull out my uv flash light and look at the alks suspended in the zylean.

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