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[Chips101]

Success! It hasn't completely dried but it's dry enough to see what we're working with. It looks like every other pic of mescaline I've ever come across online so I take it that's a good sign

So what I did to get to this point was to mix about 20 drops of 20% HCL with 100ml of distilled water. This was added to the xylene and shaken vigorously. At this point The mesc water ph tested at about 6. The layers were separated with the funnel and the water was placed in a dish in front of a fan to evaporate overnight. The second pull is currently separating in the funnel. And this is where everything stands at the moment.

Thanks again to everyone who has coached me along. I really appreciate it!

That's it ...that's it

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[Chips101]

Regardless how many times I work with cactus its forums like this where the real gold can be found great write up.

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[Phineas_Carmichael]

I have added in a 10% by volume of acetone to my defat seems to help

Most of that acetone likely stays in the aqueous layer. Acetone is miscible in both water and xylene, so when you mix the 3-solvent system the acetone gets to "pick" which layer it stays with.

If it helps with emulsions it's probably by making the aqueous layer "more polar" the same way that table salt does.

[el_ronhub_bird]

When I was younger I used to go on psychedelic adventures. Now, at least with these solitary mescaline trips, I kinda just go about my day lol. Which leads to some interesting experiences, like religious ecstasy while taking a shower. The juxtaposition and overlap of divine and mundane is really something! One moment my eyes are turned towards the sky with tears running down, the next I'm gagging and puking on my toothpaste cause this mescaline has my tastebuds turned up to 100! I don't really know what more to say about it, I pretty much covered everything in the last "trip report" post. Like I said, I'm not really doing anything special with these trips, just going about my day. I really love this stuff, whenever I make some more I might do like a 1gram trip, I don't know if I'll ever go beyond that though. This 825mg trip was really intense, but in the best way possible. It feels like it's impossible to have a bad trip on this stuff. Thanks again to everyone who helped and taught me how to do these extractions. Mycotopia, you guys are the best!

[el_ronhub_bird]

200 grams of dried Peruvianus skins! Game on boys!

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[CatsAndBats]

Commenting to follow this thread [I'm on my phone] Hi!

[CatsAndBats]

 

I know some of you guys are just here for the porn so here's the money shot lol. First 4 pulls weighing in at about 3.6 grams total. I like how you can see each pull gradually becoming more and more impure

If I were going to purify that flight of Mescaline I'd leave #1 alone. It's good enough by itself & doesn't need purifying.

I'd chop #2 & #3 together with a razor blade & wash them in a purification column like Greenskeeper did.

#4 needs to be ground around in a frozen mortar & pestle under freezer-cold acetone before being vacuum filtered. Getting any crystalline mesc HCl out of that goo ball will be pretty tricky...

 

 

 

One hears that well purified mesc is the closest thing to good acid.

 

I repeat, PARTY AT HUBBIRDS' PLACE!

Damn it, when I was reading this thread as a guest on my phone I swore it was a more active thread date-wise

 

 

The quotes above are just so y'all get the notifications, hi y'all!

 

So I've extracted dmt maybe 20x now, and I always use cyb's salt tek, so I have the muscle memory built in for an a2b extraction and have a basic understanding of what's happening.

 

I'm so dizzy from reading a bazillion cactus extraction threads, so here's a few questions:

 

1) I gathered that there are people who prefer using powdered cactus, either pulverized by user or purchased that way, and another group that seem to be very anti-cactus powder, due to its sludge like consistency. Can anyone chime in on their preference and why?

 

2) Assuming that I proceed with fresh, the alkaloids are found only in the skins, correct? So one should use just the skins and discard the flesh/core?

 

3) Does one need the freezing stage if one is pureeing in a blender? I imagine the pureeing process will break the cell walls, but I could be wrong.

 

4) Can I use the materials on hand and essentially do the Cyb tek/crossed with Kash's tek? Meaning, I don't need two gallons of HCL acid that I'd get from paying cash at a box store or local pool supply.  I have acetone, naphtha, crystalized citric acid, acetic acid (white vinegar 5%), NaOH, and Ca(OH)₂

 

(I did sub lime for some of the lye in the middle of a dmt pull, not realizing that lime is hydrophobic or not very soluble in h₂o and even though it took a few more days, I pulled white-ass xtals out of the freezer! More about that some other time)

 

4.5) Can one use acetone or naphtha as the main solvent for the mesc pulls? How does one know if one's acetone is anhydrous? Isn't all acetone anhydrous?

 

kk, that's all the questions that I can remember for now, thanks in advance for your attention,

 

Love,

CatsAndBats

 

 

 

[el_ronhub_bird]

What's up Cats? I don't have much for you in the way of answers to your questions but it is my thread so I figured I'd comment anyway! Let's see if we can get some people to come in here and give some answers. This thread documents my first and so far, only mescaline extraction to date so I'm a noob myself. However I will be doing another one in the very near future and I'll be documenting that here

[pharmer]

Cats and Bats is back in the house. Nice.

 

Answer to anhydrous question is to place your acetone in a tightly sealed glass jar and put it in the freezer. The water freezes and the acetone remains unfrozen. Decant the acetone into another tightly sealed glass container.

 

 

[Alpoehi]

Hi folks, I just made a Kash's A/B extraction the other day and I think I can share some experiences. I try to cope up with CatsAndBats questions:

 

 

1) I gathered that there are people who prefer using powdered cactus, either pulverized by user or purchased that way, and another group that seem to be very anti-cactus powder, due to its sludge like consistency. Can anyone chime in on their preference and why?

 

I belong to the group that tends to avoid pulverized cactus. That's mainly because I grow the cactus myself and I see no reason to make a powder from my yield. I can freeze the yield at any time. I made an extraction from frozen cactus I kept two years in the freezer and it worked very well. From my experiences I would guess it is far more easy to make an extraction from fresh material. It is more easy to discard unwanted fine particles in the solution when the boiling is done. For me it is the best way to avoid emulsion buildup in the later process.

 

2) Assuming that I proceed with fresh, the alkaloids are found only in the skins, correct? So one should use just the skins and discard the flesh/core?

 

I boil everything because for me it doesn't matter. I give two litres in a pot made from stainless steel. There is enough volume for the whole cactus in each boil.

 

3) Does one need the freezing stage if one is pureeing in a blender? I imagine the pureeing process will break the cell walls, but I could be wrong.

 

I do not treat the chops mechanically in any way. I just let them boil. I don't even stirr it. The boiling is enough to mix the material. But freezing the cactus before processing it at least one time I consider to be important. I freeze it 2 to 3 times. Take care not to loose any liquid from the frozen cactus whilst unfreezing.

 

4) Can I use the materials on hand and essentially do the Cyb tek/crossed with Kash's tek? Meaning, I don't need two gallons of HCL acid that I'd get from paying cash at a box store or local pool supply.  I have acetone, naphtha, crystalized citric acid, acetic acid (white vinegar 5%), NaOH, and Ca(OH)₂

 

_{Cannot answer that question. For the salting I use 25% HCL solution. This is because I couldn't get any stronger HCL. I just took 0.75ml instead of 0.5 ml for the salting. Have some PH indicators nearby to make shure the PH rises beyond 7.}

_{White vinegar has a strong smell. I used in my first extraction white vinegar and the smell was aweful. So I used citric acid the next time. My opinion is: White vinegar - layers seperate more easy. Citric acid - layers don't separate that easy, additional heating in a hot water bath is nessecary. I did the heating with boiling water. Be cautious with your glassware when doing that. I always use heat resistant laboratory glassware.}

 

 

Yesterday I ingested 277 mg. Was a light, warm onset. I like the feeling of that particular, unexplainable  bliss. I've gone through the whole procedure for getting rid of despression over the holidays. I also think on micrososing in the future.

 

I was surprised to observe that the small crystals are attracting water from the air very rapidly. The razor blade I used to scrape of the powder was wet the next day. So I learned to store the yield in a airtight container.

 

Thanks to Pharmer for the hint freezing the acetone. I only knew about adding Epsom Salts to it in order to absorb the water.

And thanks to el_ronhub_bird for posting that thread.

 

 

After 3 hours boiling and 2 hours stirring I enjoyed the pull!

 

[YoshiTrainer]

It sounds like you had a wonderful time Alpoehi!

1) I gathered that there are people who prefer using powdered cactus, either pulverized by user or purchased that way, and another group that seem to be very anti-cactus powder, due to its sludge like consistency. Can anyone chime in on their preference and why?

I've only done a few extractions, so I have a lot to learn! I think one of the biggest differences between fresh and dried is overall volume of the acid extraction. I'm leaning towards using powders. I aged a section of Peruvianus for 6 months then chopped into discs and air dried in my garage during Summer. They were finished in the dehydrator before being ground and stored in a Mason jar with desiccant. Most recently I did a cold water extraction with acetic acid then condensed to about a pint. Then I followed Greenskeeper's write up (mostly).

2) Assuming that I proceed with fresh, the alkaloids are found only in the skins, correct? So one should use just the skins and discard the flesh/core?

The highest % is in the skins, there is some in the white part too though. The woody core should be removed and some people apparently remove the spines too.

3) Does one need the freezing stage if one is pureeing in a blender? I imagine the pureeing process will break the cell walls, but I could be wrong

If you are pureeing the cacti, I'd guess you could skip the freezing.

4) Can I use the materials on hand and essentially do the Cyb tek/crossed with Kash's tek? Meaning, I don't need two gallons of HCL acid that I'd get from paying cash at a box store or local pool supply. I have acetone, naphtha, crystalized citric acid, acetic acid (white vinegar 5%), NaOH, and Ca(OH)2

I don't think you materials list will work, hopefully @Phineas will see this. I believe for the A/B you need to hit a pH of 13, I think NaOH is necessary. (Which you have) The pulls I believe need to be done with xylene or D-limonene? The salting stage I use muriatic acid from the box store. I cut it 50/50 with water in a dropper bottle for salting. I believe with salting you need to hit pH 7 or below. If you go too low, you run the risk of pulling plant gunk. You can use your acetone for crystal clean up. Baked Epsom salts in your acetone dries it but it comes fresh from the store anhydrous.

I'm just finishing the evapotion of the most recent run and will be running the other half of the Peruviananus powder using Loveall's CIELO TEK. CIELO is a much faster STB, it turns a multiple day extraction into about an hour plus an overnight rest. It also uses safer chemicals, lime, ethyl acetate and citric acid.

I'll report back later.

[tregar]

el_ronhub_bird, if those are the peruvian skins from Peru, they are indeed potent, I may the oddball out, as way way back, many years ago I used to extract the skins from Peru and they had alot of mescaline indeed, the skins I got in the states after that were very weak unfortunately. 

 

Now days I just make a tea using bridgesii, 600 grams of fresh skins cut from around the core makes a tea equivalent to 600/2 = approx 300mg mescaline and 800 grams of fresh skins cut from around the core make a tea equivalent fo 800/2 = 400mg mescaline, I've drank cactus tea over 100 times, and find this appoximation quite accurate for myself. 

They are so precious and rare that I typically only drink before I go to the waterpark down the street to enjoy nature and the bikini scenery all morning and afternoon long. 11 out of 10 expereince, can't rate highly enough, much of the time I'm just like "woooahhhhh" just incredible. I rate these trips as the best of my entire life, usually always a +5 Shulgin level experience, I tend to take a 900grams tea trip at the waterpark, equivalent to 450mg of mescaline, mind-blowing good time. 

 

To make the tea, I peel and boil the skins from around the core, reduce downn to 150grams per oz, put a 6oz tea (1/2 pint tall jar holds 6 to 7oz) away in the fridge for 2 days, all the green gunk (less than 1/4" layer) will fall to the bottom, decant and drink only what is above the green gunk, zero nausea, I freeze and put away additional jars of tea for the summer waterpark. No filtering needed this way as the fridge decantation takes care of all that. Very simple and effective.

 

Great work on your extractions, keep up the good work. 

[el_ronhub_bird]

@tregar this particular batch, the 200 grams pictured earlier in the thread that I'm processing now (and will be posting about in this thread very soon!) did in fact come in the mail directly from Peru. From what I understand it is rather potent. I got 3 grams of very clean mescaline from 400 grams of dried skins. I think tightening up my method could result in up to 1% yields. We'll see very soon

Edited by el_ronhub_bird, 26 December 2022 - 07:38 PM.

[pharmer]

On the topic of freezing:

 

Understand that freezing breaks down the flesh at the cellular level. Icing slices up the cells and releases what's in them

 

Compare that to grinding dried chips into smaller chips and bits but nowhere near the cellular level and you're doing much better work with the freezing and you don't have to get that green dust in your nose - which ain't pleasant

 

On the topic of skins-only:

 

A long time ago Norman did a side by side experiment with skins only and skins plus white flesh. I'm pretty sure the number was 5% increase in yield using the white flesh and skins.  Given how dear cactus flesh is if you're not growing it that's worth considering.

[tregar]

el_ronhub_bird said:

"@tregar this particular batch, the 200 grams pictured earlier in the thread that I'm processing now (and will be posting about in this thread very soon!) did in fact come in the mail directly from Peru. From what I understand it is rather potent. I got 3 grams of very clean mescaline from 400 grams of dried skins. I think tightening up my method could result in up to 1% yields. We'll see very soon."

 

Yes el_ronhub_bird, when you multiply 400g dried x 10 = 4000g fresh (around 750mg per 1,000g fresh = 3g) That sounds exactly like the yields I used to get from it. He no longer accepts paypal or cash app which is the method I used to use, but when I did order, even a year ago, it always came in no problem, last batch of skins I got a year ago came in only 5 days after he mailed it. Good job! I would use a small thick glass carboy, lye and tolulol (way better than xylene) to extract and gas the tolulol with a hand held hcl gasser in a plastic bottle I used to make to get pure mescaline (I would wear a gas mask by an open window with fan when doing this, to expel the gas outside), which I then cleaned with cold dry acetone by grinding the mescaline with the cold acetone in a mortar and peste and rinse over a #101 round filter disk using vacuum filter with pump.

 

I no longer extract, just make a zero nausea tea, works just fine for me, saves me all the effort I used to use. However, the only way my wife would sample it was in pure dry mescaline form in a capsule, and she loved it the two times she took a 350mg dose. She found it way more empathetic and aesthetically pleasing then LSD. 

 

pharmer said:

On the topic of freezing:

 

Understand that freezing breaks down the flesh at the cellular level. Icing slices up the cells and releases what's in them

 

Compare that to grinding dried chips into smaller chips and bits but nowhere near the cellular level and you're doing much better work with the freezing and you don't have to get that green dust in your nose - which ain't pleasant

 

On the topic of skins-only:

 

A long time ago Norman did a side by side experiment with skins only and skins plus white flesh. I'm pretty sure the number was 5% increase in yield using the white flesh and skins.  Given how dear cactus flesh is if you're not growing it that's worth considering.

 

 

Edited by tregar, 27 December 2022 - 08:11 AM.

[el_ronhub_bird]

The color didn't come through, it's a green color. We're working with 250 grams of powdered Peruvianus skins. I'm gonna bring the material to field capacity then freeze it in hopes it will help break cell walls down. I didn't do it last time but I figured it can't hurt

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Edited by el_ronhub_bird, 15 January 2023 - 05:56 PM.

[YoshiTrainer]

You're busy! How are you going to process it?

[el_ronhub_bird]

You're busy! How are you going to process it?

Mescaline extraction

[el_ronhub_bird]

Since my slow cooker is freed up for the time being, this frozen cactus goop is going into the crackpot to melt. I will be adding half tap water and half vinegar to create the acid phase goop

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[DocOct]

Ive been keeping up with this extraction log, along with your dmt extractions. Very interesting stuff. I would never do dmt myself, However i would do extracted mescaline.

Inspires me to want to do a mescaline extraction, i just need to wait for my cacti to reach a good growth point. Maybe in a couple of years from now. I cut the new growth off every year and plant it, seems like a good practice.

I had a pdf saved from a similar extraction but this method seems much easier, similar but easier. Not a bunch of cactus pulp in the basic solution to worry about.

I definitely love what im seeing here.

Btw that picture looks like a frozen elephant turd.