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Posted 24 April 2021 - 02:16 PM

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Yoyoyo party peeps... I’m sure plenty have done this before (Sandman has sand bags that I can think of off the top of my head) or are currently doing it and there’s nothing new under the sun, as they say, but I’ve been using ziplocks a lot lately and thought I’d make a thread about it... maybe give others ideas of their own.

I like ziplocks because they’re: available almost everywhere, cheap, come in various sizes, reusable, FAE holes can easily be added to them, allows for lots of headroom for fruit growth, and they act as a built in liner when used for fruiting sub blocks.

The one downfall is that they’re obviously not stackable, but you can hang them... I haven’t had a need to hang them so I don’t have any pics of that but you can imagine that’d be pretty easy and with some strategically placed coat rods, you could fill a closet space up with hanging ziplocks.

Let’s get the show on the road, shall we?

**1 myco quart of spawn to 2 quarts of Coir/Verm (CV) in a 2 gallon ziplock blocks**

I use these just like you would a shoe box... small 1qt spawn grows either for testing out a culture or if you have suspect bacterial spawn etc.

Items needed:

- 1 x 2 gallon freezer ziplock
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- 1 x gladware 8 cup deep dish rectangular food container
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- 16g syringe needle
- 1 myco quart colonized grain spawn
- 2 quarts prepared coir/verm (I still use verm because I like it, but if you use just coir, that’s obviously fine). I use the standard 650g coir, 2 quarts verm, 1 gallon water, bucketed recipe. If you want to make just enough for one of these bags: 80g coir, 2 cups water, 1 cup verm.

These are stupid fast to make... if you’re using a new bag, there’s nothing to wash or clean except for your hands

1. Break up your jar of colonized grain and add it to the 2 gallon bag.. you can break up the grain more to individual grains once in the bag
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2. Add 2 qts of CV to the bag and zip it up with as much air in the bag as you can (don’t blow into it lol. There’ll be plenty of air if you just push the sides out and zip it up). Bunch up the zipper end with one hand and shake the shit out of it to mix the grain and CV thoroughly.
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3. The ziplocks aren’t gusseted so we’re going to make it so the sides are flatter... do this by taping over about 2.5” of each corner like so:
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^^^ I do that on both corners (fold one to the left, the other to the right). this is basically to reduce the size of the bag at the bottom so I can fit it in the 8 cup container better... if you don’t do that, those corners have to go somewhere and you’ll end up with them bunched up and small amounts of sub will get trapped in the little crevices. But you can get creative with the size container you use... I just like those containers because I like the thicker sub with a smaller fruiting surface.. I feel like I get bigger fruits that way. I know that’s debatable but that’s how I roll.

4. Put the bag with sub into the 8 cup container.. the container is simply to form the sub into a block shape
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5. I even out the top and lightly tap the container on the table to compress it slightly and add a top layer.

6. Take the syringe needle and poke FAE holes every 2” all over the bag (above sub level). For the two inches at and above sub level, I double up in the holes and go every 1” like this: ‘ . ‘ . ‘ . ‘ . ‘ in a band all around the bag

7. It even has a built-in label!
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8. For colonizing, I just fold the bag top over
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9. After the 4-6 days it takes to colonize, I pull the bag top up to start fruiting.. you can take the container off the bottom if you want (the bag will be stuck to the sides of the sub and act as a liner). I tend to leave them on
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That’s it! You may have to dial them in a bit with the amount of holes you poke in the bags depending on your climate. You can also unzip the top whatever amount you want if you need to introduce a lot if FAE, like mid-fruiting or if the weather changes drastically for example. The bags are definitely washable and reusable. They’re pretty easy to wash if you turn them inside out and put them on a big cutting board in your sink.. really fast that way. If you’re reusing one, obviously you can’t use ones with holes in them to mix your sub and grain... just have a non-modified one that you mix in and then transfer to the one you’re reusing.

One of the best features of using an oversized bag for the container to shape the sub block is that side pins are no problem at all... if you see a bunch of side pins coming in, you simply untape the corners and pull the bag away from the sub sides/ends and allow those fruits to grow into normal plump fruits!

Another nice feature is that if you get a lot of water pooling before fruiting, just take grab the bag by the sub block and turn it upside down over the sink and the water drains out. Ez pz!

Here’s some results...

Apeu MS:
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PE/pfrs clone:
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2nd flush:
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2 bags of Pea+ f1 clone (these had lots of side pins and I just pulled the bag away from the sub and let them do their thing):
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2nd flush:
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2 bags of Pea+ F2 MS:
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3 bags of Pea+ f3 MS (with these, I used the prints the next day after taking them and they were slightly bacterial... I should’ve waited at least a few days for them to dry)
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Took 1 of them to a second flush:
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**Fruiting 16qt Substrates in 2.5 Gallon Ziplocks for Second Flushes and Beyond**

This is as easy as it sounds... when I did 16qt tub grows, I sometimes ran out of tubs to put new subs into so if I had a tub that was finished with its 1st flush, I take that sub and put it into a 2.5 gallon ziplock and poke needle holes every 2” on the top and fruit the 2nd flush that way.. worked well:
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**Fruiting 3 or Less Cakes in a 2.5 Gallon Ziplock**

I use to use 2 gallon but that extra bag is nice for fruit space. Pretty simple.. I’ll let the pics speak for themselves.. an 8 cup container with ~3” of perlite with cakes sitting in 4oz jar lid that are DEC. I found using CV leftovers from bucketed sub works better than just verm for the cake recipe (obviously still use brf). And then needle holes poked every 2” and double that up at cake level.
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**Tall 1/2 Pint Culture Tester Jars (finally, a reason to have tall 1/2 pints lol)**

I actually recently used a water tub for fruiting out ~1/3 cup grain to ~2/3 cup of CV using tall 1/2 pints. Just put 4 testers in a 8 cup container with some water in it in a 2.5 gallon ziplock with the standard needle holes:
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I use to bury the tall 1/2 pints in perlite before I just used water:
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**Lastly, just get creative.. ziplocks and containers come in all different sizes. You can do a lot with a bag, a container and a needle**
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Posted 24 April 2021 - 04:41 PM

Great work, write up and photos, thank you for sharing!
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Posted 24 April 2021 - 06:41 PM

I really like this idea! I'm in the process of getting started here in the next week or two, and I think this is the route I will go once I get my agar colonized and my LC's going. Glad I saw this and thank you for sharing!


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Posted 24 April 2021 - 08:07 PM

:)

Here’s one I just made.. took about 10 minutes if that. It’s PE/Apeu hybrid attempt
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Here’s one that I made 8 days ago.. PE/pesa hybrid attempt. Got some pin action happening on the left one
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Posted 24 April 2021 - 09:29 PM

Damn Faht. I'm convinced. Not all the way but enough to try this with this next grow.
Excellent write up and the pics are great.
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Posted 25 April 2021 - 07:00 AM

This is making me think I might switch over.  I really only want to do small batches and I might like to get rid of my full-size sketchy looking rubbermaid tubs with holes cut in the sides.  I'm not a fan of all the plastic bags but they can be re-used and we have local bag recycling available...

 

Do you keep a fan in the area of the fruiting bags for better FAE or do they do fine with just the holes in the bags?

 

Also is my math right that each block of coir will make about eight of these?

 

 

 

I use the standard 650g coir, 2 quarts verm, 1 gallon water, bucketed recipe.

 

 

This is not totally on-topic, but is it possible to put some of this substrate aside for a bit if you don't want to use all of it all at once?


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 07:07 AM

Coir by most is non-nutritious so doesn't even need to be pasteurized/cooked at this point. 

Even jiffy seedling mix I stopped pasteurizing...I like to use hot to boiling water but don't pay attention to temperature or duration of the soak. 

Edit: to answer the question, yes cook it up and store till use....I used to re-pasteurize if it was sitting out but now I just check field capacity and go to work!


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 07:16 AM

This is making me think I might switch over. I really only want to do small batches and I might like to get rid of my full-size sketchy looking rubbermaid tubs with holes cut in the sides. I'm not a fan of all the plastic bags but they can be re-used and we have local bag recycling available...

Do you keep a fan in the area of the fruiting bags for better FAE or do they do fine with just the holes in the bags?

Also is my math right that each block of coir will make about eight of these?


I use the standard 650g coir, 2 quarts verm, 1 gallon water, bucketed recipe.



This is not totally on-topic, but is it possible to put some of this substrate aside for a bit if you don't want to use all of it all at once?
Yeah.. ~8 bags. I’ve used CV that was over a month old.. I still use boiling water but that’s just me.. a ton of ppl just use hot tap water. CV has been a miracle substrate compared to what I use to use (hpoo and straw) it’s soooooo much easier.

I have a small 6” fan that’s on the other side of the room from the closet and it’s pointed at the wall away from the closet on low.. very little air movement but there is some

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Posted 25 April 2021 - 07:29 AM

Is the CV nutritious enough to get a couple of flushes out of these little grows?  It would be way easier for me to source than decent manure.


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 08:05 AM

As usual Faht..........holy shit.............. Excellent stuff right here brother!

 

I've done this with filter patch bags too but the addition of the small tub/tray alleviates the pooling water from condensation issue IME......

 

A tray in tub, or in this case a tray in a bag, is a cool method......obviously......

 

Thanks for sharing man!

 


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 11:32 AM

Is the CV nutritious enough to get a couple of flushes out of these little grows? It would be way easier for me to source than decent manure.

Yeah I get 2 flushes out of em.. above there’s some second flushes posted below the first flush. They’re not usually huge if the first flush was but that’s with most substrates I’d say. I just throw the sub in the 8 cup tray with water and put the lid on for a few hours to rehydrate. I’d say just try a few cv subs and see what you think. Some ppl even omit the verm but I like it for water retention

As usual Faht..........holy shit.............. Excellent stuff right here brother!

I've done this with filter patch bags too but the addition of the small tub/tray alleviates the pooling water from condensation issue IME......

A tray in tub, or in this case a tray in a bag, is a cool method......obviously......

Thanks for sharing man!

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Thanks! Yeah that problem is still there with the block of course but I just turn the upside down over the sink every few days.. with the trays, that’s not a prob, correct. :)

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Posted 25 April 2021 - 05:30 PM

"Pics or it didn't happen!"

 

 

When we say that to people making big claims, this thread is what we mean.

 

This shit HAPPENED.  :thumbs_up:

 

I'd say "archive material" to this but I'm not sure if that's a thing anymore.


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 08:10 PM

Those sacks sure are sweet homey! 

 

That is cool that you have been reusing them too.

 

I just starting using a needle tracing wheel to run a strip of holes on my sandbags https://www.amazon.c...uct/B071P6V4ZJ 

 

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Personally with my bags I find the second flush about not worth the effort compared to how easy and fast they are to make fresh. You get most in one anyway. 


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Posted 25 April 2021 - 09:30 PM

Oh wow.. that’s a great idea! Thanks!

Yeah... I only run them for a second flush if I have the room and if it’s something like a cross attempt or early gen where something neat might pop out on the second flush but I’ve only done a handful.. the apeu I was like nah.. not worth it lol

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Posted 27 April 2021 - 01:41 PM

HEY FAHT!!!

Just trying to catch your attention. I'm about to try the bag method with some Koh Samui and then albino A+. There was no mention of watering in this post.

Did you still mist each day or does the bag hold moisture longer?
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Posted 27 April 2021 - 02:42 PM

No misting.. they’re pretty set and forget. If your sub is at field capacity while it’s colonizing, the bag being folded over keeps things pretty contained... during fruiting, I actually have to turn the them over to dump out the water that drips down from the condensation on the sides of the bags every few days.

I guess that’s what I meant by still “dialing them in” with amount of holes... if you’re seeing a lot of dryness, you might want to cut back on the amount of holes but I haven’t run into that problem.. I do live in a pretty wet part of the world though. Good luck and please keep me posted!

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Posted 27 April 2021 - 05:54 PM

Instead of holes, do you think it would be possible to dial them in by opening the ziplock part way?


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Posted 27 April 2021 - 06:11 PM

I know ppl fruit in spawn bags that have the 5 micron filter patches near the top so I think it’s possible... I just like having some FAE at the sub level.. it’s actually on the list of things to try with these.. it’s fairly new to me as well so if you try it, please report back!

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Posted 30 April 2021 - 12:48 PM

This is a great idea Faht!! I’m gonna be trying this out soon. I’ve got some brf jars in the works that would be perfect to fruit in a ziplock bag.

Thanks for sharing!
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Posted 01 May 2021 - 01:32 PM

Another successful water tub... definitely going to be my go to for these tester jars.. no more perlite is very much a plus
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