Re: August West: ..."I'm having a hard time fitting your contributions into the context of the op."...
The original post is very long. It seemed to me the main ideas of the thread were that what is dangerous in the world now, is loss of freedom, corrupt authorities, corrupted science, and corrupted facts /news, or fake news.
My points, (right or wrong) are that although there may be some truth to these allegations they are not the main driving points, behind the deteriorating conditions. Yes freedom & privacy are being diminished, by security cameras, facial recognition, big or meta data collection, biased AI algorithms, and hacking.
Also police are being militarized (also not discussed); and whole countries invaded, turned into hell, and/or, subjugated for example: Tibet, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, & some Nations in Africa etc. (also not discussed)
So what do I say is the main, culprit of deteriorating quality of life for the majority of humans at this point? 1) Population growth (which has tripled world wide in my life time) And (2) the success (not failure) of science and technology which have made possible mega cities (where the pollution actually kills people (the most recent well known examples possibly being: Beijing China, Mexico City, and some big European cities now enacting restrictive traffic laws). In my view cities lower the quality of life in many other ways, as well.
And what is the cause of population growth? The inability of humans to control their birth rate, (or in plain language: horniness), which some animals can do, but which the virulent or fatal diseases and viruses do not do.
So I do not put the blame on outside causes, as the article suggests (of which, supposed cause, some are perhaps afraid). Rather humans choose to kill trees and forests & wipe out entire animal species and live in concrete cages, called cities. And the migration of population into cities is predicted to increase until the majority live in them, and even then continue.
My final point is that Global Warming will most likely make all of the above issues (both the ones raised by the OP, the thread, & myself) trivial by comparison. When masses try to leave flooded costal cities world wide, and they are as unwanted in their own countries, as the immigrant crisis in Europe and the US southern border cause foreign immigrants to be, the result will be chaos, and in the USA, where gun ownership is the highest in the world, I expect it will get ugly quickly once it begins, in possibly 5 to 50 years from now.
There are a number of further wild cards in the mix. Constant cyber war, post Stuxnet and Nitro Zeus. Iran & Israel, and North Korea.
And yes hacking is a real wild card, as we see right now: "U.S. gasoline prices may surge to their highest since 2014 even faster than previously expected as a cyberattack disrupts operations on the nation’s biggest oil fuel pipeline."
Which raises the question of wether the vast military budget of the US actually defends, and if, government priorities aren't simply stupid. Perhaps corruption, greed, and stupidity are all facets of the same 'thing'?
As mentioned before, other wild cards are the disruption, to both water supplies and food production, that are likely to accompany GW, and mass migration. The effects of species extinction, and their effect on the pollination of food crops; and increase in fires like those in Australia and now regularly in California, are further unknowns.
So again I do not put the blame on the outside causes, authorities, or conspiracies, as the article seems to suggest. We have chosen to make a vast population in the US dependent on outdated infrastructure, particularly the power grid, which when over burdened causes some of the California fires, (When the wires overheat they sag onto the trees below, & due to lack of space they cannot be updated), which get worse every year. And they are overburdened due to population growth. The power grid is also run on outdated software and vulnerable to hacking.
The covid crisis in India is again due to over crowding and a religious festival that attracted millions and vast election rallies, again due to ignorant human behavior, & over population, & not some outside evil.
Edited by shiftingshadows, 10 May 2021 - 10:56 AM.