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#1 motley

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Posted 08 July 2021 - 12:34 PM

In a previous thread, I posted a picture of my first bulk grow, which hopefully will start pinning soon, to see if I could get a bit of confirmation that it looked the way it was supposed to, since, as I put it in that thread: "As someone relatively new to cultivation, I find the most difficult part to be the fact that I don't yet have the experience to know if things look "right"."

 

I'm also doing a PF tek in-vitro grow, and I want to make sure the mushrooms themselves look OK. The ones with the bright golden heads are the newer ones, the ones with the dull colored heads are a bit older. Do they look OK? Is it normal for the color to get dull like that? They are golden teachers, started pinning about about 7-10 days ago.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

There are maybe 20 or so small pins scattered throughout. (I know that last pic is terrible, but you can see lots of fruit developing on the glass)

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#2 HawksTwelfth

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Posted 08 July 2021 - 01:33 PM

I am also fairly new so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

I think they look fine so far, little bit of fuzzy feet which indicates too much C02 so up the FAE a bit but that also could just be some fluffy mycelium there since there is some not attached to any fruit, now if that stuff spreads fast then its most likely some sort of contaminant. 

 

I wouldn't worry too much unless the fluffy stuff spreads fast and takes over.


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Posted 08 July 2021 - 02:29 PM

How are you keeping the humidity up?


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Posted 08 July 2021 - 04:23 PM

I have a small plastic bag with holes in it that I fit over the top of the jar with a rubber band, and I mist the inside of the plastic bag whenever I open it up to fan it, and if it looks a bit dry, I'll spray a bit up in the air and let the mist come down on the mushrooms lightly. Do you think that's a good protocol?



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Posted 08 July 2021 - 06:32 PM

I wouldn’t mist your mushrooms directly at all it can stunt their growth in my limited experience if your substrate is drying out I’ve hear about boiling water and using an eye dropper to drop around the fruits avoiding getting any directly on them.

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Posted 08 July 2021 - 06:48 PM

Thanks for the tip! Do you think that could be why the caps are going from bright to dull?


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Posted 08 July 2021 - 09:00 PM

Thanks for the tip! Do you think that could be why the caps are going from bright to dull?


I think it may be, I’ve had some when I get wet they got darker stopped growing.

Like I said grain of salt but that’s my current though process.
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Posted 09 July 2021 - 12:10 AM

Im with Hawks on that take. They don't seem to like direct water. I've never tried the in vitro jars, so I really don't know. Seems like they might grow different colors just from being smooshed in a jar though. Side pins always look weird in a tub.
The hardware store in Staples has big Ziploc bags. Maybe a bigger baggie would hold more air and moisture.
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Posted 09 July 2021 - 06:39 AM

Thanks for the help guys!

 

Here are those same mushrooms. Now the caps have turned completely grey and they definitely stopped growing. The 2 that now have grey caps were originally the first pins, and much bigger than the rest, so definitely stunted. Aside from not misting the mushrooms themselves anymore (I learn something new every day haha), what should I do with those? Should I pick them and dry them, pick them and toss them, leave 'em for a while? 

 

I posted a pick of the bag setup I have too, I'll definitely get a bigger bag today, I think some of those bigger mushrooms might start pushing against it in a day or so if I don't anyway!

 

Thanks again!

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Posted 09 July 2021 - 08:33 AM

Take a syringe and water the sides of the glass away from any pins/mush. Wait 20 mins to a few hours then invert and pour out excess water.


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Posted 09 July 2021 - 11:04 AM

Thanks for the tip! What should I do with the stunted fruit?



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Posted 09 July 2021 - 02:29 PM

The ones in that picture look fine to me but you mentioned grey caps?. Wait until the caps start to open and pick them. Sometimes they will grow with that white coating like appearance but as they get bigger it goes away


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Posted 09 July 2021 - 02:50 PM

That one with the fluffy coating on the cap (the small one on the left) started out the same color as the others, and the biggest one in the jar, now the other ones outgrew it and its cap turned from golden brown to whitish grey. There's another similar one on the other side of the jar, but it's cap is pointing down so it's not easy to see. 



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Posted 09 July 2021 - 09:19 PM

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That one with the fluffy coating on the cap (the small one on the left) started out the same color as the others, and the biggest one in the jar, now the other ones outgrew it and its cap turned from golden brown to whitish grey. There's another similar one on the other side of the jar, but it's cap is pointing down so it's not easy to see. 

I would say that i have seen situations where two mushrooms growing out of the same spot can compete, one starts out bigger but the other has the better root position and as it grows it can off sett the other slightly unrooting, it actually looks like the one on the right may have broken?

 

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Did they stop growing all together?


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Posted 10 July 2021 - 04:59 AM

I believe they stopped growing all together. I think what your saying makes sense. The one on the left actually has a mushroom pushing up on its root position from below, you can see it a bit directly above the stem if you look close.  Some of the mushrooms I'm seeing hardly have a root position at all, they are growing from a single strand of mycelium attached to the glass itself (the strand is coming out of the cake and touching the glass, and then forming a mushroom from that fragile point.) I was worried they might be more fragile/less healthy.

 

(P.S. I just harvested my first 2 mushrooms ever! 17g wet. They are in the dehydrator now on 140!)


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Posted 11 July 2021 - 08:06 PM

I believe they stopped growing all together. I think what your saying makes sense. The one on the left actually has a mushroom pushing up on its root position from below, you can see it a bit directly above the stem if you look close.  Some of the mushrooms I'm seeing hardly have a root position at all, they are growing from a single strand of mycelium attached to the glass itself (the strand is coming out of the cake and touching the glass, and then forming a mushroom from that fragile point.) I was worried they might be more fragile/less healthy.

 

(P.S. I just harvested my first 2 mushrooms ever! 17g wet. They are in the dehydrator now on 140!)

NICE!

 

I run my dehydrator at about 104 but it takes a a while, there is much debate on that front but at the end of the day there are two types of active ingredients at play her psilocin and psilocybin.

 

The psilocin is actually lost no matter what temperature you dry at, what my understanding is the only way to get that is to wash them and eat them fresh. 

 

The psilocybin breaks down over time, in the presence of oxygen and when exposed to direct sunlight.

 

If your going to grind your mushrooms (I like this method cuts down on nausea) and put into pills do that just before taking and keep your mushrooms whole when stored in a dark dry place. Really only need to get anal if your worried about long term storage.

 

this is the knowledge I am working from anyways, by no means gospel but this is how I understand it.


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Posted 12 July 2021 - 06:36 AM

Thanks for the advice! It took about 6-8 hours to get cracker dry on 140. I vacuum sealed them (with the ones I harvested the next day too). I wonder why the grinding helps with nausea, is the flavor an issue?


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Posted 13 July 2021 - 06:11 PM

Thanks for the advice! It took about 6-8 hours to get cracker dry on 140. I vacuum sealed them (with the ones I harvested the next day too). I wonder why the grinding helps with nausea, is the flavor an issue?

I think for me it also all gets to the stomach and is absorbed all at once where as if you munch down whole it takes longer to break down allowing more time for the nausea part to set in. The body essentially treats them as slightly toxic to my understanding which is why it causes nausa so the faster you can get it into and absorbed the less time the body has to react and try to expel. 

 

Again just my two cents others may have different views. 


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Posted 13 July 2021 - 07:38 PM

That's good to know! I don't have any real experience so any tips like that definitely help!


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Posted 13 July 2021 - 09:41 PM

That's good to know! I don't have any real experience so any tips like that definitely help!

back in the day we used to parachute them which was crushing and wraping in a tissue and swallowing.

 

that was before i had a coffee grinder and gel caps. 


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