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[August West]

The last couple years feel a little like "the next act" in the epic lurch for control that the events surrounding September 11th, 2001 engendered. 

 

I typically decline to discuss "9/11" when it's brought up, rarely as it is anymore (aside from the whoring of it this last week). How, after several years of heady research and several more years of more passive information consumption on the subject, does one even begin to have a conversation with a "normie" about it? I've encountered people in the last several years, on occasion, that are still unaware three building fell. 

 

I couldn't find the youtube link from his own site, as it's likely been removed. More and more one will have to look to the ongoing creation of new sites built to beat the bans. But I still find Corbett to have produced the best, most pithy description of the accepted version of the events of 9/11/2001...and youtube's can embed here so...

 

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[TVCasualty]

It's nice to see that "Building 7" is trending on social media. A lot of people are pointing out all the awkward details surrounding it. Some are posting clips of the BBC news report describing it's collapse ~20 minutes before it actually went down, which is a detail that I vividly remember from that day.

 

That might have been the tipping-point/WTF moment when I first started thinking "hey wait a minute, something isn't adding up here..." about it all. It only occurred to me later that the main towers collapsing into their own footprints at free-fall speed through a forest of fully-intact (below the impacts) concrete and steel vertical support columns didn't make any sense (because physics). For one building to do that is vanishingly unlikely. For two to do it is an insult to the public's intelligence even though most of the public seems to have bought it anyway.

 

They even have a meme:

 

Edited by TVCasualty, 11 September 2021 - 07:53 AM.

[Juthro]

I'm not a religious man, but I will bow my head today for all those unsuspecting souls that gave their lives that day.   I still remember where I was, and exactly what I was doing when the towers fell.  I assume many of you do as well.  It was a moment that tended to burn deep into most people.

 

With that said, I was unaware of any formal scheduled celebrations going on in my area tonight, but it sounds like a war zone outside.

 

It doesn't feel like a calibration of life this year, it feels more like a prelude.

[Severian]

"how?" 

 

You don't. 

 

Best is to grab them by both shoulders, shake them violently while screaming 'AHHHHHHHHH!" thus allowing yourself a much needed outlet for the inner frustration of the 'how in the world are you unable to see what's clearly right in front of you' type

 

Or, to do so mentally at least.

Edited by Severian, 12 September 2021 - 11:24 AM.

[bezevo]

i watched Air Force One with W and it's escorts circling in low  for a landing in Omaha on 9-11.

[Juthro]

I was home for a two week break from commercial fishing, and still on my 12hr night schedule (my shift on the boat) I was just getting ready to go to bed.  My wife was just getting up for her day job as a teacher, and came in to tell me the news she heard on her clock radio...

 

From there we watched it unfold on tv, until she had to get to class.  My vacation was almost up, and flight closures extended my vacation.  By about a week IIRC.

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Ah damn that video confusing my brain, I have somehow tried to Sweden this one and stay fairly ignorant, and therefore neutral. Saying something like this.

 

Regardless of who was behind 9/11 we can mostly all agree that the shit show that came after it sure seemed to be planned in advance. The hawks were perched and ready, waiting for an opportunity to strike

 

Or maybe its wilful ignorance I don't know, the one thing I cant shake off is that if the conspiracy is not as dire as it seems, how misguided it is for all the poor souls seeking some closure on the death of their loved ones. Not that it somehow makes it any better if it was just Bin Laden and a bunch of Saudis, but the never ending mystery is the hard part.

 

The fact that the truth was either buried or not as deep as we like to think is depressing

 

What you see on the news surrounding Afghanistan, to watch it all come full circle twenty years later. With the reasoning of why we were even there in the first place largely faded from view, and a legacy in Iraq mostly forgotten. The repeated mistakes of instilling regime change in Syria, Libya, Yemen ect....continuing up to this day you wonder whats the point.

 

The truths about Vietnam took forty years to truly be acknowledged, and that fact did little to change public awareness

 

I am not even sure what I am saying, other than its an extremely frustrating subject

[August West]

Ah damn that video confusing my brain, I have somehow tried to Sweden this one and stay fairly ignorant, and therefore neutral. Saying something like this.

I don't remember where I read or heard this, regarding the JFK assassination but it also applies to 9/11/2001 (btw, 9/11 has been an interesting date more than once regarding global affairs):

"There are two kinds of people regarding the JFK assassination (or 9/11)...those who believe the official story and those who have studied the evidence."

I have spent, most likely, an unfortunate amount of time in the weeds of 9/11/01 over the last two decades. It's a fascinating study on the movements of the security state, spycraft, foreign policy, drugs, arms dealing, etc. I've mostly stayed away from the thermite, holograms, missiles, mini-nukes, etc discussions concerning the penultimate day. Though some of them may be compelling, there is more than enough solid information/journalism available, that there is no reason to go into that deep of speculation. This includes things, like "the government did it" - they're just distractions. The "truth" is likely not obtainable, but the lies certainly are.

Hit me up if you have any interest in wasting your time on interesting subjects ;)

[pharmer]

It would be so much easier to buy the official story if the FBI EVER let people, all the people have a look at the evidence. There's a fairly predictable pattern on BIG EVENT days - the FBI swoops in, hoovers' everything up, locks it down, and then makes it harder than getting to Pluto to see the evidence. Then the disinformation machine kicks into well rehersed gear and starts denying, delaying, dissembling, disinforming, and every other kind of distraction making tool until the air is so full of brown stuff the truth can only be seen with the greatest of effort, and maybe not even then.

 

See what I did there with the hoover analogy ?  :)

Edited by pharmer, 13 September 2021 - 07:06 PM.

[Juthro]

 

See what I did there with the hoover analogy ?  :)

 

Well played, sir :)

[thafunkyone]

I like conspiracy theories purely for entertainment....it amazes me how deep people are in the genre as a whole: Not everything is a conspiracy theory. Lots of things are based on facts that are easily obtainable. It drives me crazy when I go on Reddit and nothing is real. 

 

This is the one I believe. 

 

I can't say I know anything for certain, but I do know there are some crazy facts that go along with 9/11...finding passports on the ground? So many rich folks were off that day, including the owner of the building? All of the schooling the gentlemen participated in here? I could go on and on....

 

IDK that we'll ever know the truth until the perpetrators are long dead and gone, if we ever find out then. But there are so many holes in 9/11 it's truly hard to believe ANY version. 

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

 

Ah damn that video confusing my brain, I have somehow tried to Sweden this one and stay fairly ignorant, and therefore neutral. Saying something like this.

I don't remember where I read or heard this, regarding the JFK assassination but it also applies to 9/11/2001 (btw, 9/11 has been an interesting date more than once regarding global affairs):

"There are two kinds of people regarding the JFK assassination (or 9/11)...those who believe the official story and those who have studied the evidence."

I have spent, most likely, an unfortunate amount of time in the weeds of 9/11/01 over the last two decades. It's a fascinating study on the movements of the security state, spycraft, foreign policy, drugs, arms dealing, etc. I've mostly stayed away from the thermite, holograms, missiles, mini-nukes, etc discussions concerning the penultimate day. Though some of them may be compelling, there is more than enough solid information/journalism available, that there is no reason to go into that deep of speculation. This includes things, like "the government did it" - they're just distractions. The "truth" is likely not obtainable, but the lies certainly are.

Hit me up if you have any interest in wasting your time on interesting subjects ;)

 

It really is the frustrating part about the whole conspiracy thing. People focus on ridiculous shit like Jewish space lasers because the real compelling parts takes actual work to try to understand. Not a simple sound bite that a person can spread like wildfire. To be honest it is stuff like the missiles that have kept me away from it. You literally have hundreds of eye witness saying they watched a plane fly into the pentagon and that is not good enough. They are all crisis actor shills, come on

 

9/11 is a great example of the great distraction in that sense, little to no discussion around the decade that followed it in the main stream. The amount of outrage there is plain to see and in no way conspiratorial but for the most part it goes on ignored. A massive data leak revealing that the Iraq war was a joke and what did we focus on, the fact that Chelise Manning was a traitor. That became the focus after one of the greatest lies of that decade was revealed.

 

I guess that is where the word conspiracy does what it was designed for, to distract from the actual bullshit happening right in front of our eyes.

 

What would you recommend a guy to watch for a 9/11 doc if you had to pick one or two?

 

 

It would be so much easier to buy the official story if the FBI EVER let people

 

This is a very interesting point on more than a few of these conspiracy theories. I have no idea what the hell went on with that OKC bombing but the FBI involvement only seemed to muddy the waters. Not to mention the recent involvement of the FBI in that plot to kidnap the governor mess. It makes me often wonder if what we are witnessing looks like a grand cover up. When actually it is just the FBI covering their ass, hiding any minuscule or major involvement that they may have had. Leaving huge head scratches for those who notice inconsistency

Edited by FLASHINGROOSTER, 14 September 2021 - 03:29 PM.

[August West]

What would you recommend a guy to watch for a 9/11 doc if you had to pick one or two?

 

First off, if you're only going to consume one thing on OKC, it should be Free Mind Films', A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995 (this second link is not from the film makers and will likely disappear at some point). Scott Horton of The Libertarian Institute and Antiwar.com probably has the best database of OKC interviews and writings but for a one-stop, I recommend the aforementioned.

 

Regards to 9/11/01, I haven't actually seen a lot of documentaries. It's nearly impossible to produce a documentary of value that doesn't simply focus on one aspect.

 

I've done quite a bit of reading (often from the sources provided from what I've listened to or watched) and a whole lot more listening for most of my information.

 

Michael Ruppert's, "Crossing the Rubicon" was an early entry for me.

 

Daniel Hopsicker's, Welcome To Terrorland: Mohammed Atta & The 9/11 Coverup in Florida is a great one to learn about the fuckery around the security state connected flight school where the alleged pilots learned to fly. It also lays serious doubt on the "fundamentalist Muslims" storyline (important aspect of the official narrative) as it describes their use of cocaine and strippers. Hopsicker's journalism, though requiring some getting used to, has been quite good on 9/11 - though he and I certainly depart on some issues. His overall work on the drugs and arms trade is well worth the visit if that's your thing. His docs and website aren't the most polished, to say the least, but the info is sound and he has several worth the time (I also recommend The Secret Heartbeat of America about the CIA and drugs and In Search of American Drug Lords about, well, the CIA and the mob).

 

I honestly can't even think of another documentary to recommend. The 9/11/01 whistleblower, Richard Andrew Grove's, 9/11 Synchronicity "podcast" blew my mind when I first heard it. That was around '06 so a lot of info has come to light since then. Much of that info has also come through his subsequent work at the Peace Revolution Podcast. If deep, forensic history is your thing, I can't recommend his work enough (9/11 itself is an infanitesimal portion of his output which is currently under the Grand Theft World podcast).

 

James Corbett has good 9/11 work though his stuff is getting harder to find online. I would just type "9/11" into his search bar. If you want some pretty easy watching, his 9/11 Suspects documentary is good. It's just over an hour.

 

Tom Secker's series (I'd also pop "9/11" into his search bar), An Alternative History of Al Qaeda is outstanding. Among other things, it destroys the narrative that western intelligence couldn't have foreseen 9/11/01 happening. Either because it was a novel idea or that they couldn't infiltrate the group. There was plenty of intelligence inside Al Qaeda. These things though not very sexy are integral to the official narrative. If you remove the narrative foundation, what's left?

 

In fact, as I'm writing this, if you only listen to one podcast from Secker's series, listen to Episode 114 on Ali Mohamed (there aren't 114 episodes in that series btw. He has other content) and then get back to me with your thoughts on the "official story".

 

Christ, that's enough. If you're interested, you'll pursue it. Have fun. 

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

I think I did watch that noble lie one from Corbett it was what got me into that OKC story. I don't mind his stuff at all he seems to place inconsistencies together well. I will check out some of the other suggestions thanks, it might be high time to finally have a peek into "the big one"

[August West]

A Noble Lie isn't a Corbett production (though he has plenty of OKC stuff). It was done by a group of guys from OKC. They also went on to do a couple other interesting things. 

[FLASHINGROOSTER]

Now you got me wondering if I did watch it, guess I better have a peek. I did watch that 9/11 suspects video from Corbett last and it definitely got my feet wet. Plenty of non conspiratorial but appear to be shady as hell things going on there. I didn't realize that there was that much controversy surrounding the EPA and the toxicity levels after the attack. Never knew about that Mossad spy ring they uncovered as well. The lies surrounding America's mayor, and after watching his recent activities with Trump I am more inclined to believe the scumbag narrative.

 

I also thought most of the controversy surrounding the warren commission was on disagreements of physics but it appears to be way worse than that. The fact that they started out with Henry Kissinger sure raises some eyebrows, to the point that it did almost feel like a balk or sacrifice play. How can you question the new leader? we got rid of that last corrupt one should be all good now . The part about that Zeliko having the report ready before they even started the investigation speaks volumes. 

 

The one part I was a little skeptical of was the bit about the CIA guy "admitting" to knowing an investor that claimed to be aware of the attacks felt like a bit of a troll to me. I would like to watch that video in its entirety. I noticed they cut to the very end where he could have easily become annoyed with the interview, there is a bit of a smirk there and its hard to tell what its for. It could be he decided to let some info slip or it could be him fucking with those guys. Its very difficult to discern motivation for any intelligence agent, especially a career man. Even though they are out of the agency those guys are still active in the field.

[riseabovethought]

I notice NIST is still in business and hasnt yet been run out of town.  They came to survey the collapse in FL and I was laughing my ass off that anyone cares wtf they say.  Fucking sell outs have no credibility at all.  Why havent they changed their name yet?  I guess they dont realize how full of shit they are, and that they have zero credibility now.  How can they even be still operating?  Its unfathomable.

[pharmer]

Name one agency that has been run out of town or in any way diminished regardless of their incompetence or dark malfeasance.

 

Go ahead, take as many minutes as you need............

[Arathu]

20 year war(s) based upon on emotions...........lacking even a fundamental understanding of material sciences, structural engineering, and yes......PHYSICS......

 

John/Jane/IT Q Public is a fucking imbecile (mostly innocent and yet not so much)........but he/she/they has a "smart" phone now........

 

Steel is NOT, cannot be, reduced to dust in a "collapse" and conservation of MASS and ENERGY are demonstrable fundamental LAWS........

 

WE should start there (but I/you will immediately be DISCREDITED for going there).......

 

WHAT HAPPENED has not been determined and thus all of the following actions are quite possibly criminal....IMHO

 

Belief is very dangerous......FAITH even worse.......

 

Hail Odin!

 

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[pharmer]

Your friends, people who mean you well, do not lie to you or keep vital information from you

 

So, who's doling out the information? Friends?