Edited by Severian, 20 September 2021 - 01:35 PM.
Huang Ti, the yellow emperor, puts on a science hat
Posted 20 September 2021 - 12:51 PM
Posted 20 September 2021 - 03:37 PM
We all start out operating on assumptions, that we get as children from various sources, after awhile it seems many solidify into beliefs. Without them we could not function. Perhaps the case (or few cases) of the blind (from birth) who have biologic vision restored, but are unable to see, and only experience confusion, are an example, of the multiple levels on which the brain operates, many of which we have no access to.
According to some teachers of meditation, the pivotal error of assumption we tend to make is about the nature of 'the self'. The claim is that the errors we make in this area, are of more consequence than any others, because these errors lead to suffering, and underlie how everything else is experienced.
As regards health and medicine, when I encountered the work of Herbert M. Shelton, and learned about fasting, in the 1970's, my views, like your own as regards mainstream medicine changed. And I experimented with fasting and diet. But my life has lead down convoluted and contradictory paths. So I don't presume to be an example, although I continue to work with what I learn from those who are closer to nature.
As regards knowing what might theoretically improve the human condition, 2 metaphors come to my mind, (as wiki says):
1) "Belling the Cat" is a fable also known under the titles "The Bell and the Cat" and "The Mice in Council". Although often attributed to Aesop,"....
" The story is used to teach the wisdom of evaluating a plan on not only how desirable the outcome would be but also how it can be executed. It provides a ... lesson about the fundamental difference between ideas and their feasibility, and how this affects the value of a given plan"
2) "Cassandra or Kassandra .. was a Trojan priestess of Apollo in Greek mythology cursed to utter true prophecies, but never to be believed. In modern usage her name is employed as a rhetorical device to indicate someone whose accurate prophecies are not believed."
So I guess my general attitude is more that of a Taoist, than that of reformer, political type, or truth bearer. It seems I confine my efforts at control, to personal creative projects. And trust the world will continue on its way, after me, just as it did before me.
Posted 20 September 2021 - 04:28 PM
What I'm advocating for is a radical shift in values for everyone who cares even the slightest about the environment we're a part of
Instead of "More" simply for mores sake; which is the mindset behind our science and technology today, lacking as it does, any heart or compassion
we perhaps decide 'You know, I don't actually need.....wireless headphones.....a self driving car..... whatever.....
To evaluate our needs and desires on how they affect not just ourselves.
Wild idea, i know.
When is enough enough? And, why are we in such a rush to 'develop'?
Science is not the problem; Technology is not the problem; but both our 'Science' and 'Technology' are based on a totally-rational, intellectual mentality that has no consideration for the effect of its actions might have besides the bottom line. And, are dead set on steamrolling ahead, as if there's a race to develop smaller microchips and faster processors....
WE can be the brakes on this out of control train; merely by being unwilling to buy into whatever 'new' gadget is being offered to us in a flashy package (if we determine that the unseen costs aren't worth it.)
If there's no market for it; 'it' in this case being anything developed without a firm conscious-morality cost-benefit analysis behind it; then things would change very very quickly.
I realize that change is painful, and doesnt come without sacrifice; and i also realize that 'feasible' in the sense of many people actually considering things from this point of view is unlikely- But fuck; to just say 'well, things are going to go the way their going to go; I'm personally not going to do anything about it because, well, it probably wont help..."
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Posted 21 September 2021 - 01:52 PM
Seems you are concerned with how 'things' should be.
I don't think there is a debate among sensitive & intelligent people,
of moderate means, that corporate capitalism, which the USA pioneered,
(and which seems to have spread to most of the world), is an inhumane and short sighted system,
of both finance, government, and social structure.
Part of this type of capitalism is that corporations were given the rights of individuals, in the US,
which makes it worse than 'ordinary' capitalism. The bankruptcy laws later made it even worse still,
and there are probably a few other defining factors.
Its such a mess, that in the '60s the slogan was "tune in & drop out", and indeed time has shown it to be unfixable from within.
Often my interest is in why things are the way they are,
and not accepting, what appear to be the first or current answers.
But to work backwards...
So I read some anthropology,
From which I learned about stages of the process, in different human groups, as hierarchy developed.
It was interesting to me at the time,
So I then got this book, of which I have read just a little so far:
Posted 22 September 2021 - 09:43 AM
Another way that the Scientific system is the same as monotheistic christianity
An external morality dictated by expert authority figures who tell us what we should and should not do:
"Thou Shalt Nots".... THIS is Healthy. THAT is not. ; which is an absolutist mindsset which ignores and denies the uniqueness inherent in each circumstance and individual.
I also realize that I've painted a pretty one sided picture with my argument so far; being that 'Science' (and it's ''purely rational'' mindset) is the topic of conversation;
But a knee-jerk response in the opposite direction is NOT at all the solution I'm pointing at
We have, unfortunately plenty of examples of "My mind is so open my brain is falling out- It's all love and light- blissed out new agers'
No, actually Love is not all we need.
But then again, as I think I expressed quite clearly; Intellect is also not all we need. And the dominant system we're all tied to is a clear example of what happens when all conceptions of progress are driven by an intellect severed from any connections to the heart.