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#21 HrVanker

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 03:26 PM

The best I ever had was what I bought on Phish lot. Shame I never got the guy's info. But within 20min of dropping about 1.5hits I was seeing full on tracers. 90min in, the sky was covered in patterns that alternated from paisley to Persian rug styles, pulsing with light.

I've had some that was close since, particularly a batch of JoR that was in "micro-diamond" form, and tabs from an empatho gene character. But yeah, it can definitely be hit or miss.
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Posted 24 November 2021 - 04:25 PM

Had a guy gift me 5 tiny blue gel diamonds, or tiny faceted gel hits. Not technically diamonds, and it was some of the best I have had in years. Loved it. I intend to try that ALD-52 acid conversion with cooking sherry next time I trip. I had intended it for today, but this holiday weekend for sure I think. I am by no means saying there is not good acid around. Somehow it just isn't the same experience it used to be, especially visuals wise.


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#23 HrVanker

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 04:50 PM

I also came into some gels, but haven't tried them. The dude used to do pyramids/diamonds, but switched to flat squares at some point. I hear they are pretty good.

The "micro-diamonds" are like, half the size of a tic-tac and shaped sort of like a viagra. The main thing I don't like about them is that there is some lite "grape" flavoring, but other than that they just taste like chalky binder, no bitterness or anything. Had some good trips on them myself, but had a dude freak out during set break after I warned him not to take two.

Like many, I'm sure, I would love the opportunity to experience professional lab grade, professional lab tested L at a verified 100ug dosage to which I can compare my other experiences. Because even using taste and Ehrlich, there really is no way to know the dosages we've done, or even what the chemical was.
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Posted 24 November 2021 - 05:44 PM

I'm no chemist, but technically should have a minor. (failed basic chem but passed graduate level...stupid system)

 

Even if the precursor chemicals are different it's the same end product.

Now if they were dosing the stuff back in the day @ 100ug with 100% purity. If you only come across 25ug it's not going to be the same till you take 4-6 hits...

 

https://drugsdata.or...substance&s=LSD

Unless back in the day you were getting DOB/DOM or something...


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Posted 24 November 2021 - 05:49 PM

I've heard that stereo racemate (I think that's the term) mix in MDMA can impact its effects. And that saffrole delivers the preferred mix. If that is the case I wonder if L could have a similar thing going on.

But then again, I've seen claviceps cultures around, and if that's still a legit source, and virtually the same procedures are followed, it should be the same product. Then as @rockyfungus says, dosage/purity may be the biggest factor.
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#26 rockyfungus

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 06:39 PM

IIRC if they are selecting for MDMA it will be the correct racemic mixture. Should not have an effect. Yes certain drugs work better with certain chirality. "Right vs left handed".
If it's MDMA or MDA it's going to be selected for in the chemical process. Or they end up with meth?
End product is still MDMA.

 

Essentially with different precursors they may need more steps or more energy to get the same outcome.

 

Simplified, let's say I want to make oxygen. O2.
Let's say you have Water. If you boil it you will release hydrogen and oxygen.

H2O →H2 and O2

Or. If I take hydrogen peroxide and use platinum to catalyze I can cleave off the extra Oxygen from the peroxide and form water and oxygen.

H2O2→H2O+O2

Chemistry is math and chemicals...Tons of ways to skin the same problem

1+1=2

4-3=2

2(1)=2

8/4=2

now sub in molecules, atoms, physics, compounds, bonds, etc.


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Posted 24 November 2021 - 07:31 PM

IIRC if they are selecting for MDMA it will be the correct racemic mixture. Should not have an effect. Yes certain drugs work better with certain chirality. "Right vs left handed".
If it's MDMA or MDA it's going to be selected for in the chemical process. Or they end up with meth?
End product is still MDMA.

 

 

 

 

4-3=2

 

IDK about trying Rocky's MDMA with those math skills.  :tongue:


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#28 rockyfungus

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Posted 24 November 2021 - 09:05 PM

Testing to see if you guys know algebra.  :dry:

Love how people rub their eyes to induce visuals. Nah your mechanically stimulating your retina to release phosphenes. 

People are strange. Some only want namebrand meds.


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Posted 26 November 2021 - 02:26 PM

The dosage thing makes sense to me. I think my fear from taking four or so tabs of acid has come from older folk saying what a nightmare it was to do. With mushrooms your probably only peak for two or three hours of the trip but the 6-12 hours of solid high that can come with acid feels daunting at the top end. So I really have not done more than 2 tabs in a 24hr period.

 

Sounds like I got a science experiment to conduct.


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#30 HrVanker

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 02:41 PM

The dosage thing makes sense to me. I think my fear from taking four or so tabs of acid has come from older folk saying what a nightmare it was to do. With mushrooms your probably only peak for two or three hours of the trip but the 6-12 hours of solid high that can come with acid feels daunting at the top end. So I really have not done more than 2 tabs in a 24hr period.

Sounds like I got a science experiment to conduct.

I think 4 tabs is my highest dose, and the 4th was taken an hour after the first 3. Was definitely a pretty crazy trip, but mostly fun. I had forgotten it was my mom's birthday (haven't forgotten since lol), and had to walk just over a mile to my sister's house. It was Jan, just after an ice storm but starting to warm up. So there was lots of fog hanging over the partially frozen lake, melting snow and ice, etc. Definitely made for some great visuals... One stretch of sidewalk had this cool zigzag pattern created by water crisscrossing the pavement as it ran down hill, which made me feel like I was walking on a dragons back... truly sublime. Then I had to "play it cool" during a family dinner, so I just said nothing the entire meal . Of course my sister already knew, and I'm sure she told our mom, not to mention my blown out pupils. Lol

What was your experience w/ 2 tabs spaced so far apart (I'm assuming it was more than a couple hours)? IME, tolerance kicks in by the time I'm actually tripping, and more tabs will mostly prolong the trip more than increasing the intensity.
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#31 FLASHINGROOSTER

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 02:53 PM

I found a nice sweet spot at half a tab or so with the current batch. The point with it being I get high enough where you get visualizations and good feelings but can still focus and concentrate on just about any task if you so desire. Once I start to go past the 1 tab range normal activities drop to a crawl.

 

So in that instance where I did two tabs over an extended period the goal was to essentially make a super long not so intense trip. I took one tab early in the morning. And then another by late afternoon when effects started to fade, the visuals might not recover back to full strength but the overall feeling of well being remains. I think the morning aspect is key to this operation as personally I feel lack of sleep is going to be the greatest factor in how you feel when the trip is all said and done. Better to start early rather than late, the second dose at midnight to prolong the current feeling, those never seem to be as effective or worth while in my opinion. I think the brain is exhausted at that point and needs sleep. Although that fact doesn't seem to make much difference when a guy is flying and feeling fine in the moment


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#32 HrVanker

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 03:19 PM

Sleep is definitely a big factor for tripping well. And sometimes exhaustion seems to contribute to some prolonged difficulties. There is a good write-up and Amazon book by a guy who had a 6mo psychosis after staying up all night and dropping w/ a buddy. Other stress factors were certainly involved, and there could be other explanations, but I'd rather be well rested just in case.

I also feel that food can be a big factor in negative trips. When I look back to trips that were kind of blah or became tiresome towards the end, it feels like blood sugar may have played a role. Tripping does take a lot of brain power, so having some easy to eat food is a good idea. I love the idea of having some juicy melon, pineapple, mango, etc. on hand for this.

I've never been one to want to do stuff (at least stuff that requires real thinking) while tripping, so I find your paradigm interesting. Though the older I get, the more I think about having to take the dog out during a trip, and whether I want to interact w/ my neighbors while I'm high as balls just trying to get the dog to do his business, and then picking up after the dog while tripping, etc. Maybe I'll try a "75ug" dose soon and see how that goes.

Here's the link to the blog I mentioned if anyone is interested, I found it fascinating: https://www.stilldri...-episode-part-1

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Posted 26 November 2021 - 03:30 PM

If I had to guess that fellow would fall in the category of an underlying condition exacerbated by the psychedelics. As much as I love them and want everyone on earth to try them. For some folk tragically it can end up triggering underlying psychological conditions. It can happen with weed and schizophrenia too. Not to say weed will give you schizophrenia but if your family history encoded it in your dna then in some cases these drugs can activate it arguably sooner rather than later or at all. But yeah I totally agree that being well rested is a great idea.

 

Fruit is probably the best for trips, its not offensive to the mind and the sugary hydrated goodness seems to explode in your mouth. I do have some thoughts about eating too much sugar on the trips but have not really been able to quantify it in any meaningful way


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Posted 26 November 2021 - 06:18 PM

Last trip sour gummy worms were devoured.

I typically stick to safe stuff like fruits and veggies.

Acid is way too long. I prefer an intense 4-6 hour trip instead of a whole day affair




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