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#21 jkdeth

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Posted 14 January 2022 - 10:26 AM

It seems to me your aren't getting a nice even surface evaporation., a key pinning trigger. Hard to guess from a picture, but the sub looks overly dry, which is also a common source of mycelium bruising.
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Posted 14 January 2022 - 02:03 PM

It seems to me your aren't getting a nice even surface evaporation., a key pinning trigger. Hard to guess from a picture, but the sub looks overly dry, which is also a common source of mycelium bruising.

I'm not sure if you're referring to the PESA or Argentina pic I recently posted.

 

I use monotubs with 9/32" holes (rather than the traditional 1/4") drilled every two inches just above the sub line on the long sides and two 1" holes up high on each end. Today I covered half the holes on the long sides of both tubs and only have half of one large hole open on the ends. I cut way back on the fanning but continue to mist the tub only. Since the PESA seems to have started recovering overnight I put a towel over it to see if that encourages the mycelia to continue recovering.

 

The larger holes on the sides allow me to put 1/4" dowels across the sub for dunking and draining then remove for the next flush.



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Posted 14 January 2022 - 05:46 PM

What are you using as a substraight?

You should be having a canopy of very healthy mushrooms, not to say that you haven't experienced a successful grow. Obviously any mushroom production is a success.

I just feel that you could have more success from a first flush. Try giving straight coco coir as a bulk substraight a try. Eco earth is cheap and effective(1 gallon of boiled water per 1 block of coir in a bucket should do the trick)I really think you could get more production from your effort if you weren't messing around with pH adjustments.

Your shrooms and primordia look really sickly and the mycelium does not look aggressive and happy.

Either way you have experienced success so you are well on your way to full beautiful Canopies and 100% efficiency. Keep growing and learning from your mistakes and always push yourself. You will have more success.

I use manure based sub, a 2:1:1 mix of manure, verm, coir and the other usual additives, coffee grounds and gypsum.

I tried CVG once and wasn't impressed with the results. My problem with it is the lack of a source of nutrition for the mycelia besides the rye. There's nothing in the coir or verm for it to feed on. It's only function is to hold water and furnish a scaffold for the mycelia to grow on or in the case of manure to fluff it up.

This is the worse grow so far as to its appearance. I really don't know why its turned out this way. Either too much fanning or misting. I avoid misting the sub as much as possible but even that didn't help when the sub started bruising before it started fruiting.

I've got a tub of Argentina in FC growing concurrently with this one and so far it looks OK. attachicon.gifDSC01820 (Medium).JPG

I've been growing for over a year and a half so far and have learned so much from lots of resources. I've even come up with methods to help with cultivation. I've gotten pretty good at SAB work including agar, LC and several kinds of transfer methods but really suck when it comes to fruiting. Spawning and letting it colonize is no problem just fruiting.
I regularly used coco coir mixed with earthworm castings and would get Canopies out the front, back, top, and sides.

I could usually get 6 ozs from 3 qts of spawn per mycelium block.

If you ever get tired of mixing manure you could always give earth worm castings a try.

Either way I'm sure you'll get your process down packed.62ae63393768eaa56e38b379172a3c80.jpg

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Posted 14 January 2022 - 06:32 PM

DocOct: I've tried all kinds of grows before so I can always try this. What ratio and additives do you use for your sub and spawn to sub ratio? I had been using a 3:1 sub to spawn ration but backed off to 2:1 with the last three grows. I assume everything else stays pretty much the same after spawning. I found a relatively local source for the castings and they're in stock and it's organic. Thanks for your input and suggestions.

 

After putting the Amazon to sleep for the day, actually since last night, I checked it this evening and the mycelia recovery that started at the ends worked it's way across the middle of the sub. Maybe by tomorrow the whole surface will be back to normal. I've been thinking about putting a sheet of bubble wrap on it but haven't made up my mind.


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Posted 17 January 2022 - 09:48 AM

Would it help if I put a 1/4" casing layer of verm on top after this flush ends or put it on the areas that aren't fruiting? I did go ahead and put the bubble wrap on top and it seems to have helped some.

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 10:13 AM

Three Amazons and an Argentina from the current grows picked yesterday.

 

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So far the total for the second flush of the Amazon is 147.53g wet minus the cap from one that I'm taking a print from, that may add a few more grams to the yield. The Argentina is a little more pathetic coming in at 39.12g. I suspect the total flush from the Amazon won't be as big as the first flush. I went ahead a put a thin layer of verm on the bruised areas of the Amazon to see if that will help heal it.


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Posted 19 January 2022 - 01:51 PM

I do Coco/Verm patching all the time (doesn't require pasteurization) and works like a Charm.  I've never used straight Verm, might just work as well.

 

<edit>  I can't leave your thread without telling you that the surface level holes you are running are TOO big.  This is why your surface area is drying up like the Sahara (NO good for Pinning or Pinset).  Since you have already drilled out the holes, you could try doubling up on Micropore Tape for a slow evaporation of the Surface.  That much Air would KILL in a real Growth Chamber with a Humidifier.  

 

 

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Posted 19 January 2022 - 03:09 PM

Last year I tried a vermiculite-only casing for a few tubs cause I was running low on supplies. It was horrible, I would’ve been better off with no casing at all.
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Posted 19 January 2022 - 03:29 PM

I do Coco/Verm patching all the time (doesn't require pasteurization) and works like a Charm.  I've never used straight Verm, might just work as well.

 

<edit>  I can't leave your thread without telling you that the surface level holes you are running are TOO big.  This is why your surface area is drying up like the Sahara (NO good for Pinning or Pinset).  Since you have already drilled out the holes, you could try doubling up on Micropore Tape for a slow evaporation of the Surface.  That much Air would KILL in a real Growth Chamber with a Humidifier.  

 

 

MushL

I've already put electrical tape over half the sub line holes on both tubs and only have one of the upper holes on each end open. Probably need to go back to the poly fill during the winter, the humidity in the house is running around 27% right now but does go over 60 during the summer. I keep the tub sides and lid misted by going at it at least 3x a day but probably need to cut back on the fanning. Thanks for the comment!


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Posted 22 January 2022 - 12:11 AM

The second flush finished on the Amazon coming in at 212g wet, I gave it a good misting and covered with bubble wrap. The Argentina seemed to have stalled, the shrooms weren't growing at all and very slow on breaking the veils compared to the Amazon so I harvested everything and dunked it. First flush for that was 187g. Afterwards I fanned it for 3 minutes to dry the mycelia which came out nice and white then bubble wrapped it too. I'm gonna do a neglect tek for a few days on both and see how things go.


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