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[Ferretious]

These images floored me, so I had to share.

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Edited by Ferretious, 07 January 2022 - 01:01 AM.

[TVCasualty]

Wow, those are spectacular!

 

I'd feel like the Chosen One (by Mescalito) if I stumbled across either one of those incredible finds, and I'd try to camouflage them better before I left so no one else would find them since I would not harvest any peyote from the wild.

[Juthro]

All I've got to say that's truly amazing!!

 

I've only seen them in the wild in pictures, and that's not likely to change anytime soon, considering I live above 60* lattitude, lol

 

Beautiful pictures, thank you for sharing :)

[MushLuvR]

Wow, "These images floored me" you could say that again.  Beautiful find and I agree @TVCasualty... I would Never harvest wild Peyote since they are endangered from Over harvesting and it's just Respect IMHO.  There is a Proper way to harvest so they come back, but I wouldn't Dare to take that chance.  Anyway, Thank you for this find and Sharing.  I'll give up the Likes when I have them again.  

 

MushL

[Ferretious]

I certainly would not take from the wild. Well....I can't seeing as I don't live where they do grow naturally. However, speaking of has bought to mind the conundrum surrounding this plant and the religious connotations involved. The NAC believe the sacrament should be harvested from the wild, understandably so. Growing it artificially it does not contain the Earth Prescence. OK. However, these plants are very slow growing and rare! Hopefully in the future a compromise will be met. This sacrament can be grown, with full potential, in artificial circumstances. I have my one Lophophora Williamsii; it is old, and I would never cut a button of it! For this sacrament, I have San Pedro.  

[TVCasualty]

I certainly would not take from the wild. Well....I can't seeing as I don't live where they do grow naturally. However, speaking of has bought to mind the conundrum surrounding this plant and the religious connotations involved. The NAC believe the sacrament should be harvested from the wild, understandably so. Growing it artificially it does not contain the Earth Prescence. OK. However, these plants are very slow growing and rare! Hopefully in the future a compromise will be met. This sacrament can be grown, with full potential, in artificial circumstances. I have my one Lophophora Williamsii; it is old, and I would never cut a button of it! For this sacrament, I have San Pedro.  

 

IMO that's a troubling counter-productive belief that is wrong even in the context of accepting the basic premise of the existence of a spirit world and that entheogens can help them perceive, contact, or communicate with it.

 

It might become a self-limiting belief if over-harvesting eventually does render peyote extinct. That seems likely as global warming destabilizes the climate, which is probably not good news at all for any extremely slow-growing species even if over-harvesting wasn't an issue. The irony of destroying what we deem sacred via our devotion to it seems typically on-brand for humans so maybe we should reassess the concept of "sacred" or whatever is going on in situations like this.

 

By this standard our fungi grown in a plastic bin would not measure up as the real spiritual deal, either. LSD is off the list completely, too.

[Skywatcher]

The NAC believe the sacrament should be harvested from the wild, understandably so. Growing it artificially it does not contain the Earth Prescence.

I am spiritually oriented , and was introduced to peyote in a ceremonial setting in the late 70's. I continued my "spirit walks" afterward with a variety of container grown mescaline cactus.

There was no doubt (to me) of of the "presence" embodied in the cactus in my first experience, or in any of the others afterward.

So in my opinion, the NAC belief is simply not true.

Just my two cents...........

 

Thank you for sharing those awesomely beautiful pictures Ferretious !

[peregrinus]

wow those are gorgeous. I love how the second pic shows them retreating back into the substrate

[DocOct]

There is alot of NAC groups that do cultivation artificially its just the texas based groups by the rio grand that hold the superstitions, they have this "our culture our plant" attitude. They also have the tendancy to not harvest properly so non texas NAC members have to bring artificially grown plants to replenish wild populations that dont end up making it out alive. Its kind of a whole convoluted mess to be honest. To be fair though the occasional poor harvesting technique is nothing compare to what land development has done to wild populations.

Also alot of NAC member do use mushrooms ceremonialy most of them are mixed race members though. Mushrooms are really quite popular and gaining popularity. It just doesn't have the same healing potential as peyote. Good for the soul though.

Theres this big movment to legalize entheogens from the west in america but they are intentionally leaving out peyote since the regular folk dont deserve to have access to it(trust me thats the opinion at its most basic level its nothing more then "our culture our plant") which will further hinder home cultuvators from saving the species and be able to reintroduce specimen back into the wild to replenish native populations.

My opinion is that if the Rio grand bassed tribes really cared about the fucking plant they would cultivate it in anyway possable. But they dont so they dont. And other NAC members have to pick up the slack when possible.

Im pretty thankfull for every non native peyote cultivator, youre basically saving the species from true extinction.

The most popular opinion is that non natives should be using san pedro as an alternative to peyote, but so should the tribes in my opinion. They dont need to do peyote ceremonies every year all year which is what alot of them do. They should cultivate san pedro and use peyote once every five years in a more meaningfull ceremony.

So what im basically teying to say is, if the texas tribes would just cultivate the plant there wouldnt be a problem,..... but really they are to lazy. They want other people to do it for them just not non native people, and that shits racist. We need as many people growing peyote as possible even the non natives.

So keep doing your thing and let them whine. When the peyote is all gone no mater what the reason it is, they will blame you,... even if you have 100 peyote plants in you basment that you cultivated from seed.

I hope this doesnt offend anyone, this is just the rant of a mixed native american peyote cultivator who supposedly has inferior plants.

[pharmer]

Did you take these pics? or find them in a book?

 

If you took them I'd like to take a poke at them in Photoshop

[Skywatcher]

I hope this doesnt offend anyone, this is just the rant of a mixed native american peyote cultivator who supposedly has inferior plants.

Thank you for sharing that entire post Doc. You have echoed my personal feelings about the need for ongoing cultivation. What a tragedy it would be to allow this cactus to go extinct because of greed and apathy.

 

For me it was the teacher himself that lead me to need to grow these plants and share their seeds.....

[DocOct]

My personal opinion is that its one of the greatest plants out there, its a crime that people arent allowed to freely cultivate it in america like in other countries. My mind allways goes to thailand and the east block of the EU where the peyote is regarded as a beloved ornamental cactus. Most of these cultivators would never even think of consuming there plants.

Its pretty much hated here because "drugs bad" i definitely feel like the opinion is changing but we cant exclude peyote from home cultivation because it would be "insensitive" to tribal members. They not only should but they need to be fighting alongside non natives to protect this species of cactus.

[Ferretious]

Did you take these pics? or find them in a book?

 

If you took them I'd like to take a poke at them in Photoshop

No. These were found on the 'net. I thought them stunning enough to share.