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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:05 AM

Update 2.6.2023
 
Have made a ground breaking discovery, as have discovered an aldehyde way beyond acetaldehyde that results in a trip very similar to LSD when this aldehyde is added to the zero nausea morning glory LSA extract and spun on a stir mantel at high speed for 1 hour, then consume.
 
Have added just 3 drops of this pure aldehyde from chemical supplier to the 3g (105 seeds) morning glory wine extract, unbelievable experience, will post more once I have all the details written carefully. This is NOT LSC or LSH, way beyond.
 
3g seeds has .01mg LSA per each seed x 105 seeds = 1mg LSA extracted into 3 shots of wine + 3 drops of this aldehyde and spun at high speed on stir mantel for 1 hour = strong LSD like effects, very similar to actual LSD in every way.
 
This same aldehyde has exact same molecular weight as an amino pentane that Dr. Nichols discovered when coupled to lysergic acid resulted in the rats responding to it as if it were LSD, only its 1/10th the potency of LSD, but same general psychedelic effects as LSD. This aldehyde also looks almost exactly like the tail end of psilocin, mind blowing once you see the similarity. 1mg of this LSA + aldehyde compound formed in wine to remain stable has the potency of 100ug of acid in my estimation.
 
This new aldehyde joins with LSA to form a compound that is around 1/10th the potency of LSD in my trials, completely blown away, will post more in 6 months, this is a magical molecule.
 
The molecule can be formed in wine, which has natural ph of 4.0 which is needed to create the aldehyde adduct and keep it stable until it is consumed. It's boiling point or evaporation is 201 degrees F, below the boiling point of water at 212 degree F.
 
A book will be coming out end of summer on this new discovery. It relates directly to Eleusis in ancient Greece, as the ancients used an entire handful of this fresh herb high in this aldehyde added to the claviceps paspali ergot powdered into wine and stirred for some time, filtered thru cloth then consumed.
 
I will post details only after the book is released.
 
Claviceps paspali infects grass and grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous rarian plane. Claviceps paspali ergot which infects and grows on paspalum grass has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican Morning glory. LSA from the ergot + this new aldehyde adduct results in strong psychedelic effects very similar to LSD.
 
Most incredible zero nausea morning glory extract I've ever sampled twice already spaced 7 days apart wash out period, 1mg of this new LSA + aldehyde molecule formed in wine gave same general effects as 100ug LSD, same euphoria, stimulation, closed eye colored geometric visuals, music sounded great.

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:33 AM

Attached: 2022 paper on Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf (1,187,857 bytes) Attached File  Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf   1.13MB   50 downloads


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 08:28 AM

Just for clarification, this is not LSC which uses cinnamaldehyde or LSH which uses acetaldehyde.
 
This is not cinnamaldehyde, if you read the attached 2022 aldehydes paper above, you will find at the end of the paper that even though it was plausable that LSC was forming, LSC was found to have very weak effects, it's a hot mess due to it's very heavy molecular weight and has double the hydrogens and carbon groups of both the 3-aminopentane and aldehyde that has worked for me twice already. Cinnamaldehyde is way too large to fit into the receptor. I will say one last thing before the book is released at the end of the summer below:
 
From LSD and it's Lysergamide Cousins, Dr. Nichols, page 84: chap6.pdf (heffter.org)
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84.
 
This aldehyde discovery that works has FIVE carbon groups and 11 hydrogen just like 3-aminopentane which was found by Dr. Nichols to have activity very similar to LSD in the rat assays, as the rats reacted to it as if they had been given LSD. Anything beyond this, like cinnamaldehyde with a very high molecular weight has way too many carbons and hydrogens (almost double) and will result in weak effects.
 
We know from this paper that LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxethylamide does indeed reach the brain as it was found in the bloodstream and urine of two individuals who ingested the seeds, one fell backwards to his death from an apartment building, and his friend who watched it happen, both had bloodwork and urine tested by authorities:
 
Red22:
This paper states that "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.
 
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5
 
 
Example: Also, in the book "LSD my problem child", Albert Hoffman himself presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the morning glory seeds, he once again presents a molecular diagram of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods", and this illustration takes up an entire 1/2 page of the book.
 
Example: LSH has been shown to be active in humans at 1.6mg and above according to TIHKAL, with LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA. Dr. Glasser in the 1960's showed LSH showed significant activity in mice as well. They became active and even pressed on each other's noses.
 
LSD and it's Lysergamide cousins from Dr. Nichols, see page 84: Attached File  chap6 (2).pdf   263.06KB   24 downloads

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 09:53 AM

I wonder if an explorer combined a couple or the whole array of variants of these morning glory derivatives if the effect would be different, or better, or what? Would the sum be greater than the parts?


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Posted 09 February 2023 - 03:06 PM

The reaction between the LSA amide and the discovered aldehyde is a condensation reaction when spun for 1 hour at high speed on stir mantel with a tornado like vortex created, in each case of LSA + adduct condensation product I created, a small amount of acetic acid (vinegar) was added to solution to catalyze the condensations, the small amount of vinegar acts as a chemical catalyst, similar to this paper: https://pubs.acs.org...021/ja01335a085
 
The created condensation product will fall apart if added to plain water, as it will only remain stable in an acidic solution around ph=4, which is how it is consumed.

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 08:37 AM

In conclusion for now:
 
A little bit more on LSH or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide, one of the main actives of the seeds normally, as this relates to how the new aldehyde discovery works...the fresh seeds contain around 1/4 LSH and 3/4 LSA:
 
Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself, from 1998):
tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
 
LSD----------------------------------------CH2CH3-----CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C20 H25 N3 0)
LAE-32-----------------------------------------------H------CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 0)
d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide--------------H------CHOHCH3....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 02)
 
* LSH was found to form in the famous 1960's paper by Arcamone when LSA or Lysergic acid amide from claviceps paspali (this ergot grows and infects paspalum grass current day on the famous rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis in ancient Greece where the psychedelic kykeon secret formula was prepared by the priest and drunk by hundreds of initiates at one time every September for 2,000 years straight) was dunked into fermented liquor which contains the aldehyde acetaldehyde. This is recounted on page 1 and 2 in the attached 2022 LSA aldehydes paper attached on post #1.
 
Don't get claviceps paspali, which has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory seeds with claviceps purpurea which has black kernels, infects barley and is poisonous, and causes gangrene and limbs to fall off. Many people even mow over claviceps paspali ergot with their mower which infects paspalum grass in the states, and don't even realize it.
 
1) In the middle of the book "LSD, my problem child" by Dr. Hoffman, Dr. Hoffman presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the seeds. He once again presents a large scale molecular model of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods" and labels it as one of the main actives of the seeds. This model even takes up 1/2 page of the book. He shows it compared or side by side with a molecular model of LSD.   
 
2) LSH or d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL except it has one extra oxygen atom. In human experiments in TIHKAL, LAE-32 at 1.6mg resulted in LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA.
 
3) Dr Glasser in 1960's in a paper published in Nature showed that when LSH was injected into mice, the mice responded as if they had been given a substance similar to LSD, they became very active and even pressed on each other's noses.  Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4: https://www.nature.c...ticles/189313a0
 
4) LSH was given to a person in 2020 and a receptorome or radioligand chart was mapped showing what receptors in the brain it hits, with many similarities to the receptors LSD hits: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
 
When preparing LSH from LSA + acetaldehyde as given in instructions above using the discovered new aldehyde which I will disclose when book comes out, when using acetaldehyde you must remember that acetaldehyde evaporates off at room temp or right above 69 degrees F. So when spinning the solution in ph=4 wine high in acetaldehyde wine such as sherry (contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass) for 1 hour with a dash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction, the spinning must be done on an ice bath or in the fridge on a battery powered magnetic stirrer to keep the acetaldehyde from boiling off which happens at around 69 degree F.
 
Luckily, this newly discovered aldehyde when condensed or adducted onto LSA with effects very similar to actual LSD has a high boiling point right below the boiling point of water, and all this formation can be done at room temp.
 
When the ancients prepared this new aldehyde product with a handfull of the fresh herb high in this specific aldehyde mixed with the powdered claviceps paspali ergot in wine, they most likely also added a dash of vinegar or used wine which had been sitting out un-corked for a few days, as a portion of the wine will convert to vinegar if not sealed with an inert gas to prevent oxidation. This is actually good, as this is what they needed, wine with a tiny amount of vinegar.
 
When preparing the new potent condensation product from the discovered aldehyde + LSA which I will disclose at the end of summer, you must use a tiny splash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction as explained in attachment, where the researchers formed new condensation aldehyde products with acetamide + chosen different aldehyde.
 
By the way, acetamide in the paper looks identical to the amide group on LSA which we are using.
 
Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
 
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
 
Pic 2: Description of 3-aminopentane by Dr. Nichols and why it is important.
 
Pic 3: how acetamide + new aldehyde condensation product is formed. LSA or Lysergic acid amide in the seeds has an amide group just like acetamide.
 
Pic 4: LSH, LSA + other minor alkaloids profile in morning glory seeds from 2016 Polish mg study, claviceps paspali ergot infects paspalum grass, and color illustration of LSH from "LSD, my problem child". Note: HBWR contains very high levels of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, while mg seeds contain very low levels of ergometrine, which is why mg seeds should only be used. HBWR only has history of medicinal use while MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use.
 
Pic 5: Molecular model of LSD compared with LSH from morning glory seeds towards end of book "Plants of the gods" by Dr. Hoffman. Also see chapter on morning glory seeds.
 
p.s. magnetic stirrers are cheap and can be found at auction or *mazon for less than fifty dollars.
 
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Part II:
 
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
 
Easy steps, I've used this process over a dozen times in a year period, it works:
 
Pic 1: Drink this LSH enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancmenent, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD. 
 
This is most likely due to LSH hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible.
 
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
 
Pic 2: How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone.
 
Pic 3: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
 
Pic 4: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
 
Pic 5: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 3.5 to 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts. 
 
And also ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
 
Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving. 
 
Step 6: Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes, at this point you would add your discovered aldehyde 3 drops before shaking to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. But this will not be disclosed until end of summer. With the new aldehyde discovery I will disclose at end of summer, I spin the wine on magnetic stirrer with splash of vinegar at ambient room temp with 3 drops of the discovered aldehyde for 1 hour at very high speed to form the new molecule with effects very similar to actual LSD in every way.
 
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
 
Pic 6: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds.
 
Pic 7: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
 
Pic 8: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it. 
 
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine.
 
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic. 
 

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Posted 20 February 2023 - 09:40 AM

hedgehopper said:
Just tried this tek today with 450 seeds on an empty stomach and I didn't feel too much of an effect. Just slight euphoria and a good mood boost. Not really any nausea so that's good. I think I didn't grind the seeds fine enough and didn't decant enough of the orange liquid off. Will try again next week most likely. I am also going to try to put the orange liquid into a smoothie using my blender because it tasted so bad. Very artificial sweet flavor with the boozy aftertaste Maybe it was because of all the tartaric acid. i wasn't able to get any of the inert wine gas so I used a vacuum wine stopper and put the bottle of sherry into the coldest part of my fridge. Do you think that is enough to keep it from going bad for a week or 2? Very excited to try again!
 
The wine preservation gas from *mazon is around ten bucks and has enough gas to seal wine bottles for a months on end. Your wine should keep for 7 days without the gas. Congrats on zero nausea and your extract hedgehopper. Hedgehopper did you remember to add a tiny splash of vinegar to your jar once you decanted off the seed mush from the bottom? The acetic acid is a "chemical catalyst" necessary to propel the reaction o f LSA to LSH and LSA to mystery compound that is very psychedelic as well:
 
ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: Acetaldehyde in this case from the sherry wine onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst due to it's acetic acid, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
 
I love to prepare an extract using 15 grams (525 seeds) and drink this at the same time as taking some acid hits, adds incredible dimensions to the experience, only way I take acid is with this combination, way beyond normal LSD. You will not believe the euphoria and music enhancement, bold saturated colors, increased flowing visual power (not choppy), has many similarities to mescaline.
 
Try adding 2 drops of REAL PEPPERMINT OIL (not the extract in alcohol from the grocery store) along with the tiny splash of vinegar at the same time.
 
Once I have my orange morning glory liquid decanted from the seeds, what I do is spin it on an ice bath on a magnetic stirrer along with 2 teaspoons of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil, I also prepare a peppermint tea using 2 peppermint tea bags (not mint tea bags) that come in a keep fresh foil pack, order the peppermint drops and tea prepared from 2 peppermint tea from *mazon or you can find peppermint tea at your grocery store.
 
To make an ice bath: fill a bowl with ice cubes, pour your morning glory liquid into measuring cup or glass and place your cup in center of bowl surrounded by ice cubes, place a magnetic stirrer in glass and spin on magnetic stirrer at high speed for 1 hour, then consume. Make sure you added your splash of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil along with 4oz cup of peppermint tea. The cool temp keeps the acetaldehyde from evaporating off.
 
You can buy a magnetic stirrer for less than fifty dollars from *mazon or auction. If you don't have one, then just shake your jar full of morning glory liquid, 2 peppermint drops, and 2 peppermint tea prepared in 4 oz water, shake all ingredients in jar in your hand for around 2 minutes, always keep cold, store in fridge at all times with occasional shaking once per hour until you drink.
 
To make the peppermint tea: heat up 4oz water in microwave to around 150 to 175 degree F. DO NOT HEAT TO BOILING, or the special aldehyde in the tea will boil off or evaporate. Add 2 peppermint tea bags, let this cool down in fridge for a while, then add to your morning glory liquid.
 
Preparing the MG liquid this way will provide you with not only acetaldehyde (which boils off above 69 degree F, but also with the mystery aldehyde which I will disclose in book at end of summer). This mystery aldehyde is stable all the way to right below boiling point of water.
 
Kash:
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
 
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
 
I was the one that 2 decades ago told everyone to add peppermint oil drops and/or along with peppermint tea to their morning glory seed extract and it took off like wildfire, cause it works, just google the combination on the web and you will find hundreds of enhanced trip reports similar to the one above.
 
This thread is an example containing at least 3 bad ass reports if you bother to read the whole thread: https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=5733
 
I am not 69ron but he was a friend of mine, I have no idea what happened to him.
 
The main thing people forgot was to add a splash of vinegar for the acetic acid that catalyzes the reaction. It's difficult to correct people when when they don't follow the proper directions. 
 
DO NOT USE HBWR seeds, as an alkaloid will form that causes bronchial constriction from ergometrine + acetaldehyde, HBWR contain very high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, the amount of ergometrine in mg seeds however, is very low and trace amounts. MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use, whereas HBWR seeds only have history of medicinal use.
 
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Posted 09 March 2023 - 01:58 PM

1mg LSA + new aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

 

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Page 11 has the method with all pics: https://www.shroomer...age/2/fpart/11
 
Wanted to address two new recent very good threads on the shroomery, and archive my response here:
 
1) Ancient Eleusinian mystery brew kykeon (κυκεων) is Psilocybe serbica
 
Very good thread Blue_lux, keep up the great work! well done just keep in mind that the kykeon had to be able to feed several hundred people at once every Sept for 2,000 years. Mushrooms even though found 6 hours away are just not enough to feed 300 plus people all at one time, whereas the Homeric hymn mentions that the kykeon of ancient Greece (foundation for our democracy) was composed of ergot from grain, mint and water, what I propose is that claviceps paspali which grows adjacent to Eleusis even present day in the Rarian plane or field contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the mesoamerican morning glory, and when mint is added you get LSI, I have a book in fall coming out on this, all of page 11 describes this: https://www.shroomer...age/2/fpart/11
 
Even Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD said that claviceps paspali ergot which infects paspalum grass next to Eleuis could have likely been what was in the kykeon brew. The priest need only powder the ergot, add to water with lots of fresh mint leaf, stir, filter thru cloth and serve. Many people in the states mow over this infected grass and don't even realize it, here is a pic, I found it growing myself:
 
Page 2, post #27876221 (scroll to the middle) is a 5 page paper on claviceps paspali ergot likely being the kykeon, and why mushrooms could not have likely fed the hundreds of people all at once:
 
"Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved? by Ivan Valencic: "   
 
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2) LSA CWE with Decaffeinated Cold Brew Coffee?
 
What Logical Chaos proposes is actually not a bad idea, as fresh coffee grounds contain large amount of acetaldehyde. Flickabic actually used the coffee grinds method if you search the posts here. Just remember to keep the grounds cold when you grind as actetaldehyde evaporates off at above 69 degree F.
 
Page 11 last post describes how to form LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxethylamide from LSA + acetaldehyde found in sherry wine or coffee grounds using 1 to 2 teaspoons of vinegar (contains acetic acid).
 
Acetic acid is needed to catalyze the condensation of acetaldehyde onto LSA to form LSH, see study on post #28180455 (amide + aldehyde condensation reactions) where acetamide (very similar to our LSA amide) is shown forming new ALDEHYDE ADDUCT products with various aldehydes. This reaction will not work unless you include the vinegar, you can use plain vinegar or apple cider vinegar: https://www.shroomer...page/2/fpart/11
 
When I form LSH from LSA + acetaldehyde in the cold sherry wine, I pour my zero nausea morning glory extract extracted with 3 to 3.5 shots of sherry wine into a jar, add 2 teaspoons of vinegar, and stir on an ice bath for 1 hour, then consume, an ice bath can be formed by placing a bowl with ice cubes on your magnetic stirrer, place your jar of sherry wine morning glory seed extract into bowl, place magnetic stir bar into jar, stir contents for 1 hour at high speed, any leftover LSA will form LSH this way, much more psychedelic than the sedating and practically inactive LSA.
 
Note: always spray ten dollar wine preservation canister gas into your cold sherry wine before you cork it and put in back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde will not oxidize to vinegar which happens normally after 5 days, this will preserve the acetaldehyde, only ten dollar canister from *mazon. You can always find sherry wine at liquor stores in the wine aisle if your grocery store does not carry it, it's only five dollars or so.
 
I also heat 4oz water up to 150 degree F, add 2 twinings brand peppermint tea bags (come sealed in fresh foil packs 50 to a box) and let it soak in the water in the fridge till it cools down, then squeeze tea bags, add 2 drops of peppermint oil (not extract), and add this peppermint concoction to my morning glory extract above as it spins for 1 hour, this forms LSA + mystery aldehyde product that I am writing a book on, this new aldehyde adduct product is very similar to an aminopentante that when coupled onto Lysergic acid was found by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist) to be just as stimulating and active as REAL LSD in rat assays, only it is 1/10 the potency of LSD, in other words you need 1mg of it to equal 100ug of real LSD. Do not use mint tea only peppermint tea, and only peppermint oil drops, not the cheap peppermint alcohol extract from the grocery store. this is all covered on page 11.
 
Note: DO NOT BOIL the peppermint tea as the new aldehyde which makes up a substantial portion of the many alkaloids in peppermint boils off at right below the boiling point of water or around 207 degree F, so keep tea at 150 degree F, then cool it down in the fridge all the way till you put it on stir mantel. This aldehyde is no different from the 3-aminopentane discovered by Dr. Nichols to result in real LSD like effects when adducted to LSA, more below.
 
More on LSI:
 
Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol. This new aldehyde discovery even looks almost identical to the TALE END OF PSILOCIN, mind blowing once you see it's chemical structure which I will reveal in the book.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
 
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
 
Good luck. I will only take a small dose of LSD if and only if I drink the above brew at the exact same time, far better than regular LSD trip only, adds incredible dimensions to the experience, way out there music enhancement, euphoria, 3-d visuals, saturated colors, sexual and aesthetic properties far beyond LSD, many properties similar to mescaline. Good luck. I suggest taking the two together, what an experience!
 
With this method I get a mixture of LSH + LSI, there is no sedating LSA left in the brew.
 
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Last pic: From "Plants of the Gods: Their Sacred, Healing, and Hallucinogenic Powers", Hallucinogenic nectar appears to flow from the blossoms of the morning glory plant, and "disembodied eyes" and birds are other stylistic features associated with the intoxication. An ancient Indian Mother Goddess and her priestly attendants with a highly stylized vine of Ololiuqui, in one of the murals from Teotihuacan, Mexico, dated about A.D. 500.
 
p.s. It is long believed that LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide is the actual real stimulating and psychedelic alkaloid in the seeds and that the sedating and non-psychedelic LSA is a decomposition product of LSH over time and heat conditions, which is why I always keep my 1lb of seeds frozen at all times until use in freezer. There is around 1/4 LSH and 3/4 LSA found in the seeds naturally, but you can up the LSH to 100% with 0% LSA using described methods. I am life long chemist and have written many other threads here pertaining to new chemistry, see above Ayahuasca posts for links.
 
I was also the one that 20 years ago on the now defunct Lycaeum told everyone to add real peppermint mint drops and peppermint tea to their morning glory extracts, along with a teaspoon of vinegar to catalyze the reaction from LSA to LSI (just as potent as real LSD, only 1/10th) and it took off like wildfire cause it works, just google and you will find hundreds of enhanced trip reports way beyond LSA. Two mistakes people continued to make was they did not add the vinegar and they used HBWR seeds instead (big no no) as this forms a bad product from the ergometrine found in very high levels in the HBWR seeds  which causes bronchial vasoconstriction, this does not happen if you use MG seeds, as it has only trace amounts of ergometrine. MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use, and HBWR seeds only have history of medicinal use, I agree with Logical Chaos on the use of MG seeds only.
 
On page #11 of above link, I go into why peppermint works, example from one of the hundreds on the net:
 
Kash:
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
 
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
 
Since I am a chemist, I have been able to order the actual "mystery aldehyde" that is found in peppermint that when it adducts onto LSA forms a new product with 1/10th the potency of real LSD, only needed to add 2 drops of this pure chemical to my mg extract, add a teaspoon of vinegar, and stir at high speed for 1 hour. Only 1mg of this new product I call LSI gave me same visuals as 100ug of Lsd, same euphoria, cev's of geometrics, stimulation, no different.
 
Anyhow, good luck with the coffee grinds Logical Chaos.
 
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Edited by tregar, 09 March 2023 - 07:12 PM.

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