
1mg LSA + new aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD
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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:05 AM
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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:33 AM
Attached: 2022 paper on Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf (1,187,857 bytes)
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Posted 07 February 2023 - 08:28 AM
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
This paper states that "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5
Edited by tregar, 07 February 2023 - 08:30 AM.
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Posted 07 February 2023 - 09:53 AM
I wonder if an explorer combined a couple or the whole array of variants of these morning glory derivatives if the effect would be different, or better, or what? Would the sum be greater than the parts?
Edited by pharmer, 07 February 2023 - 12:23 PM.
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Posted 09 February 2023 - 03:06 PM
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Posted 10 February 2023 - 08:37 AM
tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
Edited by tregar, 10 February 2023 - 10:54 AM.
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Posted 17 February 2023 - 07:34 AM
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Posted 20 February 2023 - 09:40 AM
Just tried this tek today with 450 seeds on an empty stomach and I didn't feel too much of an effect. Just slight euphoria and a good mood boost. Not really any nausea so that's good. I think I didn't grind the seeds fine enough and didn't decant enough of the orange liquid off. Will try again next week most likely. I am also going to try to put the orange liquid into a smoothie using my blender because it tasted so bad. Very artificial sweet flavor with the boozy aftertaste Maybe it was because of all the tartaric acid. i wasn't able to get any of the inert wine gas so I used a vacuum wine stopper and put the bottle of sherry into the coldest part of my fridge. Do you think that is enough to keep it from going bad for a week or 2? Very excited to try again!
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
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Posted 09 March 2023 - 01:58 PM
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The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
Edited by tregar, 09 March 2023 - 07:12 PM.
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Posted 30 March 2023 - 08:04 AM

The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
Interesting read as always, At the 100-200 seed range are there any notable side effects? Whats the headspace like?
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Posted 01 April 2023 - 06:37 AM
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Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved .pdf 164.7KB
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DunningRobertL1956 (2).pdf 4.77MB
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3-methylbutanal or isovaleraldehyde safety sheet, low in general toxicity after oral exposure.pdf 158.57KB
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Chapter5_Excerpt_Peppermint.pdf 483.07KB
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The LSA component of claviceps paspali forms LSH when dunked into fermented liquor (wine).pdf 3.29MB
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2016 Polish morning glory study shows LSH and penniclavine two highest alkaloids in MG (3).pdf 1.19MB
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5 Ergot alkaloids in morning glory just as stimulating as LSD in animal experiments, Yui and Yuji Takeo, 1958.pdf 596.64KB
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Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf 1.13MB
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Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone, 1992 Austin.pdf 780.97KB
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Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself):
tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol or acetaldehyde-methanol + ph=4 acidic water showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
The LSA constituent of Claviceps paspali (same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory) forms LSH when submerged into fermented liquor (Arcamone, 1961) LSH is the chemical adduct formed from the reaction of LSA and acetaldehyde.
Reaction of Indole with Acetaldehyde: A 0.2% solution of indole in equal amounts of water, ethanol, and acetaldehyde formed a product with 60% yield after 1 hour of reaction at ambient temperature. Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect.Decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to 0.1% increased the reaction rate and percent yield of product. See pic of the researchers's indole + acetaldehyde adduct product formed before (page 8439) and after (page 8441).
Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he fell out by accident, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, and also his friend's urine and blood also had LSH who observed the death. They had both been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Acetaldehyde is in alcohol and may even form LSH from LSA in vitro in the liver when combined with LSA, there is no LSH naturally found in HBWR seeds, only morning glory seeds, we have no studies on this possible in vitro process but here is the actual toxicology study: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/20018470/ Cocaethylene also forms in the liver when combined with alcohol + cocaine, cocaethylene is not only very orally active but more potent than cocaine and works strongly for an hour and is the secret ingredient discovered finally in 1994 formed from the famous Vin Mariani coca wine (5mg cocaine per each coca leaf tea bag soaked per each 1 oz wine) famous with Thomas Edison, both Popes and countless singers and celebrities of the time it was legal:
https://en.wikipedia...ki/Cocaethylene
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Vin_Mariani
This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.
No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine.
The researchers administered LSH to test subject in 2021, and recorded the radioligand binding data of the LSH to her brain: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
Also, see Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of LSH or D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide,". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4. Bibcode: 1961, Nature.
Glasser in 1961 noticed animals became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar.
LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide is also very chemically similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL which at 1.6mg resulted in long lasting powerful LSD like effects. The combo of penniclavine + LSH, the 2 highest alkaloids in the seeds is what results in the ultra-powerful experience, and as we all know, 2 alkaloids are more powerful than just one.
Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine. Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like.
It was Gröger who first discovered LSH in the seeds, published in his 1963 paper "Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea-Arten". Later also Hofmann then extracted it from the seeds. It probably was in 1967, as Heim wrote in his work from August 1967 that Hofmann said he recently extracted it from the seeds (personal communication, as they knew each other very well).
LSD----------------------------------------CH2CH3-----CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C20 H25 N3 0)
LAE-32-----------------------------------------H------CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 0)
d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide-----------H---------CHOHCH3....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 02)
Penniclavine-----------------------------------------------------chemical formula (C16 H18 N2 O2)
fastandbulbous (chem wizard from bluelight):
Apparently N-(1-hydroxyethyl)lysergamide (LSH) is an adduct compound formed from lysergamide (lysergic acid amide, LSA/LAA, LA-111) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by the combination of lysergamide (LSA) & acetaldehyde under physiological conditions (ie a way to get much more & better psychedelic activity from any lysergamide extracted from seed sources).
Chemist Peter Webster who spoke at the LSD symposium:
LSH is a labile adduct of ergine (LSA) and acetaldehyde.
This is true LSH is unstable but will remain stable and not break down into LSA so long as it's in acidic solutions such as wine which is at ph=4.
Also, a lb of fresh seeds is dirt cheap from **** ******* on *mazon. They come in metallic zip lock bag, I keep them frozen at all times in freezer. See bottom of page 12 for how to use isovaleraldehyde to create LSI from LSA via condensation of isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA amide via catalytic catalyst acetic acid found in a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar, studies for this on page 12 as well = forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, or you can view post #1 on page 1: https://www.shroomer...99/fpart/1/vc/1 A 25ml bottle of isovaleraldehyde goes for around the price of two movie tickets, you only need 2 drops. There are 20 drops in a ml, so 500 drops in 25ml bottle. Remember, only a couple places sell it to individuals (which is how I bought it), rest to places that have a business (not residential) address, you just have to really search.
I give instructions half way down page 11 here https://www.shroomer...9/fpart/11/vc/1 on how to create the zero nausea morning glory liquid extract (very easy) you will need for your aldehyde experiments, and also how to use two twinings peppermint tea bags along with 2 drops of pure peppermint oil in case you can't find or don't want to use pure isovaleraldehyde. See attached paper, isovaleraldehyde is in peppermint leaf.
The hymn to Demeter states the Kykeon was composed of barley, mint, and water. This was used to prepare a psychedelic brew that was able to feed hundreds of people (300+) all at once every September for 2,000 years at the sacred ceremony at Eleusis in Greece. All were able to become initiates including women and slaves. Claviceps paspali grows on paspalum distichum grass or even some types of barley in the famous Rarian field adjacent to Eleusis even present day and contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory. Albert Hoffman even stated that this could likely have been the entheogen they used, and could have easily fed hundreds of people like clockwork every year. They also added fresh mint or peppermint leaf to the brew and stirred it for a while.
Do not get claviceps paspali ergot (orange colored) confused with claviceps purpurea ergot (black kernels) which causes gangrene and is poisonous.
Pepppermint leaf contains the aldehyde ISOVALERALDEHYDE or 3-METHYLBUTANAL which has the same molecular weight, and exact same number of 5 carbons and 11 hydrogens as 3-AMINOPENTANE which was discovered by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist) that when coupled to Lysergic acid caused almost the exact same effects as LSD when administered to the rats compared to over a dozen compounds he tested, this one stood way out among all the others.
ISOVALERALDEHYDE will adduct onto the amide LSA via condensation reaction (all studies given), this aldehyde is way more potent than LSH which uses the aldehyde acetaldehyde, and way more potent than LSC which uses the aldehyde cinnamaldehyde (complete mess imho, I have no idea who came up with LSC, but it has nearly double the number of hydrogen and carbons as needed, and will not fit into the receptor site that LSD or LSI uses).
LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide uses acetaldehyde on the amide, acetaldehyde.......C2 H4 O
LSD uses diethylamine on the amide, diethylamine...................................C4 H11 N
chemical formula for entry #16 from Dr. Nichols uses....3-aminopentane...CH(C2 H5)2
chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde (used in LSI) is.............................(CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO
Also notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see all pics on post #1, page 1.
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
How to make the zero nausea liquid morning glory extract with pics you will need for the aldehyde experiments: see post #28180455 here in middle of page 11: https://www.shroomer...9/fpart/11/vc/1
See post #3 here on page 1 for two dozen morning glory trip reports: https://www.shroomer...Number/27850299
On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.
Edited by tregar, 01 April 2023 - 01:05 PM.
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Posted 01 April 2023 - 04:44 PM
Edited by tregar, 01 April 2023 - 08:38 PM.
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 09:32 AM
psychedelics are scarce where I live . I was lucky enouph to have an lsd supplier for 20 years but he dried up about 5 yrs ago and thats when I started growing cubes. Motning glories I've heard about my whole life but wasnt interested in all the negative side effects I heard about just for a weak trip. But since your posts I've gotten excited about it. If you dont mind and if you have time id like to ask a few qyestions :
1 psychedelics are hard to come by where I live. I've tried growing mgs the last 2 summers but the only place I have to grow is in the shade most of the day and both summers I just ended up with vines that took over my house and barely had any flowers ...well I just recently came across 8 oz of what is supposed to be fresh seeds.The place i ordered the seeds is the same place I get my root bark and theyve not let me down yet . Is there a way to tell how fresh the seeds are?
I dont know if or when ill be able to get more so i reaally dont want to screw this up . So please forgive if my questions are stupid or have already been answered. Ive read your docs over and over but thats alot of info for my inferior brain to process.
2 I plan on dividing the seeds and doing several extractions just to experiment and play, but if i decided to do all 8 oz at once would I increase everything by 8? ingredients and sittting and stir times?
3 ..I have the seeds , wine preserver gas, sherry, lab grade DL- tartriac acid , everclear, flasks , funnels , ph meter, mag stirrer, etc...but i dont know your secret aldehyde...
is it worth doing tge extraction without the aldehyde? or should I wait until you reveal it to do it ? Like I said I dont know if ill be able to come across this many seeds again so I want to do it right..if I have to wait i will.
4. if i did do all 8 at once that would be alot of liquid , how long could I store it for? if i sprsyed the wine preserve gas in the extraction jar would it preserve it longer?
5. Ive done lsd at least 100 or 2 times ....I used to have a source for pure mescaline powder anf ive done tons of it ..ive beeen growing cubes for a few years and i do those weekly ...Ive done dmt probly 50 to 100 times this year. I believe i have an above average tolerance. my question is : I noticed you like to mix in cactus , lsd , and THH with your extract is that because the extract doesnt get yoy there by itself?I dont really have access to the 3 things you take with your extract ...so could a person,like I , who is used to doing psychedelics get a good trip off the extract alone? I see where yoy said 500 seeds is equal to 2 hits of lsd x2... but then u mix it with other psychs . So i kinda wondered if the extract is wortg it ( Im doing it regardless ).
6. If you were in my position with everything I have and nothing more how would you do these 8oZ of seeds i have?
7. I heard something about mixing curcumin with black
pepper with your extraction, Is that something that makes sense?
I have more questions but i feel like Ive made this post long enouph...ill first wait to see if ypu respond.
I apologize for the typos and lower cased i's ..like i said i dont type on here much .
i appreciate you sharing all this info ...it must have taking hours ( days , weeks , months , possibly years?) to type all that . Thanks. My simple mind is honored to be able to have a discussion with someone who is far more superior at chemistry.I wish i had something in return.
ok another question: I have a magnetic stirrer but i cant really pit it in an ice bath ...without knowing your aldehyde do i even need the stirrer? also when i do stir do i have to drink the extract immediatly or can i save it for later? or do i have to do the stir everytime before i drink it ?
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 11:26 AM
I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that morning glory sprouts are as effective as the seeds.Is that bs or real? Have you experimented with them?
ok,coincidentally, I just happened to come across 60 grams of peruvian torch,cracker dry.The only way I've ever done mescaline was in pure(as far as i know it was pure or close to it) powder form.So no idea how much is in this cactus or how much of it to take. Should I try to do an extraction with it so I know how much I'm doing? (of course my mind is screaming "just eat it all")Is it even worth extracting with just 60grams ? I know that is a little off topic but I got a feeling if anyone would know its you
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 01:10 PM
How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide at home from LSA in morning glory seeds, ancient LSD
Opendoors said:
I have a magnetic stirrer but i cant really pit it in an ice bath ...without knowing your aldehyde do i even need the stirrer? also when i do stir do i have to drink the extract immediatly or can i save it for later? or do i have to do the stir everytime before i drink it ?
Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide or LSI:
Good morning opendoors. You can order the special aldehyde which is Isovaleraldehyde for around the price of two movie tickets for a 25ml bottle. There are 20 drops in a ml, so 500 drops in 25ml bottle. You only need 2 drops. This small bottle can last you a lifetime of trips. You only need to spin in ONCE for 1 hour to form the amide adduct, then drink it or store it away in fridge or freezer to drink later (days, weeks, or months). Remember, only a couple places sell it to individuals (which is how I bought it), rest to places that have a business (not residential) address, you just have to really search, but yes it is available to individuals. Hint: google 25ml bottle isovaleraldehyde. One of the places is ********. This aldehyde allows you to get real LSD like effects finally from morning glory seeds. I will post a picture of my bottle of isovaleraldehyde in 2 weeks, I can't post it now as I am out of town for 2 weeks.
If you don't have a magnetic stirrer, you can buy one for less than fifty bucks on *mazon or similar. Anyone can make an ice bath, to make one you simply put a bowl of ice on your stirrer, place your 3 to 3.5 shot cold sherry wine zero nausea morning glory extract 1/2 pint jar in the middle of the bowl, drop a magnetic stir rod into your mg liquid, add 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to the liquid (catalyst for the chemical condensation of isovaleraldhyde onto LSA amide) along with 2 drops of isovaleraldehyde. Spin at high speed for 1 hour. Isovaleraldehyde boils off at 198 degree F, so you really don't need an ice bath, but the acetaldehyde in sherry wine boils off at 70 degree F. So if you want to make LSH, you need the ice bath, if you only want to make LSI or Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide (my preference) you don't need the ice bath. If you want a combination of LSH and LSI, then use the ice bath.
This LSI really works, I've tripped my ass off every 2 weeks already with it several times, this LSI gives me 6 strong hours out of it compared to my Ayahuasca which gives me only 1.5 hour strong experience. I tend to alternate between the LSI and Ayahuasca on some weeks however when I feel like it.
Yes, you can place your LSI tea into fridge to keep for 1 to 2 weeks, or place into freezer and it will keep forever, simply defrost it in fridge the day before you want to drink it.
This page 11 shows you how to make the zero nausea morning glory extract you will need for the aldehyde experiments (go midway down page 11 where you see the pics): 1mg LSA + new LSI aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that morning glory sprouts are as effective as the seeds.Is that bs or real? Have you experimented with them?
I don't get any effects from mg sprouts. I only use the seeds as this is what is traditional and proven to work. The sprouts will not have the developed LSA amides you need.
On your cactus question, I used to spend years extracting mescaline from cactus, now I just deskin and boil bridesii cactus chunks from around the core, boil for 45 minutes, strain water and chunks thru a strainer, then reduce the water down to however much you want (I prefer a 6oz liquid) then pour water off into 1/2 pint jars, place into fridge, after 2 days, there will be a 1/4" layer of green sludge at the bottom, simply decant off the liquid above the sludge and drink that for an awesome time, zero nausea, the fridge does all the work of taking out the nauseating particles. I love to combine cactus tea with my LSI....I take the cactus tea first, then 1 hour later drink the LSI, as I've always loved the combo of LSD + cactus tea. Always take in that order only.
pic: I will post my bottle of isovaleraldehyde when I am back in town 2 weeks from now. But this is the aldehyde that will give you real LSD like effects and stimulation, 2 drops is all you need. Isovalderaldehyde has nearly the exact same chemical formula as the tail end of DMT or psilocin: CHO CH2 CH2 2(CH3), and nearly the same molecular weight 87g/mol as LSD's diethylamine at 73 g/mol. Both isovaleraldehyde from the Greece Eleusis kykeon peppermint and 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols have exactly 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehye attaches to one of the H already at the amide of LSA). Very similar to LSD's diethylamine which has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups. See post above with the pics and study from LSD scientist Dr. Nichols as to why Rats respond to this number of carbons and hydrogens on the LSA amide as if it is real LSD.
This is ANCIENT LSD, it was hypothesized to form from ground claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum grass in the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis (same safe alkaloid profile as Mesoamerican morning glory high in LSA) that is mixed with a handful or large amount of fresh peppermint leaves for a while in wine. This could very well be the famous Kykeon psychedelic brew, formula kept secret for 2,000 years by the priests, able to easily feed over 300 hundred people (new initiates) like clockwork every Sept. LSA --> potent LSI, it is indeed possible and works extremely well.
Edited by tregar, 18 April 2023 - 05:06 PM.
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Posted 19 April 2023 - 06:35 PM
Anyway Ive tried ordering the isovaleraldehyde without much luck , one place allowed it but for some reason my order won't go through ...so im going with peppermint oil.
From my understanding you are saying peppermint oil is just as good as using the pure aldehyde? Will essential peppermint work for that?
another question: From what I read I haven't seen you mention adjusting the ingredients for different quantities of seed when doing your tek.... is this a 5 or 6 hundred seed tek or if i wanted to do 1000 to 1200 seed batch would I double everything ; 4 drops peppermint , 60 mg of DL-tartaric, etc ...?
I don't know how fresh my seeds are the supplier claimed they were fresh , it's the same supplier I get my MHRB from and they' ve never done me wrong on that but I've never bought seeds before ....I cannot find the section now where you basically said, from my understanding forgive me if I'm wrong, that with your tek it didnt matter if the seeds were a little old because it all would be converted back ...did i understand that right ? If that's so that alone is pretty amazing .
Thank you again ...I hope I'm not bothering you with all my questions ....please forgive my typos and my grammer
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#17
Posted 19 April 2023 - 08:49 PM
Nice seeing you still active, Tregar.
#18
Posted 21 April 2023 - 12:18 PM
So if I wanted to a test run 3 or 400 seeds. Could I just shake it for an hour?
Thanks in advance, I'm ready to do this and report back the results but this stirrer got me held up
#19
Posted 22 April 2023 - 11:02 AM
Tregar, hello again, just a quick question this time: How necessary is the magnetic stirrer? I have everything to do this exactly as you described it but I don't know what I did with my stirrer. I ordered another but the shipping is over a week away.
So if I wanted to a test run 3 or 400 seeds. Could I just shake it for an hour?
Thanks in advance, I'm ready to do this and report back the results but this stirrer got me held up
does anyone know ?
#20
Posted 22 April 2023 - 01:58 PM
you can often get a mag stir , for about $20 to $40 .. on Amazon
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