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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:05 AM

Update 2.6.2023
 
Have made a ground breaking discovery, as have discovered an aldehyde way beyond acetaldehyde that results in a trip very similar to LSD when this aldehyde is added to the zero nausea morning glory LSA extract and spun on a stir mantel at high speed for 1 hour, then consume.
 
Have added just 3 drops of this pure aldehyde from chemical supplier to the 3g (105 seeds) morning glory wine extract, unbelievable experience, will post more once I have all the details written carefully. This is NOT LSC or LSH, way beyond.
 
3g seeds has .01mg LSA per each seed x 105 seeds = 1mg LSA extracted into 3 shots of wine + 3 drops of this aldehyde and spun at high speed on stir mantel for 1 hour = strong LSD like effects, very similar to actual LSD in every way.
 
This same aldehyde has exact same molecular weight as an amino pentane that Dr. Nichols discovered when coupled to lysergic acid resulted in the rats responding to it as if it were LSD, only its 1/10th the potency of LSD, but same general psychedelic effects as LSD. This aldehyde also looks almost exactly like the tail end of psilocin, mind blowing once you see the similarity. 1mg of this LSA + aldehyde compound formed in wine to remain stable has the potency of 100ug of acid in my estimation.
 
This new aldehyde joins with LSA to form a compound that is around 1/10th the potency of LSD in my trials, completely blown away, will post more in 6 months, this is a magical molecule.
 
The molecule can be formed in wine, which has natural ph of 4.0 which is needed to create the aldehyde adduct and keep it stable until it is consumed. It's boiling point or evaporation is 201 degrees F, below the boiling point of water at 212 degree F.
 
A book will be coming out end of summer on this new discovery. It relates directly to Eleusis in ancient Greece, as the ancients used an entire handful of this fresh herb high in this aldehyde added to the claviceps paspali ergot powdered into wine and stirred for some time, filtered thru cloth then consumed.
 
I will post details only after the book is released.
 
Claviceps paspali infects grass and grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous rarian plane. Claviceps paspali ergot which infects and grows on paspalum grass has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican Morning glory. LSA from the ergot + this new aldehyde adduct results in strong psychedelic effects very similar to LSD.
 
Most incredible zero nausea morning glory extract I've ever sampled twice already spaced 7 days apart wash out period, 1mg of this new LSA + aldehyde molecule formed in wine gave same general effects as 100ug LSD, same euphoria, stimulation, closed eye colored geometric visuals, music sounded great.

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Posted 06 February 2023 - 10:33 AM

Attached: 2022 paper on Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf (1,187,857 bytes) Attached File  Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf   1.13MB   90 downloads


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 08:28 AM

Just for clarification, this is not LSC which uses cinnamaldehyde or LSH which uses acetaldehyde.
 
This is not cinnamaldehyde, if you read the attached 2022 aldehydes paper above, you will find at the end of the paper that even though it was plausable that LSC was forming, LSC was found to have very weak effects, it's a hot mess due to it's very heavy molecular weight and has double the hydrogens and carbon groups of both the 3-aminopentane and aldehyde that has worked for me twice already. Cinnamaldehyde is way too large to fit into the receptor. I will say one last thing before the book is released at the end of the summer below:
 
From LSD and it's Lysergamide Cousins, Dr. Nichols, page 84: chap6.pdf (heffter.org)
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84.
 
This aldehyde discovery that works has FIVE carbon groups and 11 hydrogen just like 3-aminopentane which was found by Dr. Nichols to have activity very similar to LSD in the rat assays, as the rats reacted to it as if they had been given LSD. Anything beyond this, like cinnamaldehyde with a very high molecular weight has way too many carbons and hydrogens (almost double) and will result in weak effects.
 
We know from this paper that LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxethylamide does indeed reach the brain as it was found in the bloodstream and urine of two individuals who ingested the seeds, one fell backwards to his death from an apartment building, and his friend who watched it happen, both had bloodwork and urine tested by authorities:
 
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This paper states that "LSH" was identified in blood and/or urine samples in two individuals who ingested the seeds. This is interesting because Peter Webster alleges that LSH will immediately decompose when in the body. This paper indicates that that's not true.
 
Klinke HB, Müller IB, Steffenrud S and Dahl-Sørensen R, Two cases of lysergamide intoxication by ingestion of seeds, which resulted in one fatality due to falling from a building and one surviving witness. Forensic Sci Int, 2010, 197(1-3), e1-5
 
 
Example: Also, in the book "LSD my problem child", Albert Hoffman himself presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the morning glory seeds, he once again presents a molecular diagram of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods", and this illustration takes up an entire 1/2 page of the book.
 
Example: LSH has been shown to be active in humans at 1.6mg and above according to TIHKAL, with LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA. Dr. Glasser in the 1960's showed LSH showed significant activity in mice as well. They became active and even pressed on each other's noses.
 
LSD and it's Lysergamide cousins from Dr. Nichols, see page 84: Attached File  chap6 (2).pdf   263.06KB   40 downloads

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Posted 07 February 2023 - 09:53 AM

I wonder if an explorer combined a couple or the whole array of variants of these morning glory derivatives if the effect would be different, or better, or what? Would the sum be greater than the parts?


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Posted 09 February 2023 - 03:06 PM

The reaction between the LSA amide and the discovered aldehyde is a condensation reaction when spun for 1 hour at high speed on stir mantel with a tornado like vortex created, in each case of LSA + adduct condensation product I created, a small amount of acetic acid (vinegar) was added to solution to catalyze the condensations, the small amount of vinegar acts as a chemical catalyst, similar to this paper: https://pubs.acs.org...021/ja01335a085
 
The created condensation product will fall apart if added to plain water, as it will only remain stable in an acidic solution around ph=4, which is how it is consumed.

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Posted 10 February 2023 - 08:37 AM

In conclusion for now:
 
A little bit more on LSH or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide, one of the main actives of the seeds normally, as this relates to how the new aldehyde discovery works...the fresh seeds contain around 1/4 LSH and 3/4 LSA:
 
Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself, from 1998):
tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde adduct = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.
 
LSD----------------------------------------CH2CH3-----CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C20 H25 N3 0)
LAE-32-----------------------------------------------H------CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 0)
d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide--------------H------CHOHCH3....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 02)
 
* LSH was found to form in the famous 1960's paper by Arcamone when LSA or Lysergic acid amide from claviceps paspali (this ergot grows and infects paspalum grass current day on the famous rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis in ancient Greece where the psychedelic kykeon secret formula was prepared by the priest and drunk by hundreds of initiates at one time every September for 2,000 years straight) was dunked into fermented liquor which contains the aldehyde acetaldehyde. This is recounted on page 1 and 2 in the attached 2022 LSA aldehydes paper attached on post #1.
 
Don't get claviceps paspali, which has the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory seeds with claviceps purpurea which has black kernels, infects barley and is poisonous, and causes gangrene and limbs to fall off. Many people even mow over claviceps paspali ergot with their mower which infects paspalum grass in the states, and don't even realize it.
 
1) In the middle of the book "LSD, my problem child" by Dr. Hoffman, Dr. Hoffman presents a color illustration of LSH, and labels it as one of the main psychedelic alkaloids of the seeds. He once again presents a large scale molecular model of LSH towards the end of the book "Plants of the gods" and labels it as one of the main actives of the seeds. This model even takes up 1/2 page of the book. He shows it compared or side by side with a molecular model of LSD.   
 
2) LSH or d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is very similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL except it has one extra oxygen atom. In human experiments in TIHKAL, LAE-32 at 1.6mg resulted in LSD like effects and a stimulation unlike the sedation of LSA.
 
3) Dr Glasser in 1960's in a paper published in Nature showed that when LSH was injected into mice, the mice responded as if they had been given a substance similar to LSD, they became very active and even pressed on each other's noses.  Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4: https://www.nature.c...ticles/189313a0
 
4) LSH was given to a person in 2020 and a receptorome or radioligand chart was mapped showing what receptors in the brain it hits, with many similarities to the receptors LSD hits: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687
 
When preparing LSH from LSA + acetaldehyde as given in instructions above using the discovered new aldehyde which I will disclose when book comes out, when using acetaldehyde you must remember that acetaldehyde evaporates off at room temp or right above 69 degrees F. So when spinning the solution in ph=4 wine high in acetaldehyde wine such as sherry (contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass) for 1 hour with a dash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction, the spinning must be done on an ice bath or in the fridge on a battery powered magnetic stirrer to keep the acetaldehyde from boiling off which happens at around 69 degree F.
 
Luckily, this newly discovered aldehyde when condensed or adducted onto LSA with effects very similar to actual LSD has a high boiling point right below the boiling point of water, and all this formation can be done at room temp.
 
When the ancients prepared this new aldehyde product with a handfull of the fresh herb high in this specific aldehyde mixed with the powdered claviceps paspali ergot in wine, they most likely also added a dash of vinegar or used wine which had been sitting out un-corked for a few days, as a portion of the wine will convert to vinegar if not sealed with an inert gas to prevent oxidation. This is actually good, as this is what they needed, wine with a tiny amount of vinegar.
 
When preparing the new potent condensation product from the discovered aldehyde + LSA which I will disclose at the end of summer, you must use a tiny splash of vinegar to catalyze the condensation reaction as explained in attachment, where the researchers formed new condensation aldehyde products with acetamide + chosen different aldehyde.
 
By the way, acetamide in the paper looks identical to the amide group on LSA which we are using.
 
Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
 
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
 
Pic 2: Description of 3-aminopentane by Dr. Nichols and why it is important.
 
Pic 3: how acetamide + new aldehyde condensation product is formed. LSA or Lysergic acid amide in the seeds has an amide group just like acetamide.
 
Pic 4: LSH, LSA + other minor alkaloids profile in morning glory seeds from 2016 Polish mg study, claviceps paspali ergot infects paspalum grass, and color illustration of LSH from "LSD, my problem child". Note: HBWR contains very high levels of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, while mg seeds contain very low levels of ergometrine, which is why mg seeds should only be used. HBWR only has history of medicinal use while MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use.
 
Pic 5: Molecular model of LSD compared with LSH from morning glory seeds towards end of book "Plants of the gods" by Dr. Hoffman. Also see chapter on morning glory seeds.
 
p.s. magnetic stirrers are cheap and can be found at auction or *mazon for less than fifty dollars.
 
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Part II:
 
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all aldehyde experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
 
Easy steps, I've used this process over a dozen times in a year period, it works:
 
Pic 1: Drink this LSH enhanced liquid extract at the same time you drop your LSD for an experience that is way beyond LSD, the LSH adds infinite dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like incredible (I mean phenomenal !) music enhancement, every sound in the music is "epic", infinite beauty enhancmenent, strong sensual feelings, strong neon like color saturation, flowing visuals, energy fields seen in constant motion all objects, heavy tracers, etc. These qualities LSH adds are very similar to what cactus tea adds in my experience when added to LSD. 
 
This is most likely due to LSH hitting 5 more adrenal recpetors associated with beauty, aesthetics and sensuality beyond normal LSD, see radioligand chart for LSH. I used this potion every time I tripped, you can even add it to cactus tea by taking drinking the LSH potion 1 hour later (always stagger 1 hour so the amides do not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus, only take in that order) it's incredible.
 
How to make the zero nausea morning glory liquid which is used for all experiments, example: forming LSH from the LSA in the seeds:
 
Pic 2: How this works, from 2022 aldehydes paper, see 1960's study by Arcamone.
 
Pic 3: Sherry wine is the wine highest in acetaldehyde.
 
Pic 4: With only a lamp on in garage, no overhead bright light: grind 15 grams or 525 heavenly blue morning glory seeds in a coffee grinder (35 seeds per gram) using 10 second grind with occasional shaking of coffee grinder, pause 5 seconds, then grind again 10 seconds, repeat x 4 times, you will end up with a dust like consisteny, all the alkaloids are extracted from within the tough rubbery embryo of the seed. 525 seeds x .01mg LSA per seed = 5mg LSA
 
Pic 5: Place ground seed dust into a 1/2 pint tall jar (*almart case of 12, canning section), add 3.5 to 4 shots of cold just opened fresh sherry wine from the fridge, and around 30mg of DL tartaric acid which aids the extraction (from hi media store, *mazon, auction or similar). Do not use plain L-tartaric acid used in wine making, get the good stuff, which contains the D isomer. D-lyergic acid amide isomer salts are the potent form of salts. 
 
And also ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: acetaldehyde in this case onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
 
Re-seal your sherry wine by spraying wine preservation canister which has inert gas (contains argon, carbon dioxide, etc.) around ten dollars from *mazon into your wine before sealing with cork and placing back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde in the wine will not oxidize to vinegar as normally happens over a 5 day period when corked without preserving. 
 
Step 6: Put lid on and shake contents for 1 to 2 minutes, at this point you would add your discovered aldehyde 3 drops before shaking to form new molecule similar to LSD in every way. But this will not be disclosed until end of summer. With the new aldehyde discovery I will disclose at end of summer, I spin the wine on magnetic stirrer with splash of vinegar at ambient room temp with 3 drops of the discovered aldehyde for 1 hour at very high speed to form the new molecule with effects very similar to actual LSD in every way.
 
Place jar into fridge for 10 minutes after the 2 minute shaking, during this time the nauseating seed debris can be seen falling to the bottom.
 
Pic 6: Filter entire contents of jar thru a "coffee wire filter" from *almart or *amazon or your local grocery store sitting atop a glass, the liquid above the seed debris will filter real fast in seconds, then filter the debris at the bottom from the jar, once the debris is in basket, use a spoon to press down on it to get all the liquid out, this only takes around 10 seconds.
 
Pic 7: Place this filtered liquid in the fridge for 3 hours or even overnight, within 3 hours, all of the nauseating to the intestines seed debris will have fallen to the bottom. This process begins within an hour after sitting in fridge, check each hour and watch as the seed debris falls by around an inch each hour.
 
Pic 8: After 3 hours or longer, decant the liquid from above the bottom 1/4" of seed debris, this is what you want to consume, it is psychedelic and results in zero nausea, as there is no seed debris in it. DO NOT DRINK the SEED DEBRIS at very bottom or you will become nauseated and sick, don't worry, there are no alkaloids in it. 
 
All the alkaloids are concentrated in the fridge decanted liquid above the seed debris. This contains your LSA which has adducted to the acetaldehyde in the wine, forming new amounts of LSH, since the wine is at ph=4, the new LSH adduct product will remain stable indefinately, store in fridge if you plan to use within a few days, or you can freeze and de-thaw in fridge overnight to use next day. It dethaws fast since it is wine.
 
Note: never try to extract your seeds using just plain acidified water, I have tried this before, your seed debris will not separate out in the fridge, and you end up with a complete emulsion in the coffee wire filter which will not filter at all, wine is needed to effect the proper extraction, and allows the liquid to separate from the seed emulsion below, this will not happen with a plane water extration. This is how the ancient Aztec and Mayan extracted the seeds using balche, an alcohol they made themselves, see 2nd pic. 
 

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Posted 20 February 2023 - 09:40 AM

hedgehopper said:
Just tried this tek today with 450 seeds on an empty stomach and I didn't feel too much of an effect. Just slight euphoria and a good mood boost. Not really any nausea so that's good. I think I didn't grind the seeds fine enough and didn't decant enough of the orange liquid off. Will try again next week most likely. I am also going to try to put the orange liquid into a smoothie using my blender because it tasted so bad. Very artificial sweet flavor with the boozy aftertaste Maybe it was because of all the tartaric acid. i wasn't able to get any of the inert wine gas so I used a vacuum wine stopper and put the bottle of sherry into the coldest part of my fridge. Do you think that is enough to keep it from going bad for a week or 2? Very excited to try again!
 
The wine preservation gas from *mazon is around ten bucks and has enough gas to seal wine bottles for a months on end. Your wine should keep for 7 days without the gas. Congrats on zero nausea and your extract hedgehopper. Hedgehopper did you remember to add a tiny splash of vinegar to your jar once you decanted off the seed mush from the bottom? The acetic acid is a "chemical catalyst" necessary to propel the reaction o f LSA to LSH and LSA to mystery compound that is very psychedelic as well:
 
ADD a tiny splash of acetic acid or VINEGAR to catalyze the condensations of the aldehyde to LSA: Acetaldehyde in this case from the sherry wine onto the amide of LSA. The vinegar acts as an important catalyst due to it's acetic acid, and is needed for the formation of new product and will not form without it, see study from post above.
 
I love to prepare an extract using 15 grams (525 seeds) and drink this at the same time as taking some acid hits, adds incredible dimensions to the experience, only way I take acid is with this combination, way beyond normal LSD. You will not believe the euphoria and music enhancement, bold saturated colors, increased flowing visual power (not choppy), has many similarities to mescaline.
 
Try adding 2 drops of REAL PEPPERMINT OIL (not the extract in alcohol from the grocery store) along with the tiny splash of vinegar at the same time.
 
Once I have my orange morning glory liquid decanted from the seeds, what I do is spin it on an ice bath on a magnetic stirrer along with 2 teaspoons of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil, I also prepare a peppermint tea using 2 peppermint tea bags (not mint tea bags) that come in a keep fresh foil pack, order the peppermint drops and tea prepared from 2 peppermint tea from *mazon or you can find peppermint tea at your grocery store.
 
To make an ice bath: fill a bowl with ice cubes, pour your morning glory liquid into measuring cup or glass and place your cup in center of bowl surrounded by ice cubes, place a magnetic stirrer in glass and spin on magnetic stirrer at high speed for 1 hour, then consume. Make sure you added your splash of vinegar and 2 drops of peppermint oil along with 4oz cup of peppermint tea. The cool temp keeps the acetaldehyde from evaporating off.
 
You can buy a magnetic stirrer for less than fifty dollars from *mazon or auction. If you don't have one, then just shake your jar full of morning glory liquid, 2 peppermint drops, and 2 peppermint tea prepared in 4 oz water, shake all ingredients in jar in your hand for around 2 minutes, always keep cold, store in fridge at all times with occasional shaking once per hour until you drink.
 
To make the peppermint tea: heat up 4oz water in microwave to around 150 to 175 degree F. DO NOT HEAT TO BOILING, or the special aldehyde in the tea will boil off or evaporate. Add 2 peppermint tea bags, let this cool down in fridge for a while, then add to your morning glory liquid.
 
Preparing the MG liquid this way will provide you with not only acetaldehyde (which boils off above 69 degree F, but also with the mystery aldehyde which I will disclose in book at end of summer). This mystery aldehyde is stable all the way to right below boiling point of water.
 
Kash:
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
 
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
 
I was the one that 2 decades ago told everyone to add peppermint oil drops and/or along with peppermint tea to their morning glory seed extract and it took off like wildfire, cause it works, just google the combination on the web and you will find hundreds of enhanced trip reports similar to the one above.
 
This thread is an example containing at least 3 bad ass reports if you bother to read the whole thread: https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=5733
 
I am not 69ron but he was a friend of mine, I have no idea what happened to him.
 
The main thing people forgot was to add a splash of vinegar for the acetic acid that catalyzes the reaction. It's difficult to correct people when when they don't follow the proper directions. 
 
DO NOT USE HBWR seeds, as an alkaloid will form that causes bronchial constriction from ergometrine + acetaldehyde, HBWR contain very high amounts of ergometrine which causes cramping and vasoconstriction, the amount of ergometrine in mg seeds however, is very low and trace amounts. MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use, whereas HBWR seeds only have history of medicinal use.
 
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Posted 09 March 2023 - 01:58 PM

1mg LSA + new aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

 

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Page 11 has the method with all pics: https://www.shroomer...age/2/fpart/11
 
Wanted to address two new recent very good threads on the shroomery, and archive my response here:
 
1) Ancient Eleusinian mystery brew kykeon (κυκεων) is Psilocybe serbica
 
Very good thread Blue_lux, keep up the great work! well done just keep in mind that the kykeon had to be able to feed several hundred people at once every Sept for 2,000 years. Mushrooms even though found 6 hours away are just not enough to feed 300 plus people all at one time, whereas the Homeric hymn mentions that the kykeon of ancient Greece (foundation for our democracy) was composed of ergot from grain, mint and water, what I propose is that claviceps paspali which grows adjacent to Eleusis even present day in the Rarian plane or field contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the mesoamerican morning glory, and when mint is added you get LSI, I have a book in fall coming out on this, all of page 11 describes this: https://www.shroomer...age/2/fpart/11
 
Even Albert Hofmann inventor of LSD said that claviceps paspali ergot which infects paspalum grass next to Eleuis could have likely been what was in the kykeon brew. The priest need only powder the ergot, add to water with lots of fresh mint leaf, stir, filter thru cloth and serve. Many people in the states mow over this infected grass and don't even realize it, here is a pic, I found it growing myself:
 
Page 2, post #27876221 (scroll to the middle) is a 5 page paper on claviceps paspali ergot likely being the kykeon, and why mushrooms could not have likely fed the hundreds of people all at once:
 
"Has the Mystery of the Eleusinian Mysteries been solved? by Ivan Valencic: "   
 
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2) LSA CWE with Decaffeinated Cold Brew Coffee?
 
What Logical Chaos proposes is actually not a bad idea, as fresh coffee grounds contain large amount of acetaldehyde. Flickabic actually used the coffee grinds method if you search the posts here. Just remember to keep the grounds cold when you grind as actetaldehyde evaporates off at above 69 degree F.
 
Page 11 last post describes how to form LSH or Lysergic acid hydroxethylamide from LSA + acetaldehyde found in sherry wine or coffee grounds using 1 to 2 teaspoons of vinegar (contains acetic acid).
 
Acetic acid is needed to catalyze the condensation of acetaldehyde onto LSA to form LSH, see study on post #28180455 (amide + aldehyde condensation reactions) where acetamide (very similar to our LSA amide) is shown forming new ALDEHYDE ADDUCT products with various aldehydes. This reaction will not work unless you include the vinegar, you can use plain vinegar or apple cider vinegar: https://www.shroomer...page/2/fpart/11
 
When I form LSH from LSA + acetaldehyde in the cold sherry wine, I pour my zero nausea morning glory extract extracted with 3 to 3.5 shots of sherry wine into a jar, add 2 teaspoons of vinegar, and stir on an ice bath for 1 hour, then consume, an ice bath can be formed by placing a bowl with ice cubes on your magnetic stirrer, place your jar of sherry wine morning glory seed extract into bowl, place magnetic stir bar into jar, stir contents for 1 hour at high speed, any leftover LSA will form LSH this way, much more psychedelic than the sedating and practically inactive LSA.
 
Note: always spray ten dollar wine preservation canister gas into your cold sherry wine before you cork it and put in back in fridge, this way the precious acetaldehyde will not oxidize to vinegar which happens normally after 5 days, this will preserve the acetaldehyde, only ten dollar canister from *mazon. You can always find sherry wine at liquor stores in the wine aisle if your grocery store does not carry it, it's only five dollars or so.
 
I also heat 4oz water up to 150 degree F, add 2 twinings brand peppermint tea bags (come sealed in fresh foil packs 50 to a box) and let it soak in the water in the fridge till it cools down, then squeeze tea bags, add 2 drops of peppermint oil (not extract), and add this peppermint concoction to my morning glory extract above as it spins for 1 hour, this forms LSA + mystery aldehyde product that I am writing a book on, this new aldehyde adduct product is very similar to an aminopentante that when coupled onto Lysergic acid was found by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist) to be just as stimulating and active as REAL LSD in rat assays, only it is 1/10 the potency of LSD, in other words you need 1mg of it to equal 100ug of real LSD. Do not use mint tea only peppermint tea, and only peppermint oil drops, not the cheap peppermint alcohol extract from the grocery store. this is all covered on page 11.
 
Note: DO NOT BOIL the peppermint tea as the new aldehyde which makes up a substantial portion of the many alkaloids in peppermint boils off at right below the boiling point of water or around 207 degree F, so keep tea at 150 degree F, then cool it down in the fridge all the way till you put it on stir mantel. This aldehyde is no different from the 3-aminopentane discovered by Dr. Nichols to result in real LSD like effects when adducted to LSA, more below.
 
More on LSI:
 
Pic 1: chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol. This new aldehyde discovery even looks almost identical to the TALE END OF PSILOCIN, mind blowing once you see it's chemical structure which I will reveal in the book.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
 
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
 
Good luck. I will only take a small dose of LSD if and only if I drink the above brew at the exact same time, far better than regular LSD trip only, adds incredible dimensions to the experience, way out there music enhancement, euphoria, 3-d visuals, saturated colors, sexual and aesthetic properties far beyond LSD, many properties similar to mescaline. Good luck. I suggest taking the two together, what an experience!
 
With this method I get a mixture of LSH + LSI, there is no sedating LSA left in the brew.
 
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Last pic: From "Plants of the Gods: Their Sacred, Healing, and Hallucinogenic Powers", Hallucinogenic nectar appears to flow from the blossoms of the morning glory plant, and "disembodied eyes" and birds are other stylistic features associated with the intoxication. An ancient Indian Mother Goddess and her priestly attendants with a highly stylized vine of Ololiuqui, in one of the murals from Teotihuacan, Mexico, dated about A.D. 500.
 
p.s. It is long believed that LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide is the actual real stimulating and psychedelic alkaloid in the seeds and that the sedating and non-psychedelic LSA is a decomposition product of LSH over time and heat conditions, which is why I always keep my 1lb of seeds frozen at all times until use in freezer. There is around 1/4 LSH and 3/4 LSA found in the seeds naturally, but you can up the LSH to 100% with 0% LSA using described methods. I am life long chemist and have written many other threads here pertaining to new chemistry, see above Ayahuasca posts for links.
 
I was also the one that 20 years ago on the now defunct Lycaeum told everyone to add real peppermint mint drops and peppermint tea to their morning glory extracts, along with a teaspoon of vinegar to catalyze the reaction from LSA to LSI (just as potent as real LSD, only 1/10th) and it took off like wildfire cause it works, just google and you will find hundreds of enhanced trip reports way beyond LSA. Two mistakes people continued to make was they did not add the vinegar and they used HBWR seeds instead (big no no) as this forms a bad product from the ergometrine found in very high levels in the HBWR seeds  which causes bronchial vasoconstriction, this does not happen if you use MG seeds, as it has only trace amounts of ergometrine. MG seeds have hundreds of years of Shamanic use, and HBWR seeds only have history of medicinal use, I agree with Logical Chaos on the use of MG seeds only.
 
On page #11 of above link, I go into why peppermint works, example from one of the hundreds on the net:
 
Kash:
Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.
 
I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals.
 
Since I am a chemist, I have been able to order the actual "mystery aldehyde" that is found in peppermint that when it adducts onto LSA forms a new product with 1/10th the potency of real LSD, only needed to add 2 drops of this pure chemical to my mg extract, add a teaspoon of vinegar, and stir at high speed for 1 hour. Only 1mg of this new product I call LSI gave me same visuals as 100ug of Lsd, same euphoria, cev's of geometrics, stimulation, no different.
 
Anyhow, good luck with the coffee grinds Logical Chaos.
 
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Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide, LSI
 
The aldehyde in peppermint oil and leaf is Isovaleraldehyde otherwise known as 3-methylbutanal. If you are a business or researcher you can order it directly, there are also two places that sell direct to individuals, just google it. They delivered it straight to my door, one place starts with a "G******" All you need to add is two drops of this to your LSA sherry wine liquid extract as it spins on the stir mantel for 1 hour at high speed, also must add 1 teaspoon of either vinegar or apple cider vinegar (my preference), as the acetic acid in the vinegar is the catalyst for the condensation of the isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldehyde, see study above.
 
There is .01mg LSA in 100 seeds (.01 x 100 = 1mg LSA), just a 100 seed extract has effects very similar to 100ug of LSD, LSI is 1/10th the potency of LSD. Immense visual power with closed eye geometrics, wild colors, music sounds bad ass, divine healing power. I have prepared an extract with 200 seeds and the strength increases similar to 200ug of acid.
 
I have been tripping my ass off every 7 days or so taking this LSI liquid extract around 1 hour after a very small bridgesii tea prepared with only 450grams of bridgesii cactus chuncks from around the core (around 225mg mescaline), as I love the combo of cactus + LSD, this is no different. Yes, I have tried LSI many times without the cactus, super potent, highly recommend. I will be using LSI for the rest of my life.
 
This aldehyde is completely safe and has been administered in high does to rats with no ill effects. This aldehyde as you can see from paper makes up a substantial part of peppermint oil and leaf.
 
More on LSI:
 
Pic 1:
 
chemical formula for entry #16....3-aminopentane = CH(C2 H5)2
chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde is (CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO
 
Notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see pic #2 :eek:
 
diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.
 
Both the 3-aminopentane and the isovaleraldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.
 
The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.
 
Dr Nichols:
The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.
 
Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.
 
We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.
 
3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.
 
NotSheekle said:
Interesting read as always, At the 100-200 seed range are there any notable side effects? Whats the headspace like?
Thank you kindly NotSheekle, good to hear from you again. I will show a pic of my bottle of isovaleraldehyde once I transfer from my phone. The headspace is super deep just like LSD. No side effects at all.
 
How to make the zero nausea liquid morning glory extract with pics you will need for the aldehyde experiments: see post  #28180455 here in middle of page 11: https://www.shroomer...9/fpart/11/vc/1
 
See post #3 here on page 1 for two dozen morning glory trip reports: https://www.shroomer...Number/27850299
 
On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful.
 
drugs forum pic 2.JPG  drugs forum pic 1.JPG  Nichols chart.JPG  drugs forum pic 3.JPG

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Oral zero nausea HPBCD DMT Ayahuasca capsule, my psychedelic of choice: https://www.shroomer...Number/28189371
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Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD: https://www.shroomer...Number/28108398
Combo above is extremely visual & spiritual, energizing like mescaline, infinite beauty and music enhancement & super euphoric.

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Vecktor (advanced chemist like myself):

tregar, you have probably rediscovered something that has long been a curiosity, for example on the now defunct blacklight site there was TLC posted of morning glory seed extract treated with methanol, acetaldehyde-methanol or with acetaldehyde-methanol-water, the extract treated with acetaldehyde-methanol or acetaldehyde-methanol + ph=4 acidic water showed a clear difference in the alkaloid profile, with a shift to several new non polar spots which couldn't be identified. Very likely the LSA converted to LSH (LSA + acetaldehyde = LSH). IIRC Erhlichs was used to develop the plates so these were indole compounds.

 

As stated in 1961 Arcamone attached paper:
The LSA constituent of Claviceps paspali (same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory) forms LSH when submerged into fermented liquor (Arcamone, 1961) LSH is the chemical adduct formed from the reaction of LSA and acetaldehyde.

 

Page 8441, 1994 Austin: "Tryptophan analogues form adducts by reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone":
Reaction of Indole with Acetaldehyde: A 0.2% solution of indole in equal amounts of water, ethanol, and acetaldehyde formed a product with 60% yield after 1 hour of reaction at ambient temperature. Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect.
 
Decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to 0.1% increased the reaction rate and percent yield of product. See pic of the researchers's indole + acetaldehyde adduct product formed before (page 8439) and after (page 8441).
The researchers achieved a new adduct product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need water acidified to around ph=4 and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, and around a 3 hour soak time for 100% conversion.
 
Sherry wine fits the bill perfectly with it's high acetaldehyde content, and low ph, which is already at ph=4, just like the study calls for. The researchers stated "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction (indole adduct formation at the NH group)." It contains the perfect amount of acetaldehyde as well, in an alcoholic medium no less.

 

Interestingly, when a boy was found dead at the bottom of his apartment building (he fell out by accident, apparently this really does happen), they detected levels of LSH or Lysergic acid Hydroxyethylamide in his blood, and also his friend's urine and blood also had LSH who observed the death. They had both been drinking heavily and taking HBWR seeds that night. Acetaldehyde is in alcohol and may even form LSH from LSA in vitro in the liver when combined with LSA, there is no LSH naturally found in HBWR seeds, only morning glory seeds, we have no studies on this possible in vitro process but here is the actual toxicology study: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/20018470/ Cocaethylene also forms in the liver when combined with alcohol + cocaine, cocaethylene is not only very orally active but more potent than cocaine and works strongly for an hour and is the secret ingredient discovered finally in 1994 formed from the famous Vin Mariani coca wine (5mg cocaine per each coca leaf tea bag soaked per each 1 oz wine) famous with Thomas Edison, both Popes and countless singers and celebrities of the time it was legal:

https://en.wikipedia...ki/Cocaethylene
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Vin_Mariani

This is the paper that shows the alkaloid content of HBWR is vastly different from the alkaloid content of morning glory: Paulke A, Kremer C, Wunder C, Wurglics M, Schubert-Zsilavecz M, Toennes SW. Identification of legal highs—ergot alkaloid patterns in two Argyreia nervosa products. Forensic Sci Int. 2014;242:62–71.

No high levels of stimulating LSH, agroclavine, elymoclavine, chanoclavine, penniclavine found in HBWR seeds, only in morning glory seeds. A 2014 forensics paper from Paulke found no LSH in HBWR seeds, but only found LSA & iso-LSA (83-84%) & ergometrine (10-17%) & rest minimal: lysergol, elymoclavine & chanoclavine.

The researchers administered LSH to test subject in 2021, and recorded the radioligand binding data of the LSH to her brain: http://www.t3db.ca/toxins/T3D3687

Also, see Glasser A (January 1961). "Some pharmacological actions of LSH or D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide,". Nature. 189 (4761): 313–4. Bibcode: 1961, Nature.

Glasser in 1961 noticed animals became stimulated when injected with LSH. Dr. Glasser said some of the mice even stood on their hine legs and pressed on the noses of the mice in front of them, very peculiar.

LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide is also very chemically similar to LAE-32 in TIHKAL which at 1.6mg resulted in long lasting powerful LSD like effects. The combo of penniclavine + LSH, the 2 highest alkaloids in the seeds is what results in the ultra-powerful experience, and as we all know, 2 alkaloids are more powerful than just one.

Animal tests all point to LSH being an active psychedelic and it is indeed the closest thing to LSD found in nature, far closer than d-ergine. Owsley claims Hoffman himself told him that LAOH is very LSD-like.

It was Gröger who first discovered LSH in the seeds, published in his 1963 paper "Über das Vorkommen von Ergolinderivaten in Ipomoea-Arten". Later also Hofmann then extracted it from the seeds. It probably was in 1967, as Heim wrote in his work from August 1967 that Hofmann said he recently extracted it from the seeds (personal communication, as they knew each other very well).

LSD----------------------------------------CH2CH3-----CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C20 H25 N3 0)
LAE-32-----------------------------------------H------CH2CH3.....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 0)
d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide-----------H---------CHOHCH3....chemical formula (C18 H21 N3 02)
Penniclavine-----------------------------------------------------chemical formula (C16 H18 N2 O2)

fastandbulbous (chem wizard from bluelight):

Apparently N-(1-hydroxyethyl)lysergamide (LSH) is an adduct compound formed from lysergamide (lysergic acid amide, LSA/LAA, LA-111) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by the combination of lysergamide (LSA) & acetaldehyde under physiological conditions (ie a way to get much more & better psychedelic activity from any lysergamide extracted from seed sources).

 

Chemist Peter Webster who spoke at the LSD symposium:

LSH is a labile adduct of ergine (LSA) and acetaldehyde.

This is true LSH is unstable but will remain stable and not break down into LSA so long as it's in acidic solutions such as wine which is at ph=4.

Also, a lb of fresh seeds is dirt cheap from **** ******* on *mazon. They come in metallic zip lock bag, I keep them frozen at all times in freezer. See bottom of page 12 for how to use isovaleraldehyde to create LSI from LSA via condensation of isovaleraldehyde onto the LSA amide via catalytic catalyst acetic acid found in a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar, studies for this on page 12 as well = forming Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide, or you can view post #1 on page 1: https://www.shroomer...99/fpart/1/vc/1 A 25ml bottle of isovaleraldehyde goes for around the price of two movie tickets, you only need 2 drops. There are 20 drops in a ml, so 500 drops in 25ml bottle. Remember, only a couple places sell it to individuals (which is how I bought it), rest to places that have a business (not residential) address, you just have to really search.

I give instructions half way down page 11 here https://www.shroomer...9/fpart/11/vc/1 on how to create the zero nausea morning glory liquid extract (very easy) you will need for your aldehyde experiments, and also how to use two twinings peppermint tea bags along with 2 drops of pure peppermint oil in case you can't find or don't want to use pure isovaleraldehyde. See attached paper, isovaleraldehyde is in peppermint leaf.

The hymn to Demeter states the Kykeon was composed of barley, mint, and water. This was used to prepare a psychedelic brew that was able to feed hundreds of people (300+) all at once every September for 2,000 years at the sacred ceremony at Eleusis in Greece. All were able to become initiates including women and slaves. Claviceps paspali grows on paspalum distichum grass or even some types of barley in the famous Rarian field adjacent to Eleusis even present day and contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the Mesoamerican morning glory. Albert Hoffman even stated that this could likely have been the entheogen they used, and could have easily fed hundreds of people like clockwork every year. They also added fresh mint or peppermint leaf to the brew and stirred it for a while.

Do not get claviceps paspali ergot (orange colored) confused with claviceps purpurea ergot (black kernels) which causes gangrene and is poisonous.

Pepppermint leaf contains the aldehyde ISOVALERALDEHYDE or 3-METHYLBUTANAL which has the same molecular weight, and exact same number of 5 carbons and 11 hydrogens as 3-AMINOPENTANE which was discovered by Dr. Nichols (LSD scientist) that when coupled to Lysergic acid caused almost the exact same effects as LSD when administered to the rats compared to over a dozen compounds he tested, this one stood way out among all the others.

ISOVALERALDEHYDE will adduct onto the amide LSA via condensation reaction (all studies given), this aldehyde is way more potent than LSH which uses the aldehyde acetaldehyde, and way more potent than LSC which uses the aldehyde cinnamaldehyde (complete mess imho, I have no idea who came up with LSC, but it has nearly double the number of hydrogen and carbons as needed, and will not fit into the receptor site that LSD or LSI uses).

LSH or D-Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide uses acetaldehyde on the amide, acetaldehyde.......C2 H4 O
LSD uses diethylamine on the amide, diethylamine...................................C4 H11 N
chemical formula for entry #16 from Dr. Nichols uses....3-aminopentane...CH(C2 H5)2
chemical formula for isovaleraldehyde (used in LSI) is.............................(CH3)2 CH2 CH2 CHO

Also notice isovaleraldehyde even LOOKS EARILY similar to the tale end of psilocin with nearly the same exact chemical formula as the tale end of psilocin, see all pics on post #1, page 1.

diethylamine from LSD has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups with a molecular weight of 73 g/mol.

Both the 3-aminopentane and the aldehyde of this new discovery have 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehyde attaches to the H already at the amide of LSA) and BOTH have exact same molecular weights of 87 g/mol similar to diethylamine molecular weight of LSD at 73g/mol.

The 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols and this new aldehyde isovaleraldehyde discovery join at the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H still. This new aldehyde has same molecular weight as 3-aminopentane on the R1 substitute of LSA with R=H, see Dr. Nichol's paper on page 84, chart shown. This is one of only 2 entries in which the rats responded to it (3-aminopentane) as if they had been given LSD.

Dr Nichols:

The important thing to note from the table below, in the far right column, is the fact that LSD has a potency in rats in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 48 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight. Only two other compounds have comparable activity: entries 6 and 16.

Curiously, entry 6 is a monoalkylamide that has the same molecular weight as LSD itself, that is, it has a total of four carbon atoms attached to the amide. Entry 16 has a five-carbon group attached to the amide.

We have no evidence as to whether either of these compounds would be active in man, but these rat data suggest that they might be.

3-aminopentane has a potency in the drug discrimination behavioral assay of 52 nanomoles per kilogram of rat body weight, this is very similar to the 48 nanomoles per kg of rat body weight observed with LSD.

How to make the zero nausea liquid morning glory extract with pics you will need for the aldehyde experiments: see post #28180455 here in middle of page 11: https://www.shroomer...9/fpart/11/vc/1

See post #3 here on page 1 for two dozen morning glory trip reports: https://www.shroomer...Number/27850299

On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.

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Posted 01 April 2023 - 04:44 PM

 
On my latest 3.30.2023: 600 seed or 18g high dose morning glory wine extract prepared with isovaleraldehyde and 1 teaspoon apple cider vinegar as catalyst for the aldehyde condensation onto LSA to form LSI, saw 2 hours of dancing colored geometrics, thousands upon thousands they were so intricate for 2 hours which formed completely naked women goddesses at the intersections of the geometrics, mind blowing music enhancement and euphoria, very strong trip for 6 hours with 8 hour duration. One of the most prominent visual features is the seeing of colored energy fields or auras surrounding all objects just as itbebasidia reported, I see this every time the whole trip. Very powerful shimmering and glowing of everything as well, as if there is an intense divine light inside, very beautiful. Mentally: Deep healing head space.
 
Special Note #1: 69ron (not me but a friend of mine from long ago, I have no idea what happened to him, but do miss him) once had a thread https://www.dmt-nexu...?g=posts&t=5733 on forming a potent Lysergamide psychedelic from LSA + peppermint tea. In this thread, you will find at least 5 bad ass reports scattered throughout the 11 pages. Just be careful if using HBWR seeds, as I have mentioned before, there are high amounts of ergometrine in HBWR seeds which cause cramping, vasoconstriction, and even bronchial vasoconstriction when ergometrine (not LSA) is adducted with acetaldehyde and other aldehydes as you will find some reports of this in the thread. If you use HBWR, just keep your dose low. Stick with morning glory seeds if possible, as they contain only trace amounts of ergometrine, see page 11 of the shroomery thread in the middle with pics on how to make the zero nausea MG liquid wine extract to use for your experiments. I prefer to use the pure ISOVALERALDEHYDE chemical found in peppermint whenever I can. At the time 69ron suspected some other unidentified aldehyde in peppermint besides acetaldehyde was responsible for the strong trips, he was right. 
 
Special Note #2: Notice on the last pic, from the attached paper "Adduct formation of d-Lysergic Acid Amide or (LSA) and aldehydes.pdf" that many amides such as acetamide which is very much identical to LSA or Lysergic acid amide will form adducts readily with aldehydes such as cinnamaldehyde forming N,N'-cinnamylidenediacetamide (ref 6) even without a catalyst (this was even proven to happen back in 1938, see ref from Academy of India Science) however I prefer to use a chemical catalyst as stated in the study pic to the right to speed up and guarantee the formation of the adduct LSI product from LSA using ISOVALERALDEHYDE, I add at least 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar for the acetic acid catalyst (or you can use plain vinegar) to my 3 to 4 shot sherry wine spinning zero nausea morning glory extract containing around 600 seed's worth of alkaloids, this spins for around 1 hour on a thirty dollar stir mantel (see *mazon) for an experience similar to several hits of LSD, trip report above.
 
ISOVALERALDEHYDE boils off at 198 degree F so you don't have to worry about it evaporating off like acetaldehyde in wine does at 69 degree F, however you can spin all this on an ice bath on the stir mantel to keep the sherry wine's acetaldehyde from evaporating off, this way you will get a liquid extract in the end with a mixture of LSH + LSI. How much of each is anyone's guess. To make an ice bath, put your mg liquid extract jar in the middle of a bowl surrounded by ice cubes and place this on your stir mantel with a stir bar in the center of the jar, spin for 1 hour, then consume, see post in middle of page 11 for pics with easy directions: 1mg LSA + new LSI aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
 
If you want only LSI (my preference) then spin the liquid sherry mg extract along with the 1 to 2 teaspoon apple cider vinegar or regular vinegar with the 2 plus drops of isovaleraldehyde (depending on how much LSA you extracted) AT ROOM TEMP (>70 degree F) so the acetaldehyde in the wine will evaporate off as it stirs on the stir mantel for 1 hour, but the isovaleraldehyde will remain in solution forming LSI. Note: DO NOT ATTEMP to extract your morning glory seeds with water instead of wine or you will get a giant emulsion which will not separate, in other words you won't get a liquid to use (to decant) above the seed debris you don't want that forms a 1/2" layer at the bottom, just like the pics on page 11. 
 
If you don't have the pure ISOVALERALDEHYDE chemical, to make the peppermint tea: heat up 4oz water in microwave to around 150 to 175 degree F. DO NOT HEAT TO BOILING, or the isovaleraldehyde in the tea will boil off or evaporate as this happens at 198 degree F. Add 2 twinings brand peppermint tea bags, let this soak and cool down in fridge for a while, then add this when cool along with 2 drops of peppermint oil to your morning glory liquid extract. Then spin all of this together for 1 hour, then consume.
 
Do not use the cheap grocery store peppermint alcohol extract, instead buy real Peppermint oil max dosage: Adults: 0.2 to 0.4 mL (4 drops to 8 drops max for adults, DO NOT EXCEED, see last pic): https://www.aafp.org...0401/p1027.html
 
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Edited by tregar, 01 April 2023 - 08:38 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2023 - 09:32 AM

Greetings, I've been a member of this forum for 4 or 5 years but I don't talk much on here . I've been excited since I seen your posts a couple yrs ago . I love psychedelics and extractions... just this year I got into MHRB extractions ( every tek I could find I tried).
psychedelics are scarce where I live . I was lucky enouph to have an lsd supplier for 20 years but he dried up about 5 yrs ago and thats when I started growing cubes. Motning glories I've heard about my whole life but wasnt interested in all the negative side effects I heard about just for a weak trip. But since your posts I've gotten excited about it. If you dont mind and if you have time id like to ask a few qyestions :

1 psychedelics are hard to come by where I live. I've tried growing mgs the last 2 summers but the only place I have to grow is in the shade most of the day and both summers I just ended up with vines that took over my house and barely had any flowers ...well I just recently came across 8 oz of what is supposed to be fresh seeds.The place i ordered the seeds is the same place I get my root bark and theyve not let me down yet . Is there a way to tell how fresh the seeds are?

I dont know if or when ill be able to get more so i reaally dont want to screw this up . So please forgive if my questions are stupid or have already been answered. Ive read your docs over and over but thats alot of info for my inferior brain to process.

2 I plan on dividing the seeds and doing several extractions just to experiment and play, but if i decided to do all 8 oz at once would I increase everything by 8? ingredients and sittting and stir times?

3 ..I have the seeds , wine preserver gas, sherry, lab grade DL- tartriac acid , everclear, flasks , funnels , ph meter, mag stirrer, etc...but i dont know your secret aldehyde...
is it worth doing tge extraction without the aldehyde? or should I wait until you reveal it to do it ? Like I said I dont know if ill be able to come across this many seeds again so I want to do it right..if I have to wait i will.

4. if i did do all 8 at once that would be alot of liquid , how long could I store it for? if i sprsyed the wine preserve gas in the extraction jar would it preserve it longer?

5. Ive done lsd at least 100 or 2 times ....I used to have a source for pure mescaline powder anf ive done tons of it ..ive beeen growing cubes for a few years and i do those weekly ...Ive done dmt probly 50 to 100 times this year. I believe i have an above average tolerance. my question is : I noticed you like to mix in cactus , lsd , and THH with your extract is that because the extract doesnt get yoy there by itself?I dont really have access to the 3 things you take with your extract ...so could a person,like I , who is used to doing psychedelics get a good trip off the extract alone? I see where yoy said 500 seeds is equal to 2 hits of lsd x2... but then u mix it with other psychs . So i kinda wondered if the extract is wortg it ( Im doing it regardless ).

6. If you were in my position with everything I have and nothing more how would you do these 8oZ of seeds i have?

7. I heard something about mixing curcumin with black
pepper with your extraction, Is that something that makes sense?

I have more questions but i feel like Ive made this post long enouph...ill first wait to see if ypu respond.
I apologize for the typos and lower cased i's ..like i said i dont type on here much .
i appreciate you sharing all this info ...it must have taking hours ( days , weeks , months , possibly years?) to type all that . Thanks. My simple mind is honored to be able to have a discussion with someone who is far more superior at chemistry.I wish i had something in return.

ok another question: I have a magnetic stirrer but i cant really pit it in an ice bath ...without knowing your aldehyde do i even need the stirrer? also when i do stir do i have to drink the extract immediatly or can i save it for later? or do i have to do the stir everytime before i drink it ?
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 11:26 AM

I'm sorry if it's rude of me to ask all these questions, I don't mean to be...just genuine interest and curiosity, but 2 more before I forget:

I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that morning glory sprouts are as effective as the seeds.Is that bs or real? Have you experimented with them?

ok,coincidentally, I just happened to come across 60 grams of peruvian torch,cracker dry.The only way I've ever done mescaline was in pure(as far as i know it was pure or close to it) powder form.So no idea how much is in this cactus or how much of it to take. Should I try to do an extraction with it so I know how much I'm doing? (of course my mind is screaming "just eat it all")Is it even worth extracting with just 60grams ? I know that is a little off topic but I got a feeling if anyone would know its you
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Posted 18 April 2023 - 01:10 PM

How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide at home from LSA in morning glory seeds, ancient LSD

 

Opendoors said:

I have a magnetic stirrer but i cant really pit it in an ice bath ...without knowing your aldehyde do i even need the stirrer? also when i do stir do i have to drink the extract immediatly or can i save it for later? or do i have to do the stir everytime before i drink it ?


Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide or LSI:

Good morning opendoors. You can order the special aldehyde which is Isovaleraldehyde for around the price of two movie tickets for a 25ml bottle. There are 20 drops in a ml, so 500 drops in 25ml bottle. You only need 2 drops. This small bottle can last you a lifetime of trips. You only need to spin in ONCE for 1 hour to form the amide adduct, then drink it or store it away in fridge or freezer to drink later (days, weeks, or months). Remember, only a couple places sell it to individuals (which is how I bought it), rest to places that have a business (not residential) address, you just have to really search, but yes it is available to individuals. Hint: google 25ml bottle isovaleraldehyde. One of the places is ********. This aldehyde allows you to get real LSD like effects finally from morning glory seeds. I will post a picture of my bottle of isovaleraldehyde in 2 weeks, I can't post it now as I am out of town for 2 weeks.

If you don't have a magnetic stirrer, you can buy one for less than fifty bucks on *mazon or similar. Anyone can make an ice bath, to make one you simply put a bowl of ice on your stirrer, place your 3 to 3.5 shot cold sherry wine zero nausea morning glory extract 1/2 pint jar in the middle of the bowl, drop a magnetic stir rod into your mg liquid, add 1 to 2 teaspoons of apple cider vinegar to the liquid (catalyst for the chemical condensation of isovaleraldhyde onto LSA amide) along with 2 drops of isovaleraldehyde. Spin at high speed for 1 hour. Isovaleraldehyde boils off at 198 degree F, so you really don't need an ice bath, but the acetaldehyde in sherry wine boils off at 70 degree F. So if you want to make LSH, you need the ice bath, if you only want to make LSI or Lysergic acid Isovaleraldemide (my preference) you don't need the ice bath. If you want a combination of LSH and LSI, then use the ice bath.

This LSI really works, I've tripped my ass off every 2 weeks already with it several times, this LSI gives me 6 strong hours out of it compared to my Ayahuasca which gives me only 1.5 hour strong experience. I tend to alternate between the LSI and Ayahuasca on some weeks however when I feel like it.

Yes, you can place your LSI tea into fridge to keep for 1 to 2 weeks, or place into freezer and it will keep forever, simply defrost it in fridge the day before you want to drink it.

This page 11 shows you how to make the zero nausea morning glory extract you will need for the aldehyde experiments (go midway down page 11 where you see the pics): 1mg LSA + new LSI aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
 

I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that morning glory sprouts are as effective as the seeds.Is that bs or real? Have you experimented with them?


I don't get any effects from mg sprouts. I only use the seeds as this is what is traditional and proven to work. The sprouts will not have the developed LSA amides you need.

On your cactus question, I used to spend years extracting mescaline from cactus, now I just deskin and boil bridesii cactus chunks from around the core, boil for 45 minutes, strain water and chunks thru a strainer, then reduce the water down to however much you want (I prefer a 6oz liquid) then pour water off into 1/2 pint jars, place into fridge, after 2 days, there will be a 1/4" layer of green sludge at the bottom, simply decant off the liquid above the sludge and drink that for an awesome time, zero nausea, the fridge does all the work of taking out the nauseating particles. I love to combine cactus tea with my LSI....I take the cactus tea first, then 1 hour later drink the LSI, as I've always loved the combo of LSD + cactus tea. Always take in that order only.

pic: I will post my bottle of isovaleraldehyde when I am back in town 2 weeks from now. But this is the aldehyde that will give you real LSD like effects and stimulation, 2 drops is all you need. Isovalderaldehyde has nearly the exact same chemical formula as the tail end of DMT or psilocin: CHO CH2 CH2 2(CH3), and nearly the same molecular weight 87g/mol as LSD's diethylamine at 73 g/mol. Both isovaleraldehyde from the Greece Eleusis kykeon peppermint and 3-aminopentane from Dr. Nichols have exactly 5 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups (once the aldehye attaches to one of the H already at the amide of LSA). Very similar to LSD's diethylamine which has 4 carbon groups and 11 hydrogen groups. See post above with the pics and study from LSD scientist Dr. Nichols as to why Rats respond to this number of carbons and hydrogens on the LSA amide as if it is real LSD.

 

This is ANCIENT LSD, it was hypothesized to form from ground claviceps paspali ergot which grows on paspalum distichum grass in the famous Rarian plane adjacent to Eleusis (same safe alkaloid profile as Mesoamerican morning glory high in LSA) that is mixed with a handful or large amount of fresh peppermint leaves for a while in wine. This could very well be the famous Kykeon psychedelic brew, formula kept secret for 2,000 years by the priests, able to easily feed over 300 hundred people (new initiates) like clockwork every Sept. LSA --> potent LSI, it is indeed possible and works extremely well. 

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Posted 19 April 2023 - 06:35 PM

Thank you for your response tregar. Now I see where you posted about the aldehyde. Man you got so much info here when I read through it it is hard to tell what I've read already and what I haven't. It repeats itself a few times and that was kind of messing me up.

Anyway Ive tried ordering the isovaleraldehyde without much luck , one place allowed it but for some reason my order won't go through ...so im going with peppermint oil.

From my understanding you are saying peppermint oil is just as good as using the pure aldehyde? Will essential peppermint work for that?

another question: From what I read I haven't seen you mention adjusting the ingredients for different quantities of seed when doing your tek.... is this a 5 or 6 hundred seed tek or if i wanted to do 1000 to 1200 seed batch would I double everything ; 4 drops peppermint , 60 mg of DL-tartaric, etc ...?

I don't know how fresh my seeds are the supplier claimed they were fresh , it's the same supplier I get my MHRB from and they' ve never done me wrong on that but I've never bought seeds before ....I cannot find the section now where you basically said, from my understanding forgive me if I'm wrong, that with your tek it didnt matter if the seeds were a little old because it all would be converted back ...did i understand that right ? If that's so that alone is pretty amazing .

Thank you again ...I hope I'm not bothering you with all my questions ....please forgive my typos and my grammer
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Posted 19 April 2023 - 08:49 PM

Nice seeing you still active, Tregar.



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Posted 21 April 2023 - 12:18 PM

Tregar, hello again, just a quick question this time: How necessary is the magnetic stirrer? I have everything to do this exactly as you described it but I don't know what I did with my stirrer. I ordered another but the shipping is over a week away.

So if I wanted to a test run 3 or 400 seeds. Could I just shake it for an hour?

Thanks in advance, I'm ready to do this and report back the results but this stirrer got me held up

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 11:02 AM

Tregar, hello again, just a quick question this time: How necessary is the magnetic stirrer? I have everything to do this exactly as you described it but I don't know what I did with my stirrer. I ordered another but the shipping is over a week away.

So if I wanted to a test run 3 or 400 seeds. Could I just shake it for an hour?

Thanks in advance, I'm ready to do this and report back the results but this stirrer got me held up


does anyone know ?

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Posted 22 April 2023 - 01:58 PM

you can often get a mag stir , for  about $20 to $40 .. on Amazon


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