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[spacecake]

I'm working on some Azurescens and Psilocybe subaeruginosa.
It's is going far beond my expectations !!!! (grow log soon)
But I have no experiance with the last one !?
Has someone got experiance with this Mushroom ?

[insight]

Heres a few links I found. Good Luck.

http://www.mushroomj...aeruginosa1.htm
http://www.sixthseal.com/000523.html
http://www.shaman-au...baeruginosa.htm

[spacecake]

This is what I was looking for !
Many thanks Insight !

[insight]

No Problem. Good luck!

[waylitjim]

Ps.Subaeruginosa is quite closely related to Ps.Cyanescens and can resemble both Azurescens and Cyanescens macroscopically. Ps.Australiana is synonymous with Ps.Subaeruginosa - they are one and the same. If your not sure, check the cystidia on that mushroom and they will be hyaline. Ps.Eucalypta is so similar to Subaeruginosa, that its delineation pointless.

Since Ps.Australiana and Ps.Subaeruginosa have now been demonstrated to be the same mushroom I would suggest soaking eucalypta chips, but pine wood chips and bark should work okay. They will fruit off pinebark alone. Mix up some jars of pine bark, verm and a bit of rye flour to speed things up, innoculate with an agar wedge, then when fully colonised, use this to spawn larger quantaties of eucalypta, pine and other assorted woods - alder and other hardwoods dont seem to support fruiting however.

Ive had great success in transplanting colonised woodchips into a mixture of unsterilised sawdust, pine chips and wet cardboard mixed with wet verm. After about two months the substrate colonises all the areas that are not exposed to direct light and pins begin to form. Place outside and cover it with a layer of verm.

Subaeruginosa is reported to fruit directly off manure mixed with wood chips. Im sure it would work, but I dont think it would provide anything that would inprove fruiting. Subearuginosa spread to many areas of Australia via manure.

A far as potency goes, there is little or noticable difference between Ps.azurescens, Ps.cyanescens and Ps.subaeruginosa - dont believe everything you read.

I have bioassayed Ps.cubensis, Panaeolus cyanescens, Ps.semilanceata, Ps.baeocystis Ps.subaeruginosa, Ps.eucalypta, Ps.cyanescens, Ps.azurescens, Ps.Mexicanna

I can tell you straight away that woodlovers are the most potent mushrooms.
I found that Ps.azurescens, Ps.subaeruginosa, Ps.eucalypta and Ps.cyanescens were all very similar in terms of the amount required to achieve a high level experience, but that the experience yielded generally was unpleasant at high doses.

P. semilanceata give a very rich and full high. Their potency is strong, about the same as wood lovers. I find these to be desireable characteristics for a good psychedelic mushroom.

Both cyanescens and azurescens give me muscle problems even when taken in 1.5 gram doses. I find the muscle problems to be highly unproportional to the actual psychedelic high. My vision becomes blurred for the same muscle related reasons, which is not pleasant for me.

This may be a personal problem as I usually eat larger doses to obtain the high I like. I have tripped with people who eat a fraction of what I eat and apparently reach their comfort level. Perhaps these muscle problems would not be present when eating the .5 gram or .25 g doses.

I am fairly confident that it is not the baeocystin present in the shrooms that causes this either. Cyans have a very low maximum baeocystin content, azures and semis both have a very high maximum...therefor there is not a correlation between the species that I can see.

I think there is another chemical present in azures and cyans that effects muscles directly...not in a psychoactive manner. I found Subaeruginosa to be the most visual and the least body harming and of the woodlovers, subaeruginosa is the nicest and probably the most potent in my opinion. Its interesting when you consider that most users of Ps.aucklandii in New Zealand say that it's atleast twice as potent as subaeruginosa.

Just because woodlovers are the most potent mushrooms does not automatically make them the most enlightening. I prefer semilanceata - it was my first mushroom and it was by far the least disconcerting at high doses - and the visuals and experiences were beyond description. I also enjoy Panaeolus cyanescens - always fun and again they are easy on my body - when compared to woodlovers.

If i were to make a list as far as potency goes - it would be something like this:
I have ingested the species in my list.
From most to least potent IMO

1. P. azurescens/cyanescens/subaeruginosa
2. P. semilanceata
3. P. weilii
4. P. cubensis
5. Pan. subbalteatus

From most to least -measuring the psychedelic quality of a trip.
(A quality trip for me takes into account my mind trip, body trip, and any side effects.)

1. P. semilanceata
2. P. weilii/P. cubensis
3. Pan. subbalteatus
4. P. cyanescens
5. P. azurescens

Thanks to Joshua and bluemeanie for knowledge.
Here you can compare Azurescens to Subaeruginosa

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[spacecake]

Wow !!! nice info there Waxlitjim !

Semilanceata at the top ??? in my opinion..if you use them alot they turn out nasty on you !
They sure are great when using moderate !

[insight]

Holy Crap! Awesome info Waylit!

[nomoreusmc]

way to got strangeland! do all wood lovers take as long as azures? I've read azures can take up to a year to fruit.

[waylitjim]

quote "I've read azures can take up to a year to fruit."

No,the woodloving family does not take a yr to fruit....LOL...

What you may mean is that woodlovers often only fruit a few months out of the year. They are seasonal mushrooms, found native in the Pacific N.W down to San Francisco.

Habit & Habitat: Cespitose to gregarious on deciduous wood-chips and/or in sandy soils rich in lignicolous debris. Aspect collyboid, generating an extensive, dense and tenacious mycelial mat, Psilocybe Cyanescens causes the whitening of wood. Fruitings begin in late September and continue until harsh frost, usually mid-November.

Some suitable tree species:
beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , spruce, douglas fir, sweet gum, sycamore ...

[jestah]

Hi

My friend Mrs. Alpacka is going to try to take some outdoor prints from local Sub. patch and then get them going indoors. She would like some tips before she starts.

Can you get clean prints from the wild or is it best to go to agar and then transfer a few times to be safe?

What is the best method? Standard PF cake spawned to hardwould chip and cardboard? then use the to spawn to larger tray of forest matter and then case? Good incubation temps ? She has seen 19c worked for space cake but can you go hotter?

Any one have any idea how cold they need to get to pin? Spacecake used 10c but they tend to pop up in the wild after a good frost so could colder work? Or may her best bet be to make a bulk tray then put it outside when its time to pin?

thanks
jestah

[max]

No reason why you can't get a clean print from the wild, afterall, they seem to grow ok outside! My easy method to take a wildcraft print without even having to touch the mushroom is to have a notched-paper/foil/whatever. Fit this onto the stalk under the cap and cover with a bowl overnight. As long as everything is handled properly, it should be fine the next day.

It's a dung-lover, no wood needed. Straw would work fine. Prolly grow out just fine using cub parameters.

[Workman]

It's a dung-lover, no wood needed. Straw would work fine. Prolly grow out just fine using cub parameters.
03-18-06 17:05

I think captainmax is confusing the wood-lover Psilocybe subaeruginosa with the dung-lover Panaeolus subbalteatus.

Outdoor prints are suprisingly clean if taken from healthy unblemished specimens. Avoid those that are ragged with age and decay, waterlogged or infested with insects.

You should be able to incubate at around 24C (75F) with no problems. Pinning should occur if the substrate is fully colonized and the temperature drops to around 10C (50F) for a week or so. You can go a bit cooler but things will be very slow. You can raise the temperature to around 19C (65F) once pinning is well underway.

As a wild strain it may not fruit indoors easily or at all. When trying a new species from the wild, try to collect as many different strains from as many different places as possible since each strain reacts differently under cultivation. I have had good luck fruiting wild strains that I have found fruiting out of season. Mushrooms that insist on fruiting in extreme conditions are good candidates for indoor cultivation.

[Lazlo]

I hope you don't mind that I edited your thread title a bit Jestah.

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[jestah]

Hi

Thanks S. Alpacka is stoked to get some solid info as she was feeling rather in the dark about the whole thing.

She will try to get as many prints as she can from a few different patches to get the best chance for fruit.

If she gets a print that then goes on to fruit will its spores also be good fruiters or its back to hit and miss?

She has also had a few failed attempts lately at getting a decent print from here GT. She tryed foil for the first time and found it just kept the moisture from the fruit on the print. She then tryed paper ... only to find it was soggy and very little spores after 24 hours. Should she add a little damp rid to her glove box to help things stay dry? She also considered making a wire rack that could be PCed then used to suspend the cap off the foil?

Thanks for making the title a little more accurate

Thanks
jestah

[max]

Right-0, I got the two confused...it's a woodlover!

I take foil over paper for prints, just leave it sit for a while, any moisture will quickly dry off.

[Hippie3]

Heres a few links I found. Good Luck.
http://www.mushroomj...aeruginosa1.htm

Cap: 1.5-5 cm. broad. Conic to convex expanding to broadly convex with a slight umbo. Stranslucent and striate when moist. Hygrophanous fading in drying to a pallid brown to a dingy white.

Gills:Adnate to annexed. separate from stem. Smokey-brown to purplish-brown.

Stem:50-125 mm long by 2-5 mm thick. Slightly swollen at base. Hollow and adorned with white fibrils.

Spores:13-15 by 6.6-7.7 microns.

Sporeprint:Purplish-brown.

Habitat:Solitary to gregarious in complex habitats such as soils rich in woody debris, decaying piles of leaves and twigs, sandy woody soils, gardens and amongst bark chips from pine (Pinus radiata).

Distribution:Australia and New Zealand

Season:May through August

Dosage:1 to 3 small mushrooms or one large mushrooms fresh. Dried 1 gram.

Comment:This species is macroscopically close to Psilocybe azurescens but without the definite umbo of P. azurescens. Also very close macroscopically to P. aucklandii, P. australiana and P. eucalypta.

A special Thanks to Clive Shirley for the use of his three photographs of Psilocybe subaeruginoa. His web-site can be viewed at hiddenforest.co.nz

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[Hippie3]

Heres a few links I found...
http://www.shaman-au...baeruginosa.htm

Psilocybe subaeruginosa (Cleland 1927)
(Copper Tops, Subs)
Potency: medium to high.
Habititat: Psilocybe subaeruginosa is a lignious species, found on wood debris, pine mulch, eucalyptus mulch and has been reported in kangaroo and cow manure. Reported from Western, South Australia, Victoria, Tasmania and NSW in Australia and also in New Zealand.
Description: A large species with a dark brown hydrophanous cap, strong umbo and a hollow, white stem. It has very crowded gills that ascend towards the stem and are quickly chocolate brown in colour. Cap and stem stain strongly blue. The cap can often be uplifted at maturity, but tends toward being inrolled at the margin throughout most of its development. The Stem is often covered with fine greyish brown streaks - indicative of this mushroom and Psilocybe australiana. The bluing reaction tends to vary from location, with South Australian specimens demonstrating considerable blue-staining, even of mycelia (Reville 2002). Main indicators are the hollow stems, dark brown cap colour and ascending gills - all of which have been noted in Victorian varieties of Psilocybe subaeruginosa variant australiana. (Kata, James 2002)
Microscopic Features: In Victoria this mushroom is identical to Guzman's Psilocybe australiana with lageniform to leychniform hyaline pleurocystidia, 4-spored basidia (Teonan, James, Kata, Workman 2002) and a spore size around 11-15, by 6-9 (Reville 2002). Spores purple brown. Type Specimens from South Australia and NSW tend between lageniform to Ventricose-Rostrate P.cystidia. Importantly, cystidia are always hyaline.
Taxonomy Information: Originally described by Cleland from specimens in South Australia, there has been much contention regarding this species. Many Australian mycologists regard all Australian natives - Psilocybe eucalypta, Psilocybe australiana and Psilocybe tasmaniana as Psilocybe subaeruginosa. Guzman (1978 and 199?) attempted to delineate these from Psilocybe subaeruginosa by highlighting his findings from Cleland's original specimens of pigmented or brown pleurocystidia. Examination of these original specimens by Buchanan (1995) as well as examination of current specimens from South Australia indicate that this mushroom does not have pigmented pluerocystidia, but hyaline - making it quite similar to Psilocybe australiana. Buchanan indicated that he examined around 7 of the 11 available type-specimens of Psilocybe subaeruginosa from Cleland's finds and all were consistant with Guzman's Psilocybe australiana. Cleland infact identified the Victorian Psilocybe australiana as Psilocybe subaeruginosa.
Also Guzman and Watling's original type specimens of australiana and eucalypta had overlapping microscopic characteristics, which places doubts on his delineation which was based almost purely on these differences. Kata (2002) and Buchanan (1996)
Spore compatibility and isozyme protein analysis by Chang and Mills (1993) and James (2003) as well as thorough examinations of type-specimens by Buchanan (1996) and Teonan, James and Kata (2002) have demonstrated that the microscopic variations used by Guzman to delineate these into seperate entities - with the exception of Tasmaniana - only represent two extremes of a range of characteristics, and are not consistant with macroscopic differences.
Therefore subaeruginosa correctly includes the misnomers Ps.australiana and Ps.eucalypta., a member of the Ps.cyanescens family and almost certainly an expression of this original species.

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[Hippie3]

Some suitable tree species:
beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , spruce, douglas fir, sweet gum, sycamore .

[Workman]

Hi


If she gets a print that then goes on to fruit will its spores also be good fruiters or its back to hit and miss?

jestah

If you get spores from a good fruiter the offspring will generally also fruit well. If you keep selecting the best fruiter for a few generations, the strain should become stable with less and less variation from multispore cultures.

[spacecake]

Hi guys..!

I'm gonne try the subaeruginosa's and Azurescens again ,..this time I will colonize them indoors,but will let them pin outdoors in some kind of bin or something like that !

I have one jar of fully colonized myc. ready,but heaven't yet found some 'fresh' hardwood chips...
I have some hardwood chips from a store,but I'm doing some experiments with them first, with some azure myc. that got contaminated.
It's not going so fast,so I'm on the look for some fresh hardwood !

The first pictures is the Subaruginosa myc. in the jar,..see how thick the myc. is !
The jar is a standard brf jar.
The cardboard is the Azurescens,it has some strange thin long hairs on it,..seems to be myc network.

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