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Posted 09 October 2006 - 10:19 PM

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 08:18 AM

Very nice! How do you prep your corn? Do you add gypsum?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 08:27 AM

:cool:
strain using ?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 11:57 AM

Corn is just straight corn, no gypsum... I dont have problems with water content..... I have seen people use verm in their jars as well as gypsum and have never quite understoond why other then water content issues.

From my experience you really need to dry the hell out of the corn, I lay it all out on bath towels and roll it around in the towels before I rpessure cook, Ill also let it sit there for an hour or so.... I guess maybe im just lucky?

I have a few strains going right now hip, currently KSS, OAX, AMZ, PF Stropharia, PESA, Cambo's, Some Redboy's.... A few others.


Im wondering if I should continue casing with a coir/verm mix....

or maybe I should just skip the casing layer and just fruit them as is

anyone wanna chime in?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 11:59 AM

With straw and a good performing strain I have found casing layers to be unecessary. I get great flushes without one but I do dunk inbetween each flush. No casing makes for very clean shrooms once harvested. Just my 2 cents...others will likely disagree.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 12:06 PM

Yes i have heard people argue that uncased straw/poop or uncased straw in general may fruit poorly.

However I do agree with you that it does perform well.... I have had great success with straw logs however now I am trying tubs.... So from your point of view I should have no problems doing this from a shoebox sized tub?



just curious because with straw logs i do recall the plastic acted as a sort of casing layer in essence holding moisture in while allowing the log to breathe.....

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 12:28 PM

i'd case with coir/verm, better pinset, imho

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:03 PM

would u suggest i case at spawn time? or wait till full colinization and then case?

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:29 PM

since coir can overlay
i'd wait

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 01:42 PM

Yep, if your gonna case wait until substrate is fully colonized.

As for the casing layer itself, I have had great flushes even up into the third flush without a casing layer, but I was using a great fruiter isolated via cloning. You will most likely have a better pinset with a casing layer if you are going multi-spore.

BTW, time to actual fruit is quicker.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 02:08 PM

Oh shit, I did forget to add that when I use straw I do the rez effect tek. I add vermiculite at a 25% rate so that will definitely hold more water and produce a better pinning environment.

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Posted 10 October 2006 - 03:53 PM

"BTW, time to actual fruit is quicker." Which way is quicker? cased or uncased? Is it the extra moisture a casing layer holds that promotes better pinning and fruiting? any difference in yields?

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 07:41 AM

it's a complex interplay but the extra water, air and structure seems to help the mycellia form more pins in a flush. not required with cubies but generally still worthwhile, about the only reason NOT to case is a slightly lower risk of contamination, but still no guaranty of course.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 08:51 AM

interesting.... i wonder if the verm mix in straw could be applied to straw logs... My experince with straw logs has been great however the pinset and the logs drying out too quick has always been a factor... maybe this would help...

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 08:59 AM

Yes! Verm can be applied to straw logs. Just add it at about a 25% rate to the straw, pasteurize it all together, and make the log the same way.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 10:41 AM

Yes! Verm can be applied to straw logs. Just add it at about a 25% rate to the straw, pasteurize it all together, and make the log the same way.



Ive read alss somewhere others have added poop, any experience with this?

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 10:48 AM

sure it can be done very effectively. I would only add enough to coat the straw other wise you will get some uneven distribution and clumping.

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Posted 11 October 2006 - 11:05 AM

yeah thjats what I thought...

I am not too keen on all the maintenence that is having to go into casings at this point, and recall how efortless straw logs were


thanks for all the good input!

ill post some more stuff here as it happens

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 11:22 AM

update ?

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Posted 31 October 2006 - 11:37 AM

hey hip your package went out yesterday :)


i didnt get any pics of the fruits, for this thread :(

sorry folks, however ive posted a new thread that I will have plenty of pics of the final results.

The results here were good however in the future I will stick with logs and bags when using straw/poop, there were some small contam problems..




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